List Mgmt. Adelaide Crows 2021 List Management thread

[Mutineer]

I don't know if fitness is McAdams issue, it's more he's as one way as it gets.

Really, I'd be surprised if McAdam beats out Gollant in 2022, and he's on our list in 2023 at this point.

McAdam and Gollant are very, very different footballers.

And actually McAdam most definitely wasn't one way when we drafted him if you'd watched any of his games at Sturt, the opposite actually, his defensive pressure, 2nd efforts and chase downs were a feature of his play.

People talk about Burgess coming on board as being the panacea for James Rowe, my thinking is it will be even more critical for Shane McAdam who looked gassed after minimal effort at times this year.

 

[Golumless]

McAdam and Gollant are very, very different footballers.

And actually McAdam most definitely wasn't one way when we drafted him if you'd watched any of his games at Sturt, the opposite actually, his defensive pressure, 2nd efforts and chase downs were a feature of his play.

People talk about Burgess coming on board as being the panacea for James Rowe, my thinking is it will be even more critical for Shane McAdam who looked gassed after minimal effort at times last year.

They're different, but ultimately, they're competing for the same spot at the moment. That floating mid/3rd tall role. McAdam might be able to double up as a small forward, but that looks very unlikely at this point.

After all, he's been as one way as it gets since breaking through the AFL squad which more relevant than what he was doing at Sturt.

 

[Mutineer]

They're different, but ultimately, they're competing for the same spot at the moment. That floating mid/3rd tall role. McAdam might be able to double up as a small forward, but that looks very unlikely at this point.

After all, he's been as one way as it gets since breaking through the AFL squad which more relevant than what he was doing at Sturt.

Not IMO, McAdam is our best small forward by a fair margin when on song, none of others offer close to the speed, agility and raw X factor he has in his kit bag for that small forward role, getting to play to his full potential is the key.

 

[triggyscrewedus]

Rowe cops it a bit but he is a good footballer and is smart around traffic.
His challenge is to get really fit and find some grunt.

I'm totally baffled why Murphy is even on the list!
He is messy and has shit house skills.

 

[triggyscrewedus]

McAdam and Gollant are very, very different footballers.

And actually McAdam most definitely wasn't one way when we drafted him if you'd watched any of his games at Sturt, the opposite actually, his defensive pressure, 2nd efforts and chase downs were a feature of his play.

People talk about Burgess coming on board as being the panacea for James Rowe, my thinking is it will be even more critical for Shane McAdam who looked gassed after minimal effort at times last year.

McAdam is that guy at work that does fk all all day then does something minimal and thinks he's held the team up for the week.
He needs a man conversation.

 

[Crowked]

Say what?, exactly how much of Mitch Hinge's play have you actually watched?

Can’t be much. He’s played 4 games in 4 years.

Doesn’t matter how he plays if he can’t get on the park. I wouldn’t be putting too much faith in Hinge being a long term player for us.

Having said that, Leinert isn’t the answer to any problem we might have. He’s an average player and ageing at 27.

 

[Crowked]

McAdam is that guy at work that does fk all all day then does something minimal and thinks he's held the team up for the week.
He needs a man conversation.

Have to agree. He’s a lazy player. I can’t see him being a long term player if he doesn’t improve him work ethic. He’s just scratching the surface of what he could be. I’d say stick him in the SANFL until he improves his work rate, but I suspect he’d just cruise around there collecting his pay cheque, getting by with minimum effort until we delist him. Not sure if he’d respond to the man conversation either.

 

[rabidcrow]

Have to agree. He’s a lazy player. I can’t see him being a long term player if he doesn’t improve him work ethic. He’s just scratching the surface of what he could be. I’d say stick him in the SANFL until he improves his work rate, but I suspect he’d just cruise around there collecting his pay cheque, getting by with minimum effort until we delist him. Not sure if he’d respond to the man conversation either.

Still managed 25 goals from 15 games. Hopefully Burgess gets a hold of him and they drive him to be his best. Could be a 40 goal forward next year


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[Bearded Clam]

Be a nice pick up with

Not going to cost anymore than a 1 year rookie contract to find out....

We get woodcock and it would be Murphy’s spot that he takes..

Rowe has more upside than murphy.. Rowe just needs to get “AFL fit”… Rowe is currently “SANFL fit”..

 

[Danger in Texas]

Be a nice pick up with

Not going to cost anymore than a 1 year rookie contract to find out....

Depends if anyone worthwhile gets through the main draft, we’ve been good at finding rookie gems in the past. But if it’s as a rookie, why not I guess (to be fair I would be fine picking up quite a few DFAs as a rookie)

 

[Danger in Texas]

We get woodcock and it would be Murphy’s spot that he takes..

Rowe has more upside than murphy.. Rowe just needs to get “AFL fit”… Rowe is currently “SANFL fit”..

More upside than Murphy as a forward, anyway... I get the feeling Murph could be quite alright as a defender

 

[Bearded Clam]

More upside than Murphy as a forward, anyway... I get the feeling Murph could be quite alright as a defender

Murphy is way better coming off half back or even playing in the midfield.. problem is we are already stacked with players like him in these positions.

 

[Danger in Texas]

It's probably a smaller part of what is the common denominator, which is you need 2-3 guys who are kicking 30+ a year to go deep in finals. Whether that's smalls/KPFs/midfielders doesn't matter as much as long as you have that goalkicking power.

Yeah I see your point. From what I can tell most of the contending sides have roughly 4 or preferably 5 guys that go at over a goal a game. Due to structure, I’d say you’d want that to be your two KPFs, one 3rd tall/medium/small, one small, and one midfielder that can go forward

For us going forward, you’d hope the two KPFs are Fog and RT. For the other positions it’s a bit up in the air - maybe Pedlar as the mid/fwd? Gollant? McHenry if he can get his goal tally up? If not them, you’re looking at the likes of McAdam/Rowe/draftee small forwards

 

[Danger in Texas]

Murphy is way better coming off half back or even playing in the midfield.. problem is we are already stacked with players like him in these positions.

Murphy’s clearance work when tasked with it at forward stoppages was actually pretty good this year pre-syndesmosis. I agree he’d flourish more in those two roles, but yeah, might then find it hard to crack the lineup

 

[triggyscrewedus]

Murphy is way better coming off half back or even playing in the midfield.. problem is we are already stacked with players like him in these positions.

What benefit does Murphy give our midfield? You've got to be joking..
Half back ? With his disposal?

 

[Footypie32]

An area we could get an advantage in is the Irish lads..
This is an area we should be investing in.
We have dabbled previously with no success but that was under the old regime.
Other clubs are plucking good pick-ups and they are essentially free in terms of draft capital.
With Burgess now on board and a decent coaching group we could fast track development.

Pretty sure I heard Hamish say last year we have put Irish recruiting on hold right now. The club feels it's not an efficient ROI with the way things are at the moment.

Doubt that will change until things settle down.

 

[Mutineer]

Pretty sure I heard Hamish say last year we have put Irish recruiting on hold right now. The club feels it's not an efficient ROI with the way things are at the moment.

Doubt that will change until things settle down.

Once bitten, twice shy perhaps...Cathal McShane did get a 10 day all expenses paid holiday in Adelaide I guess.

 

[Scorpus]

Once bitten, twice shy perhaps...Cathal McShane did get a 10 day all expenses paid holiday in Adelaide I guess.

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Didn't Ireland pull out the brown paper bags to keep him?

 

[Danger in Texas]

Once bitten, twice shy perhaps...Cathal McShane did get a 10 day all expenses paid holiday in Adelaide I guess.

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There was another Irish guy I think we tried out about a decade ago, too. Another failed experiment FWIW, left after a year I think

 

[Crowked]

Still managed 25 goals from 15 games. Hopefully Burgess gets a hold of him and they drive him to be his best. Could be a 40 goal forward next year


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I think 40 is conservative. Has plenty of talent. It’s up to him to extract the digit and reach his potential.

 

[Vader]

There was another Irish guy I think we tried out about a decade ago, too. Another failed experiment FWIW, left after a year I think

We trialled 2 of them - Karl Dias & Brian Donnelly in 2008. We even gave Donnelly a rookie contract, and kept him on the list for 2 years (2009-10).

 

[Dangarman]

Here's an interesting stat. We have a group of 22 players on our list that have collectively more than doubled their AFL experience in 2021, going from 246 total games to 569, a 131% increase. Fog, Jones, Schoenberg and McHenry all a good chance to hit the 50 game milestone in 2022. Can't see McAdam playing 22 games. Could well see 8-10 players hit that milestone in 2023, and a few players clocking up 100 in that year too. No-one on our list is in the window to hit 100 games this year.

Player	Start 2021 games	Career games
Ben Keays (R)	46​	68​
Reilly O'Brien	37​	57​
Darcy Fogarty	24​	41​
Chayce Jones	23​	38​
Harry Schoenberg	8​	30​
Ned McHenry	8​	29​
Shane McAdam	13​	28​
Lachlan Sholl	8​	27​
Andrew McPherson	9​	27​
Elliot Himmelberg	19​	27​
Will Hamill	8​	25​
Jordan Butts (R)	2​	24​
James Rowe	0​	19​
Billy Frampton	8​	18​
Sam Berry	0​	17​
Riley Thilthorpe	0​	14​
Nick Murray (R)	0​	13​
Brayden Cook	0​	3​
Kieran Strachan (R)	1​	3​
Luke Pedlar	0​	2​
Josh Worrell	0​	1​
Lachlan Gollant	0​	1​

 

[Soggy2112]

Have to agree. He’s a lazy player. I can’t see him being a long term player if he doesn’t improve him work ethic. He’s just scratching the surface of what he could be. I’d say stick him in the SANFL until he improves his work rate, but I suspect he’d just cruise around there collecting his pay cheque, getting by with minimum effort until we delist him. Not sure if he’d respond to the man conversation either.

I think it’s important to remember that when the rest of the list was coming through the elite pathway and getting accustomed to what it takes to be a high level AFL player, McAdam was playing for Scotch Old Collegians and taking the piss purely based on his incredible talent.

Then once he got to Adelaide we were a rabble and relative to other clubs it was not that hard to get a game. People are products of their environments and I don’t think he’s been in one yet where his talent alone wasn’t enough for him to get by. I think as our football department continues to improve, and competition for spots becomes much greater, we’ll see what he’s really made of. He’ll be 27 next year and time would be running out for him so we’ll find out soon whether he has what it takes.

You hear a lot of AFL players talk about how when they first came into the league they thought they worked hard, but it took them a few years to really learn what that meant at AFL level. I suspect there’s a few players on our list that might be at that stage in their careers at the moment.

 

[Pick4To6]

With the addition of Jordan Dawson

12

Jordan Dawson

Age

28

Ht

190cm

Wt

91kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.0

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

5.7

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

2.8

4star

CL

0.6

3star

D

15.7

4star

K

10.9

4star

HB

4.9

3star

M

2.9

3star

T

2.0

3star

CL

0.4

3star

D

11.8

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

5.0

5star

T

3.0

5star

CL

0.6

3star

as a trade, and Patrick Parnell and Nick Murray for Tyson Stengle

18

Tyson Stengle

Age

27

Ht

175cm

Wt

71kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.3

2star

K

5.8

2star

HB

3.5

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

10.3

3star

K

5.3

2star

HB

5.0

3star

M

1.3

1star

T

2.0

3star

G

0.5

4star

D

8.8

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.6

4star

G

1.6

5star

and Bryce Gibbs mid year, we basically only have 4 senior list spots available for the draft?

Pick 4, 33, 75 and 80.

Is that correct.

We still have the opportunity to upgrade Jordan Butts and Ben Keays

2

Ben Keays

Age

28

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.1

3star

K

5.8

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.9

5star

G

0.4

3star

D

13.7

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

5.0

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.7

4star

G

0.3

3star

D

13.0

4star

K

4.8

2star

HB

8.2

5star

M

1.4

2star

T

4.4

5star

G

0.4

3star

from the Rookie List, and if we do we basically only go to the draft with pick 4 and 33.

That would then give us the option of using 2 live picks in the rookie draft.

Does Ben Davis

40

Ben Davis

Age

28

Ht

189cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

6.0

1star

K

3.5

1star

HB

2.5

2star

M

2.0

2star

T

1.5

3star

MG

169.0

3star

D

5.0

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

1.0

1star

M

2.0

2star

T

2.0

3star

MG

169.0

3star

D

6.0

2star

K

3.5

2star

HB

2.5

3star

M

2.0

3star

T

1.5

4star

MG

169.0

3star

and Ronin O’Connor change this?


Can someone please help me out if I have forgotten someone or made an incorrect calculation with my predictions.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

With the addition of Jordan Dawson as a trade, and Patrick Parnell and Nick Murray for Tyson Stengle and Bryce Gibbs mid year, we basically only have 4 senior list spots available for the draft?

Pick 4, 33, 75 and 80.

Is that correct.

We still have the opportunity to upgrade Jordan Butts and Ben Keays from the Rookie List, and if we do we basically only go to the draft with pick 4 and 33.

That would then give us the option of using 2 live picks in the rookie draft.

Does Ben Davis and Ronin O’Connor change this?


Can someone please help me out if I have forgotten someone or made an incorrect calculation with my predictions.

I suspect we don't rate this years draft with some of our moves. Have we settled on Ben Davis and Ronin O’Connor as we don't seem to have removed them from the list? Davis is not going to be a regular so should go even though he is a reasonable player. We don't even rate our NGA prospects.