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List Mgmt. Adelaide Crows 2021 List Management thread

Will the Crows pick up any of these players in the off-season?

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mattymac said:
Not different.

You entice a player so they want out for a huge pay day like Brisbane did with Charlie.

Few teams hold onto them after that.
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Final year of a contract in an environment Charlie didn't want to stay in.

Bailey is newly re-signed in a flag chance. To get him we'd need to give up a hell of a lotm
 
hey shorty said:
Final year of a contract in an environment Charlie didn't want to stay in.

Bailey is newly re-signed in a flag chance. To get him we'd need to give up a hell of a lotm
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Like we just made a GF and Brisbane offered Charlie 700k and suddenly success wasn't important.

Make a life changing offer and watch him become 'unhappy where he is'.
 

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mattymac said:
Like we just made a GF and Brisbane offered Charlie 700k and suddenly success wasn't important.

Make a life changing offer and watch him become 'unhappy where he is'.
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It certainly says a lot about how much of a train wreck that we were becoming that teams like Melbourne (for Lever), and Brisbane were appealing.
 
Golumless said:
It certainly says a lot about how much of a train wreck that we were becoming that teams like Melbourne (for Lever), and Brisbane were appealing.
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It's money.

It's not hard.

1. When you are shit you have lots of bad or unready players

2. So, you have lots of spare cap, because your players aren't worth much

3. So, you can offer much more to gun players than contending clubs with maxed out salary caps can offer them to stay

Now the tables are turned.

It's time for us to think like the poacher, not the poached.
 

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mattymac said:
It's money.

It's not hard.

1. When you are sh*t you have lots of bad or unready players

2. So, you have lots of spare cap, because your players aren't worth much

3. So, you can offer much more to gun players than contending clubs with maxed out salary caps can offer them to stay

Now the tables are turned.

It's time for us to think like the poacher, not the poached.
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Hence the Jordan Dawson move.
 
mattymac said:
It's money.

It's not hard.

1. When you are sh*t you have lots of bad or unready players

2. So, you have lots of spare cap, because your players aren't worth much

3. So, you can offer much more to gun players than contending clubs with maxed out salary caps can offer them to stay

Now the tables are turned.

It's time for us to think like the poacher, not the poached.
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Same with McGovern. His manager came out with all sorts of reasons why he moved, but there was NO WAY it was about money.

Then we find out now he was given a $4 million/5 year deal, but definitely wasn't about $. Not many players will ever say cash is king, it's one reason I had a tiny bit of respect for Phil Davis since he at least admitted that yea, money played a factor in his decision to move.
 
MRB37 said:
Same with McGovern. His manager came out with all sorts of reasons why he moved, but there was NO WAY it was about money.

Then we find out now he was given a $4 million/5 year deal, but definitely wasn't about $. Not many players will ever say cash is king, it's one reason I had a tiny bit of respect for Phil Davis since he at least admitted that yea, money played a factor in his decision to move.
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Yep. Can't believe some of the stories people believe about why players change clubs.

These are just young blokes. If someone is offering them 300k more than their current employer, they will go.

Some media flog will no doubt make up some fake stories about how unhappy they were, but truth is they are just cashing in.

Other clubs aren't offering them 300k more to help them out of their unhappy situation haha. It's naked buy and sell.
 
relapse said:
I think we're in an interesting spot with our list.

Some tough decisions are going to have to be made at the end of the year because most of the players who potentially are in the gun to be delisted are rookie listed.

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Stengle (delist)
Davis (Rookie)
Mackay (Rookie)
Gibbs (Rookie)
Seeds will get another deal
Strachan (Rookie)
Murray (Rookie)
There's been big raps on Gollant so he will most probably get another deal
O'Connor is a potential delistee

That leaves Crouch, Talia, Lynch, Kelly and some tough decisions ahead for the club.
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I thought 10 years was automatically unrestricted free agent? And surely Jake Kelly isn't restricted. I expect us to offer contracts to all our senior players except maybe only one between Lynch & Mackay.
 
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Caputo said:
This may be a bit off topic but relates to 2020 Draft.
Beveridge a hater and accuse Crows of being vindictive

Rival clubs warned against potential ‘vindictive’ bids on father-son prodigy

Ben Cotton from Fox Sports
July 2nd, 2021 6:52 pm

"Western Bulldogs coach Luke Beveridge has warned rival clubs against potential “vindictive” bids for father-son prodigy Sam Darcy, saying it takes the gloss off the national draft’s No 1 pick.

Darcy – a 203cm ruckman/key forward and son of Bulldogs legend Luke – is being touted as a potential top two pick after booting six goals for Vic Metro last weekend.

The Bulldogs have the right to match any bid for Darcy so long as they have enough draft points.

But if Darcy was taken with Pick 1 by likely wooden spooners North Melbourne and the Bulldogs matched it, he would still receive the $10,000 investment package from the AFL and title of being the first overall selection – not the prospect who lands at Arden Street.

It would follow a similar outcome to last year’s draft – where the Adelaide Crows placed a bid on Jamarra Ugle-Hagan instead of Riley Thilthorpe with Pick 1 despite knowing that the Bulldogs would match it with Next Generation Academy rights.

As such, the Crows denied Thilthorpe – who they were already essentially locked into drafting – the $10,000 investment package and mantle of being Pick 1.

Speaking on 3AW, Beveridge conceded history could repeat itself and see Darcy receive a bid with Pick 1.

“He might and it was interesting last year with “Marra”, ultimately he gets the NAB portfolio, he gets the cash reward, he gets the recognition, with the club in Adelaide which nominated him and Riley Thilthorpe misses out on that,” the Bulldogs coach said.

“Personally if you know the Dogs are going to take him and you have the No 1 pick, wouldn’t you want your lad who is coming in to get that and let your lad have that even though you want to make us pay. There are not that many vindictive list managers and recruiters in the comp.”

The Herald Sun reports that rival clubs believe North Melbourne could bid on both Darcy and Collingwood father-son prospect Nick Daicos with the No. 1 pick."

I am glad Crows made them pay full price.
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At what point is it ok to bid then Luke? Is 2 ok, seeing as there's no cash reward. If not, do we wait until 5 or do you think he should just slip through to your pick where even you wouldn't select him so you can get him with multiple later picks. Clubs should just select based on their talent order regardless of academy or FS status. It's pretty simple.
 

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hey shorty said:
Final year of a contract in an environment Charlie didn't want to stay in.

Bailey is newly re-signed in a flag chance. To get him we'd need to give up a hell of a lotm
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Brisbane also have Neale, Hipwood, Daniher, Cameron and many others on good $$$ with a number still to be signed up and looking for pay rises.
Bailey would be my number 1 target and I’d be offering 8-900k. He’s an elite player, with speed and growth to come. We have nothing like him.
I’m all in in him.
if we are serious, he could be the type to take us from good to elite down the track
 
MRB37 said:
Same with McGovern. His manager came out with all sorts of reasons why he moved, but there was NO WAY it was about money.

Then we find out now he was given a $4 million/5 year deal, but definitely wasn't about $. Not many players will ever say cash is king, it's one reason I had a tiny bit of respect for Phil Davis since he at least admitted that yea, money played a factor in his decision to move.
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Phil Davis didn’t want to leave, but we hadn’t offered job security or financial security. GWS offered both.
There was a huge difference between the future we offered and what was on offer. He had no choice really.
 
Would really like to see the Crows make a solid play for Hopper at GWS (Cmon Nicks, get on the blower to one of your ex players :smilev1:), a tough big bodied skillfull mid. Get him along with an elite top 5 pick mid this year and our midfield looks set with Pedlar, Schoey and Berry to round it out.

Really REALLY need a gun elite quick small forward too...
 
1970crow said:
At what point is it ok to bid then Luke? Is 2 ok, seeing as there's no cash reward. If not, do we wait until 5 or do you think he should just slip through to your pick where even you wouldn't select him so you can get him with multiple later picks. Clubs should just select based on their talent order regardless of academy or FS status. It's pretty simple.
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It won't be said by the club, with the official line being we wanted JUH and budding helped us get Rowe, but the bid on JUH was to make Thilthorpe the second pick.


Takes away the scrutiny of being "pick 1" and pressure.

Plus KPP at pick 1 have not fared well.



The $10k investment package really is not part of any argument here. Over a career that is a pittance compared to earnings a pick 1 should get. Even as the package matures.



I would argue such a "carrot" should mean more to a guy ar pick 91 than pick 1.

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DJ75 said:
Brisbane also have Neale, Hipwood, Daniher, Cameron and many others on good $$$ with a number still to be signed up and looking for pay rises.
Bailey would be my number 1 target and I’d be offering 8-900k. He’s an elite player, with speed and growth to come. We have nothing like him.
I’m all in in him.
if we are serious, he could be the type to take us from good to elite down the track
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Good thinking.

Even if he didn't come here, and he won't, offering such a salary sets a market value the Lions need to pay ( or close to) to keep him.

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