List Mgmt. Adelaide Crows 2021 List Management thread

[Mutineer]

It's certainly in our club DNA to continuously find good KPDs.

Depth is always nice, I guess, when it comes to Murray. A stop-gap whilst McAsey and Worrell develop in the SANFL and a bit of coverage if Talia never comes back.

You do realise Nick Murray is the same age as both McAsey and Worrell give or take a month or 2 so I don't see him as being purely a stop gap option.

Murray might be on the rookie list and not have been taken as high in the draft or come with the same fanfare but that's purely irrelevant now, all are on our list and draft positions mean diddly squat. All should be considered to be on equal terms when it comes to their future chances, speaking personally I've seen enough from Nick Murray to think he's a chance to make it.

 

[Pilchard_Adams]

I really like the idea of Murray forward. He is tough, certainly not afraid to jump at anything seeing his spoils last week meaning he would at least provide a contest unlike Frampton. That 1 quarter he had forward earlier in the year was impressive. Think he had 2 scoring shots in the quarter and our entire team had only managed 3 goals till 3 quarter time. Thought I saw him as recording the fastest speed last week too.

Also think Hinge looked good in his few minutes before injury. Perhaps Hinge half back, Murray forward next season.

 

[Crow till I die]

I really like the idea of Murray forward. He is tough, certainly not afraid to jump at anything seeing his spoils last week meaning he would at least provide a contest unlike Frampton. That 1 quarter he had forward earlier in the year was impressive. Think he had 2 scoring shots in the quarter and our entire team had only managed 3 goals till 3 quarter time. Thought I saw him as recording the fastest speed last week too.

Also think Hinge looked good in his few minutes before injury. Perhaps Hinge half back, Murray forward next season.

I agree re murray - he attacks the ball and can kick it a fair way and competes. I saw him take an almighty hanger at Unley a few weeks back so he has the athletic ability. He would get the nod from me before billy

 

[Danger in Texas]

I really like the idea of Murray forward. He is tough, certainly not afraid to jump at anything seeing his spoils last week meaning he would at least provide a contest unlike Frampton. That 1 quarter he had forward earlier in the year was impressive. Think he had 2 scoring shots in the quarter and our entire team had only managed 3 goals till 3 quarter time. Thought I saw him as recording the fastest speed last week too.

Also think Hinge looked good in his few minutes before injury. Perhaps Hinge half back, Murray forward next season.

I keep forgetting about Hinge. Hope he's able to get some more development into him once he comes back from his shoulder, is he meant to be healthy before pre-season starts?

 

[Crows I Am]

Brisbane also have Neale, Hipwood, Daniher, Cameron and many others on good $$$ with a number still to be signed up and looking for pay rises.
Bailey would be my number 1 target and I’d be offering 8-900k. He’s an elite player, with speed and growth to come. We have nothing like him.
I’m all in in him.
if we are serious, he could be the type to take us from good to elite down the track

I'd love to bring Bailey in, I think there would be very little chance of him moving though after just signing on until 2024 last year. I can't remember to many players leaving their clubs with so long to go on their contracts.

I agree though he is the exact type of player we need to be targeting, We should have plenty of money to throw at someone who is either coming out of contract or has one year left on their deal.

 

[Pilchard_Adams]

Some tough calls will have to be made at the seasons end.
Mrouch, Talia, MacKay, Kelly, Seed, Lynch are all in our most experienced players, and there is a decent argument for each as to why they could find themselves delisted or traded.

I think with Sloane, Tex, Smith, Brown, Laird already contracted beyond this season, Seed is the only one from the above list I would add and only based on his current form. Kelly does make adequate, inexpensive cover.

Who would you prefer to see playing next season? Mrouch, Talia, MacKay, Kelly and Lynch, or Pedlar, MacAsey, Hinge, Milera and Cook?

Out of the squad end of the year - Talia, Mrouch, MacKay, Lynch, Davis and OConner. Trade/give away/pay out 1 of Frampton or Berg.

 

[WeedsMullet84]

We need to pick one of them to develop as a forward. Framtpon and Himmelberg both won't make it so we need to think about replacing their list spots, as well as Lynch and Walker, very quickly.

So basically it's out of McAsey, Murray and Worrell as to who we swing up the other end of the ground, and I think you can make a case for all of them.

Personally Worrell to me looks like a Nick Haynes type so I'd keep him as a defender. Murray could go either way but I'd really like to see us try McAsey forward for another stint. He looks physically better suited to a lead up forward role than a defender

We may also benefit from Jake Kelly being a free agent. If he leaves that would free up additional defensive room

I think if Kelly leaves it'll certainly open a spot for Hinge (or Dawson if we're able to lure him to Adelaide). If Talia makes a comeback then himself and Butts will be the two KPD's. Murray and Worrell are not replacements for Kelly, and McAsey even less so, IMO. Kelly for me is a frustrating player and i'd be happy to let him go to a club that's looking for some experience.

 

[GrommoT]

... Seed is the only one from the above list I would add and only based on his current form. ...

Alternatively, unless he's keen to stay, maybe Seed could be worth a fair bit of draft stock?

 

[WeedsMullet84]

You do realise Nick Murray is the same age as both McAsey and Worrell give or take a month or 2 so I don't see him as being purely a stop gap option.

Murray might be on the rookie list and not have been taken as high in the draft or come with the same fanfare but that's purely irrelevant now, all are on our list and draft positions mean diddly squat. All should be considered to be on equal terms when it comes to their future chances, speaking personally I've seen enough from Nick Murray to think he's a chance to make it.

Agree completely. I see all of them having slight differences in what they bring, but all fairly equal in terms of their how i see their projection and value. Murray does show a lot of promise to me. McAsey will benefit from another preseason and Worrell is coming along nicely too.

But if Talia comes back, where on Earth do we put them? Even if he doesn't come back, you'd imagine 2 will compete for that spot, but one should definitely be put up for sale. None of them will compete, or are a replacement for, Doedee & Kelly.

Who's spot are they competing for if we swing them forward? Worrell & Murray are 195cm, McAsey is 197cm. That's KPF territory. They won't be competing with McAdam for a list spot, they'll be competing with Fogarty, Himmelberg, Frampton. Walker and Thilthorpe are almost walk-up starters in terms of selection at the moment.

And if we were planning on throwing one of them up forward then we would have tested it out in the SANFL, not the seniors. Haven't seen any of them being experimented with aside from Maybe Worrell who's clearly being told to get up the ground and support.

 

[Pilchard_Adams]

Alternatively, unless he's keen to stay, maybe Seed could be worth a fair bit of draft stock?

Could well be. I cant see him taking a lot of cap space though. Cheap quality player at the moment.

 

[Pilchard_Adams]

I keep forgetting about Hinge. Hope he's able to get some more development into him once he comes back from his shoulder, is he meant to be healthy before pre-season starts?

I believe so, should be good to go providing theres no compications

 

[GrommoT]

Could well be. I cant see him taking a lot of cap space though. Cheap quality player at the moment.

Not so much the cap space but if we could get a mid-late r1 pick for him, that would be real handy for us this year.

 

[Golumless]

Some tough calls will have to be made at the seasons end.
Mrouch, Talia, MacKay, Kelly, Seed, Lynch are all in our most experienced players, and there is a decent argument for each as to why they could find themselves delisted or traded.

I think with Sloane, Tex, Smith, Brown, Laird already contracted beyond this season, Seed is the only one from the above list I would add and only based on his current form. Kelly does make adequate, inexpensive cover.

Who would you prefer to see playing next season? Mrouch, Talia, MacKay, Kelly and Lynch, or Pedlar, MacAsey, Hinge, Milera and Cook?

Out of the squad end of the year - Talia, Mrouch, MacKay, Lynch, Davis and OConner. Trade/give away/pay out 1 of Frampton or Berg.

There was some talk about Seeds reaching a clause in his contract which would keep him here in 2022 last month.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Some tough calls will have to be made at the seasons end.
Mrouch, Talia, MacKay, Kelly, Seed, Lynch are all in our most experienced players, and there is a decent argument for each as to why they could find themselves delisted or traded.

I think with Sloane, Tex, Smith, Brown, Laird already contracted beyond this season, Seed is the only one from the above list I would add and only based on his current form. Kelly does make adequate, inexpensive cover.

Who would you prefer to see playing next season? Mrouch, Talia, MacKay, Kelly and Lynch, or Pedlar, MacAsey, Hinge, Milera and Cook?

Out of the squad end of the year - Talia, Mrouch, MacKay, Lynch, Davis and OConner. Trade/give away/pay out 1 of Frampton or Berg.

Yep.. but I dont see them as being “tough” calls at all... there are some downright essential calls there..

Mackay, lynch, Davis definitely need to go

mcrouch should be encouraged as much as possible to explore other options.

if Talia can get himself on the field this season and still pulls up sore after training then sorry.. cant help you buddy. Too risky to give another year to a bloke that cant even play and if he does play will only be taking valuable game time off our young promising KPD’s.. so its pointless whilst rebuilding.

agree.. frampton or himmelburg.. or even both need to be encouraged to look elsewhere if they want an AFL career.

O’conner.. some here see potential.. some here dont.. I’m in the “dont” column I’m afraid. Delist. Theres talent to be drafted and traded in this year and we need the list spots.

Kelly can take up FA.. he’s had a preety good year, up until saturday night!... turned back into his usual self.. I would rather have the list spot to fill with something else.

harsh?... maybe... but this pussy footing around and clinging to players that are cleary cooked or not going to get you to a GF (especially the left overs from 2017 like Kelly and Mookay) needs to end.

and please stop bringing in fringe/delistees/rejects from other clubs.. they are fringe/delistees/rejects for a reason and packing the team with them doesnt end up making an elite finals contending squad..just a squad full of battlers that get shown up the very minute they are up against class.

unless they are young players like Stephens who just havent yet broken into their main side but are showing some great signs..

and dumont can **** off.

 

[1970crow]

There was some talk about Seeds reaching a clause in his contract which would keep him here in 2022 last month.

those clauses would give him the right to an extra year. If we don't offer more and he's got a 2-3 year offer from elsewhere, he'll be gone you'd think.

 

[Pilchard_Adams]

Not so much the cap space but if we could get a mid-late r1 pick for him, that would be real handy for us this year.

If he manages to land an AA position, or at least named AA squad then he may be worth a pick in the 20s maybe? He will be 30, his body seems good though. Could be the cream for a team competing for a flag.

 

[70lethal]

McAsey is Talia replacement if he comes on and possibly allows Butts more opportunity to run off.
I have no issue Worrell being 3rd tall and Doedee becoming an even more attacking interceptor.
If sides go small Worrell can play further up the ground.

If Cook and Gollant come on then that may well change the whole forward structure which I feel would actually help Fogarty out long term and yes I have question marks over Fogs but happy to persist with a decent structure of more dynamic forwards if he's putting the effort in.
We should be suited to taking Keeler in next years draft.

Class in the midfield makes all forwards line better. Collingwood got to a GF with Cox and Mihocek

Berry, Pedlar, Schoenberg, McHenry, Keays, Laird, and if we took 3 more mids assuming MCrouch goes that starts to look much healthier with good depth.

People say wheres everyone going to fit. Same place they always have if they arent best 22 in the 2nds which is what improves development.

 

[Mutineer]

It's certainly in our club DNA to continuously find good KPDs.

Depth is always nice, I guess, when it comes to Murray. A stop-gap whilst McAsey and Worrell develop in the SANFL and a bit of coverage if Talia never comes back.

Nicks’ “really good sign” from Round 16

Nicks was proud of the first half fight but said lessons would be learnt

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“But I thought the guys were pretty good in that space early in the game.

“It was about 70 per cent back half in the first five or 10 minutes but we were able to hold on.

“(Jordon) Butts back there, I thought he played really well… Nick Murray stood up and played some great footy, so that’s a really good sign for the Club.”

Mathew Nicks on Tex Walker's neck injury and their loss to Brisbane. - Triple M Breakfast with Roo, Ditts & Loz

Mathew Nicks on Tex Walker's neck injury and their loss to Brisbane.

omny.fm

 

[Shaz2012]

Dawson >>>>>> both of those guys

If we got Dawson for pick 30 I'd be absolutely ecstatic

Aliir is better IMO. Dawson is a good player though.

 

[I Lost My Keays]

There was some talk about Seeds reaching a clause in his contract which would keep him here in 2022 last month.

I’m happy with extending his contract

 

[WeedsMullet84]

Nicks’ “really good sign” from Round 16

Nicks was proud of the first half fight but said lessons would be learnt

www.afc.com.au

“But I thought the guys were pretty good in that space early in the game.

“It was about 70 per cent back half in the first five or 10 minutes but we were able to hold on.

“(Jordon) Butts back there, I thought he played really well… Nick Murray stood up and played some great footy, so that’s a really good sign for the Club.”

Mathew Nicks on Tex Walker's neck injury and their loss to Brisbane. - Triple M Breakfast with Roo, Ditts & Loz

Mathew Nicks on Tex Walker's neck injury and their loss to Brisbane.

omny.fm

Murray was good but didn't do much in the way of presenting an option down back. Now i know a lock-down defender isn't going to be your teams play-maker, but ZERO marks for the game and one tackle didn't really do it for me, no matter how much of a golden fist he is. Butts 2 marks but he continuously presented as an option for other defenders AS WELL as making the occasional spoil and locking down his opponent. Doedee 3 marks (2 of them shots on goal) means he wasn't really living up to his intercept marking name either. If you're not taking the occasional mark down back (like Brisbane were doing Sat night) then you're not getting the ball back on your own terms. We can't have our 3 tallest guys constantly going up to spoil back into a randomly contested area of the field or a 50/50 contest from a throw in. Hopefully it's just an experience thing, but i really want us to be braver in our marking contests and back in our abilities.

 

[Golumless]

Nicks’ “really good sign” from Round 16

Nicks was proud of the first half fight but said lessons would be learnt

www.afc.com.au

“But I thought the guys were pretty good in that space early in the game.

“It was about 70 per cent back half in the first five or 10 minutes but we were able to hold on.

“(Jordon) Butts back there, I thought he played really well… Nick Murray stood up and played some great footy, so that’s a really good sign for the Club.”

Mathew Nicks on Tex Walker's neck injury and their loss to Brisbane. - Triple M Breakfast with Roo, Ditts & Loz

Mathew Nicks on Tex Walker's neck injury and their loss to Brisbane.

omny.fm

I definitely have Murray as the stop gap moving forward, but that's more to do with I want us to get something out of the baffling decision to pick a key defender in the top 10 of a draft (and I like Worrell as a player too).

 

[70lethal]

I definitely have Murray as the stop gap moving forward, but that's more to do with I want us to get something out of the baffling decision to pick a key defender in the top 10 of a draft (and I like Worrell as a player too).

That was a serious overating of our midfield at the time.
It was a draft we could have traded down and got 2 1st rounder as a minimum and became obvious before hand Roberston was going to be a serious slider along with Kemp.

 

[Mego Red]

I'm not sure about these suggestions of Murray as a key forward.

He was tried as that as a kid, and here we are today with him as a defender. Surely, if he was decent enough as a forward he would have stayed as that?

 

[UcantCme]

Aliir is better IMO. Dawson is a good player though.

They are different types of defenders, Alir is more of an intercept defender, Dawson is tall running HB who can use the footy

They both have different weapons and Dawson's season has been outstanding

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