List Mgmt. AFC - 2014 Drafting and Trading

[mattymac]

Anyways if we want to trade a player out to get a Kennedy or Menzel I'd rather we traded Douglas. At least he has some currency ( though it'd be a valid argument to say he is probably getting to old), Wright, Lyons don't have currency, definitely not the sort that'd land us Kennedy

The problem with trading Dougie is now that Bernie is gone he's one of our few decent senior players. Once you remove the Thommo/Rutten cohort of experienced players in their 30s it drops down to just vB at 28 (by no means certain best 22) then down to a handful of 27 year olds who will form our experienced core very soon.

van Berlo* 28 (182 games)

Betts 27 (198 games)
Douglas 27 (147 games)


After that our experience drops away fairly rapidly

Jacobs 26 (96 games)

MacKay 25 (118 games)
Henderson 25 (56 games)
Martin 25 (27 games)
Otten 25 (74 games)
Jenkins 25 (40 games)

Dangerfield 24 (123 games)
Sloane 24 (92 games)
Walker 24 (76 games)
Jaensch 24 (59 games)
Wright 24 (71 games)

Below this point no one has 50 games bar Talia and Smithers (both 68).

So, with Thommo, Rutten, Reilly, Porplyzia etc on their last legs, Vince gone and van Berlo iffy, I think Dougie's experience is more valuable to us than what we would get at the trade table.

Let's also not forget that he almost took out the B&F last year and is currently coming off a busted scrotum.

If I was looking to trade anyone best 22 atm it would be Otten. Not because I don't like him. I love the Ottmeister, but he has value as a proven swing man yet we can cover him both for experience (numerous guys at similar age and games played) and position (Hendo in the swing man role or LT in defence).

That said, there is no need imo. Kennedy trade doesn't fill a need nor is he classy enough to dislodge an incumbent, so not worth Otto, and Menzel will shortly re-sign at Carlton.

 

[pjcrows]

I would trade Hendo or Otten for the right price.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

... except a likely compensation pick.

Thought they were doing away with it ....however we'd only likely get a 3rd round pick

 

[conVINCEd]

I'd be fuming if we traded Henderson for anything other than a top 10 pick.

His pace, carry and long kick are EXACTLY what we're screaming out for. To lose that for a risky draft pick would be a travesty.

 

[Tex200]

Top 10 pick for Henderson? Goodness me

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Well, no - we don't keep him automatically; he's still out of contract at that point, and can choose to stay with us, request a trade, or enter the PSD like all other players who are out of contract but not free agents.

Ehhrr No .......why would he request a trade if he has received offers from rival clubs & after choosing his preferred club submitting the offer as part of Restricted Free Agency ?

Adelaide gets to match the offer (which IIRC no club has thus far) or he gets an automatic transfer to the club he has negotiated with behind the scene

Your possibility will not occur

 

[Tex200]

Ehhrr No .......why would he request a trade if he has received offers from rival clubs & after choosing his preferred club submitting the offer as part of Restricted Free Agency ?

Adelaide gets to match the offer (which IIRC no club has thus far) or he gets an automatic transfer to the club he has negotiated with behind the scene

Your possibility will not occur

Well yes it could.

If he wants to ex his FA and go to say Melb, then if Melb are losing Frawley they only get either MacKay as the incoming FA or the compensation pick.

Now if Frawley leaves for a huge amount the compo pick may be a 1st rounder.

In that case Melb, if they really want MacKay will be better off trading for him and losing a later pick.

That way they keep the higher compo pick

Edit - please don't tell us MacKay is worth a first round pick!!!

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Thought they were doing away with it ....however we'd only likely get a 3rd round pick

There was talk about, but I think the compensation is remaining ... however, I doubt we would get value for Mackay, given he is the type of player we have a shortage of. Would be a different story if he was excess to requirements. However, he can't expect to be as highly paid v rest of squad as his last contract if he stays.

 

[DD#23]

Top 10 pick for Henderson? Goodness me

yep, lol.

geeze you'd be lucky to get a top 10 pick for bloody Smith let alone a guy who hasn't played an AFL game in 9 months (and hasn't "exploded" yet).

I'm of the opinion that picks are generally overvalued given that there's a big risk factor when picking up a raw 18 year old, but you can't underestimate the importance in bringing in quality young blood either. If you were going to discuss hypothetical pick value for Hendo, unless he polls charlie votes in all remaining games or something you're not going to get anything in the top 20, lets be realistic here.

 

[DD#23]

We need a gun Top 5 midfielder. Or James Aish. Somehow.

now don't get me wrong, I rate these guys VERY highly of course, but I'd "settle" () for rock-solid Edwards/Goodwin types.

if Danger and B. Crouch can't cover our top 5 mid/freak material quota then a third probably won't make much difference in my opinion. Not that I'd turn an Aish or O'Meara away mind you

 

[dylan123]

Ehhrr No .......why would he request a trade if he has received offers from rival clubs & after choosing his preferred club submitting the offer as part of Restricted Free Agency ?

Adelaide gets to match the offer (which IIRC no club has thus far) or he gets an automatic transfer to the club he has negotiated with behind the scene

Your possibility will not occur

Monfries.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Well yes it could.

If he wants to ex his FA and go to say Melb, then if Melb are losing Frawley they only get either MacKay as the incoming FA or the compensation pick.

Now if Frawley leaves for a huge amount the compo pick may be a 1st rounder.

In that case Melb, if they really want MacKay will be better off trading for him and losing a later pick.

That way they keep the higher compo pick

Edit - please don't tell us MacKay is worth a first round pick!!!

I already posted probably 3rd round pick

Yes you're correct that is a distinct possibility ......i discounted it due to the small amount of unrestricted free agents remaining

 

[WaynesWorld19]

There was talk about, but I think the compensation is remaining ... however, I doubt we would get value for Mackay, given he is the type of player we have a shortage of. Would be a different story if he was excess to requirements. However, he can't expect to be as highly paid v rest of squad as his last contract if he stays.

Kane that's why i don't understand the apathy towards Mckay leaving .......he's the type of player we're short of.

He's also automatically straight back in the side, showing how the selectors view his role

 

[WaynesWorld19]

What are peoples thoughts on Leroy Jetta from Essendon?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Monfries.

Sorry could you explain?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Top 10 pick for Henderson? Goodness me

Why would you trade when 2nd round gamble is the best outcome possible?

Henderson is exactly what we need more of ....tall, fast and long kick ....plus he's a great mark that we haven't seen the best of YET

 

[WaynesWorld19]

With no club really agreeing on top 10 draft order .....the chances of us getting a good 1st rounder this year is good, if our recruiters are sharp.

Has a top 10 draft pick ever not made the AA team at the U18's championship ................................................................Durdin?

 

[Sir Vlado]

What are peoples thoughts on Leroy Jetta from Essendon?

No thanks.

 

[Tex200]

Why would you trade when 2nd round gamble is the best outcome possible?

Henderson is exactly what we need more of ....tall, fast and long kick ....plus he's a great mark that we haven't seen the best of YET

Where did I ever suggest that we should trade him?

I said nothing about it so I suggest you actually read people's posts

 

[WaynesWorld19]

No thanks.

That's my thoughts as well with maybe a greater emphasis on the word NO

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Where did I ever suggest that we should trade him?

I said nothing about it so I suggest you actually read people's posts

Never suggested you did .....i was making a broad comment about trading him

 

[Tex200]

Sorry could you explain?

Oh FFS - do you read anything other than your own posts.

There has been at least 4 posts explaining this - one where I answered you directly.

 

[Elite Crow]

Oh FFS - do you read anything other than your own posts.

There has been at least 4 posts explaining this - one where I answered you directly.

Not enough ...........

 

[Magma]

durdin is so raw. he stood his own in the foxtel cup game. there's definitely something there to work with if the proper time is invested into him.

im not 100% sure if he's played even at reserves level for us yet. he needs about 4 years of polish

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Oh FFS - do you read anything other than your own posts.

There has been at least 4 posts explaining this - one where I answered you directly.

Why are you responding to posts not directed at you