List Mgmt. AFC - 2014 Drafting and Trading

[Matman23]

Absolutely would like us to go after Gorringe in the developing ruck spot.

As far as immediate back up - I've not seen anything much of Hannah or Currie - are they proven to be up to slotting straight in to AFL if needed?

I feel that they both looked alright when they got their chances. Currie looked real good in the NAB cup a couple years back and not sure why he hasn't played more. Hannath looked good when he filled in last season. He is out of contract and currently behind Sandilands, Clarke and Griffin. They also drafted Appenese as well.

 

[AdelaideFan14]

Hawthorn seem to have a few good ruckman to chose from. Maybe we could convince one of them that being #2 at Adelaide is better than being #4 or #5 at Hawthorn. Whether they play at the same level at Adelaide as they do at Hawthorn is a different question.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Suggestions?

Rather promote Osborne that recruit Wood

Wood has been at 3 clubs, played less than a handful of decent games and like I said is only a slight improvement on Angus Graham

I would target Tom Nicholls from the GC who always plays well when Smith and Dixon are missing, Gorringe from the Gold Coast is another obvious target, I think Currie from North with opportunity will be a very good player, I have always rated the ex Centrals player in Jack Hannath, also Gawn from Melb is another in and out of the side however when he does get dropped he smashes it in the VFL

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Absolutely would like us to go after Gorringe in the developing ruck spot.

As far as immediate back up - I've not seen anything much of Hannah or Currie - are they proven to be up to slotting straight in to AFL if needed?

IMO Hannath and Currie have been starved of opportunity

However Wood is just starved of ability

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Any rucks around looking to be delisted? Other then ours of course. Jack Hannath is out of contract and would be ideal for back up. Allows us to show Graham and McKernan the door.

Like Hannath, like him a lot

Just needs opportunity

 

[Mattrox]

Graham's last SANFL game vs South, which I watched, was miles above anything I saw him do at Sturt (2 games I saw). Very small sample size, but anyway.

I'm coming to the conclusion that Graham might get 1 yr and we might draft or rookie a ruckman as a development step to plan for the latter part of Sauce's career. It just makes sense.

Smack to be delisted. It is too much mucking around to get in an AFL capable ruck that, likely, doesn't want to play 2nd fiddle who will want to move soon enough. Get in someone who we can develop through the SANFL and try to add Fwd or Def to their bow. Someone who knows they have a future as a 1st ruck, the time frame is about right.

We probably need speed and outside class and a KPD more urgently than a ruck.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Graham's last SANFL game vs South, which I watched, was miles above anything I saw him do at Sturt (2 games I saw). Very small sample size, but anyway.

I'm coming to the conclusion that Graham might get 1 yr and we might draft or rookie a ruckman as a development step to plan for the latter part of Sauce's career. It just makes sense.

Smack to be delisted. It is too much mucking around to get in an AFL capable ruck that, likely, doesn't want to play 2nd fiddle who will want to move soon enough. Get in someone who we can develop through the SANFL and try to add Fwd or Def to their bow. Someone who knows they have a future as a 1st ruck, the time frame is about right.

We probably need speed and outside class and a KPD more urgently than a ruck.

I don't think we can retain Graham for another season

He is a senior player, he has been healthy for the majority of his two seasons with us however has struggled to put his name forward for selection

 

[Tex200]

IMO Hannath and Currie have been starved of opportunity

However Wood is just starved of ability

Nicholls had played 15 games, Hannath 15 games and Currie 3 games.

Are these guys you are bringing in to develop into our next no1 ruck? Or are you saying your here for a SANFL career?

As I see it we ideally have 3 rucks;
1. Current no1
2. Current no1 back up
3. Developing no1

Surely each of those three are potentially the developing ruck instead of say.... Gorringe.

Or are you saying you want to draft a skinny 18 yo to develop and one of then kids you mention are the back up?

To me we need

1. Sauce
2. Seasoned ruck who can play a role if needed but mainly career SANFL
3. One of Gorringe, Hannath, Nicholls, Currie etc etc

 

[Matman23]

Nicholls had played 15 games, Hannath 15 games and Currie 3 games.

Are these guys you are bringing in to develop into our next no1 ruck? Or are you saying your here for a SANFL career?

As I see it we ideally have 3 rucks;
1. Current no1
2. Current no1 back up
3. Developing no1

Surely each of those three are potentially the developing ruck instead of say.... Gorringe.

Or are you saying you want to draft a skinny 18 yo to develop and one of then kids you mention are the back up?

To me we need

1. Sauce
2. Seasoned ruck who can play a role if needed but mainly career SANFL
3. One of Gorringe, Hannath, Nicholls, Currie etc etc

I would say Gorringe, Hannath and Currie would all serve as the back up ruck and competing with Sauce. Of course we would develop them as well like with all the players. People forget that last season Sauce was on the chopping block. Our lack of ruck depth was the only thing that saved him. If we had one of these three performing in the SANFL they would have played as the first ruck.

 

[Tex200]

I would say Gorringe, Hannath and Currie would all serve as the back up ruck and competing with Sauce. Of course we would develop them as well like with all the players. People forget that last season Sauce was on the chopping block. Our lack of ruck depth was the only thing that saved him. If we had one of these three performing in the SANFL they would have played as the first ruck.

So lets say we recruit Currie. 3 games. In the next pre season Sauce does a hammy and is out until R6 - are we confident Currie can slot straight into the first ruck and do a job?

Genuine question

 

[Matman23]

So lets say we recruit Currie. 3 games. In the next pre season Sauce does a hammy and is out until R6 - are we confident Currie can slot straight into the first ruck and do a job?

Genuine question

I say yes. Others will disagree but he did exactly that when he played his three games. Same with Hannath last season and Gorringe played some good footy as well. I also agree that we need to be developing another ruck man as well. So many other clubs have a project ruckman on their rookie list and that results in players like Cox and Sandilands.

 

[The19thMan]

Nicholls is a head above any others being mentioned, I would definitely make a play for him. Gorringe hasn't really shown much yet. I don't know why we would get Currie or why he would come to Adelaide, he's 25 and would just be sitting in the seconds.

EDIT: Basically Nicholls has shown the most at AFL level and he's also one of the youngest.

 

[Tex200]

I say yes. Others will disagree but he did exactly that when he played his three games. Same with Hannath last season and Gorringe played some good footy as well. I also agree that we need to be developing another ruck man as well. So many other clubs have a project ruckman on their rookie list and that results in players like Cox and Sandilands.

Fair enough

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Nicholls had played 15 games, Hannath 15 games and Currie 3 games.

Are these guys you are bringing in to develop into our next no1 ruck? Or are you saying your here for a SANFL career?

As I see it we ideally have 3 rucks;
1. Current no1
2. Current no1 back up
3. Developing no1

Surely each of those three are potentially the developing ruck instead of say.... Gorringe.

Or are you saying you want to draft a skinny 18 yo to develop and one of then kids you mention are the back up?

To me we need

1. Sauce
2. Seasoned ruck who can play a role if needed but mainly career SANFL
3. One of Gorringe, Hannath, Nicholls, Currie etc etc

To me we need to trade for a back up ruck and draft for our future lead ruck

 

[Tex200]

To me we need to trade for a back up ruck and draft for our future lead ruck

So you think those inexperienced guys can immediately fill a role?

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Nicholls is a head above any others being mentioned, I would definitely make a play for him. Gorringe hasn't really shown much yet. I don't know why we would get Currie or why he would come to Adelaide, he's 25 and would just be sitting in the seconds.

EDIT: Basically Nicholls has shown the most at AFL level and he's also one of the youngest.

As per my earlier post, I agree with you on Nicholls and I am a massive fan

The lad is 201cm, his tap work reminds me of Doc Clark however he has the athleticism of a Patty Ryder

Would be my number one target

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

So you think those inexperienced guys can immediately fill a role?

Nicholls absolutely, he has proved this at the suns when Dixon or Smith has been injured, unfortunately the GC has stacked up on talls which has cost Nicholls opportunity

Both Hannath and Currie are not afl experienced but they are senior footy experienced and both could come in and be play more than a role if needed

Gorringe is the one which I'm most unsure on like Nicholls has struggled for opportunity at GC however he still seems a little raw

Regardless all these blokes have one thing in common that is they play for clubs who have well established rucks and may get more opportunity as a back up at Adelaide

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

The Crows should leave Lycett alone. With Cox's imminent retirement West Coast will ask for overs. I think The Crows should chase Grundy. He has the massive upside. The big question is though can we have a potential game with Walker / Lynch / Jenkins / Jacobs / (Grundy/Lycett) all on the ground at the same time.

Pies will not lst Grundy go!

 

[Matman23]

Nicholls is a head above any others being mentioned, I would definitely make a play for him. Gorringe hasn't really shown much yet. I don't know why we would get Currie or why he would come to Adelaide, he's 25 and would just be sitting in the seconds.

EDIT: Basically Nicholls has shown the most at AFL level and he's also one of the youngest.

Currie played in SA prior to being drafted so that might help get him here. Nicholls is the better player but would probably come with bigger price tag. What are we willing to pay for a back up ruckman? And why would he come here and fight with an AA ruckman when he could find better opportunities elsewhere. Not saying we shouldn't target him but the others might be easier to get.

 

[Skippos]

I think our collective sentiments on Nicholls are shared by many. Zac Smith's tapwork is offensive for a bloke of his height and he's not offering buckets around the ground to justify it. I think Nicholls is the clear #1 ruck at GC or at worst has an equal opposition to battle with. No idea why he'd leave a team on the verge of real success where he's a starter to join a team that isn't close to success to be a backup with no ties to our state.

He really is a solid player. I think Goldcoast would want a top 5 pick AND a top 25 pick to trade him too. We'd have to offer him a salary that'd entice him over and IMO that'd be so much overs it's just not worth it.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Port want Lycett, have heard they offered Shaw potentially. WC not interested.

Why would port offer you a forward when you have plenty & they have a shortage?

Surely you would want a midfielder?

 

[Tex200]

I think our collective sentiments on Nicholls are shared by many. Zac Smith's tapwork is offensive for a bloke of his height and he's not offering buckets around the ground to justify it. I think Nicholls is the clear #1 ruck at GC or at worst has an equal opposition to battle with. No idea why he'd leave a team on the verge of real success where he's a starter to join a team that isn't close to success to be a backup with no ties to our state.

He really is a solid player. I think Goldcoast would want a top 5 pick AND a top 25 pick to trade him too. We'd have to offer him a salary that'd entice him over and IMO that'd be so much overs it's just not worth it.

Good post.

We seem to just throw these names around because they are quality - little thought to how you would actually attract them to our club with a very entrenched encumbent, who could stay that way for another 5-6 years.

Even a player like Giles would not come because of limited opportunities.

One of the reasons I suggested Wood was that he seems to have accepted his fate as a back up. Been sitting in the Carlton 2's for over 12 months waiting for a call up. Then does a job and will likely disappear again after a few games. A career state league player with the odd AFL game, probably picking up 100 k per year for his troubles. Life could be worse.

Surely we need that type of player and just as surely we ain't going to attract guys on the cusp of an AFL career to come and play state league.

It's just not realistic.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Given Laird has struggled to get back into defence with the emergence of mj & Brown doing the lock down role, would we consider trading him... Particularly as I can see vb returning on a hbf next year? Just putting it out there.

Should trade Lyons as needs to be given a decent go. Plenty of sides are short of inside midfielders... & we have m crouch as backup til thommo retires.

Time to trade/delist Mckernan & Graham needs to go... & agree with posts above about chasing someone like gorringe, hannath or Currie. Time to refresh our ruck stocks.

 

[dylan123]

I've never seen Angus Graham play an AFL game like Cameron Wood did last night. Therefore Cameron is in front and the fact he was a rookie pick, give him the nod.

I didn't watch the game last night because of the little interest I have in either teams, but looking back, Graham has had some good numbers at AFL level.

The two best ones that stand out to me are his round 10 match against Port in 2010 where he had 7 disposals, 34 hitouts and 14 tackles and his round 4 match against Collingwood in 2011 where he had 14 disposals, 36 hitouts and 1 goal.

To be honest, neither of them fill me with excitement sitting on our list, but at the end of the day, that's basically all we're going to be able to get for a player that's only chance of playing AFL football falls on Jacobs getting injured.

The other thing that might interest a player would be playing as the 3rd tall/relieving ruck that many thought Jenkins would do. This would mean Jenkins becomes a full time KP forward and we'll stick with the 4 talls going forwards permanently in Tex, Jenkins, 3rd tall ruck and Lynch which many believe hurt us which you'd think this would be even worse as I doubt we'd find someone that has the ability to play in the ruck who can cover as much ground as Pods and fill the hole in the backline (something Lynch could possibly do?). Even with this, should Jacobs go down, is this player in question capable of stepping up and playing as a full time ruck?

Basically, I think we'll probably be unhappy with whoever we get if they're a full time ruckman because if they're any good, they'll go to a club where they're more likely to play at AFL level then come to the Crows first.

 

[spenze]

No point targeting Nicholls, he is their No 1 ruck who is injured, not someone whom is out of favour. Every day of the week he is fit and healthy, he plays first ruck. He would be a fantastic get but...