Expansion AFL overtaking NRL in QLD

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Johnny Bananas

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If the AFL is serious about supplanting rugby league, I think they can't just target the major cities only. They should identify where rugby league's biggest talent factories are (the ones within Australia anyway) and throw in resources there to cut off some of the supply. This list shows some of the towns to concentrate on.


Something to note is that NRL legend Darren Lockyer started out playing Australian rules in Brisbane, and only took up rugby league when he moved to Roma because there was no local Australian rules team there. That gave the Broncos their greatest ever player, when he could have been winning AFL flags alongside Voss and Aker instead. The AFL should be doing everything in its power to ensure there are no more Lockyers, by investing big into the grassroots in these towns.

Charlie Cameron came from Mt Isa, although he only got into Australian rules when he lived in WA. And Zac Smith is from Rocky.
 

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Not necessarily. If you were a kid back then you'd be an adult now. They will be supporters (of Brisbane), throw in another bunch of kids interested now and in 5-10 years you will have a whole generation interested in the game. It took Sydney probably 30 years to come good. A GF in 96(?) would've got some interest and then some more finals 10 years later to solidify that base.
Yeah, but at some point it’s just not part of the state’s identity. In a similar manner, Melbourne Storm has had incredible sustained success for years, and yet their membership is dwarfed by that of even the least-supported Melbourne club.
 

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Anecdotally Australians rules is hoovering up upper middle and upper class QLD and NSW people and their kids who would've been into rugby union and the Wallabies 20 years ago. They watch the NRL but are too class conscious to go to the games or direct their kids to play it.
I can anecdotally somewhat agree with this due to a number of doctors I work with with established private school ties. Whilst Rugby Union will always be the be all and end all for the private school old boys due to GPS competition being a massive point of pride beyondall comprehension, AFL is fast becoming the other winter sport . Most old boys I know have QLD Reds and either Brisbane Lions and either or Gabba or Cricketers Club Memberships and AFL talk is pretty common around the workplace.

Though I disagree most are too class conscious to be seen at the NRL, most do still watch it but more of a passing interest as Queenslanders generally just want QLD teams to do well regardless of the sport and will talk about it.
 

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Yeah, but at some point it’s just not part of the state’s identity. In a similar manner, Melbourne Storm has had incredible sustained success for years, and yet their membership is dwarfed by that of even the least-supported Melbourne club.

I think the critical difference - in addition to a whole nother level of suturationness - is the amount of resources on the ground exposing kids to the game...and even things like baking 100% live FTA into the TV rights contracts for the local teams.
 

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It sometimes gets better average TV ratings than the grand final

It never gets more viewers.

The AFL grand final is easily the biggest event in Australian sport in terms of domestic interest.

Bottom line is an annual three game series is only an annual three game series.
yeah it's way bigger than the Melbourne Cup.
 

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Honestly I'd replace England with Tonga in that list at the moment. I haven't been interested in an NRL international involving the Poms in years but I'll watch a Taumalolo fuelled Tongan side any day

This. Shattered the big unit is hurt (mainly for my fantasy team but also just love watching him play)
 

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Why does this get treated like a battle? A post above literally talks about 'cutting off the supply' to rugby league.

WTF for? Is the human brain that devoid of depth these days that following two different codes becomes too much? Is there a fear that amongst the roughly 2 million Australian men between 15-35 that there will suddenly not be enough to sustain the AFL because Rugby League has stacked its ranks with 2 metre ruckmen? Help me out here.
 

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Why does this get treated like a battle?

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Is the human brain that devoid of depth these days that following two different codes becomes too much?

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Help me out here.
People born before 1980 had good access to one code but not both and pre-internet media encouraged provincialism.

But the two sports are in competition with each other. Their seasons start and end at the same time.
 

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People born before 1980 had good access to one code but not both and pre-internet media encouraged provincialism.

But the two sports are in competition with each other. Their seasons start and end at the same time.
As good an answer as I've seen.

I am going home from work later to watch my AFL team play, and then watch a replay of my NRL team play. Then tomorrow morning I'm going to watch the Caribbean Premier League and possibly play golf later.

It can't be that hard to take a mentality that you can attract fans to one code without trying to destroy another.
 

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if you genuinely think more people watch the AFL grand final each year than the Melbourne Cup.... seek help.

The Melbourne cup has a lower rating over 3 minutes than the AFL GF has over 3 hours

As good an answer as I've seen.

I am going home from work later to watch my AFL team play, and then watch a replay of my NRL team play. Then tomorrow morning I'm going to watch the Caribbean Premier League and possibly play golf later.

It can't be that hard to take a mentality that you can attract fans to one code without trying to destroy another.


Why does this get treated like a battle? A post above literally talks about 'cutting off the supply' to rugby league.

WTF for? Is the human brain that devoid of depth these days that following two different codes becomes too much? Is there a fear that amongst the roughly 2 million Australian men between 15-35 that there will suddenly not be enough to sustain the AFL because Rugby League has stacked its ranks with 2 metre ruckmen? Help me out here.

As far as I can see, Johnny Bananas hasn't questioned other people's mentality or suggested they "seek help" for having a different opinion than them.

Good for you that you like so many sports and wish harm to no other (except rugby union apparently), you are clearly very virtuous.

I watch other sports but, like johnny bananas, would like my preferred sport (which happens to be the subject of this forum) to become grander and have more resources at its disposal. In a strategic environment that needs to be at the expense of other sports to varying degrees.

You are the mentally stunted one to be lacking in sufficient depth to be aware your perspective is not some universal objective truth
 

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The Melbourne cup has a lower rating over 3 minutes than the AFL GF has over 3 hours








As far as I can see, Johnny Bananas hasn't questioned other people's mentality or suggested they "seek help" for having a different opinion than them.

Good for you that you like so many sports and wish harm to no other (except rugby union apparently), you are clearly very virtuous.

I watch other sports but, like johnny bananas, would like my preferred sport (which happens to be the subject of this forum) to become grander and have more resources at its disposal. In a strategic environment that needs to be at the expense of other sports to varying degrees.

You are the mentally stunted to one lacking in sufficient depth to be aware your perspective is not some universal objective truth
ratings are based on TV sets as far as I'm aware. 100+ people don't stand around in every office watching the AFL grand final on 1-2 TV sets.

I don't recall trying to claim I was virtuous because I enjoy more than one set of classified rules about how many, and in what ways, men chase around a leather bag of air.

What needs to get grander about AFL? It's already a fantastic sport. Wouldn't you just rather see more people watching sport in general?
 

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ratings are based on TV sets as far as I'm aware. 100+ people don't stand around in every office watching the AFL grand final on 1-2 TV sets.

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I don't recall trying to claim I was virtuous because I enjoy more than one set of classified rules about how many, and in what ways, men chase around a leather bag of air.
You clearly signalled it whilst questioning the mental depth of others and then subsequently telling someone to "seek help" for having a different opinion than you



What needs to get grander about AFL? It's already a fantastic sport. Wouldn't you just rather see more people watching sport in general?
I'd rather more people watched Australian football so in 20 years it is even better than it is now. I don't see anything "wrong" about that view. I have certainly never suggested it is "wrong" to be an AFL fan and not have this view.

From a social / public health perspective I'm guessing people playing "more sport in general" would be a good thing. More generally my preference would be people watch more sports that I prefer over others - rugby union being perhaps the best example.
 

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You clearly signalled it whilst questioning the mental depth of others and then subsequently telling someone to "seek help" for having a different opinion than you





I'd rather more people watched Australian football so in 20 years it is even better than it is now. I don't see anything "wrong" about that view. I have certainly never suggested it is "wrong" to be an AFL fan and not have this view.

From a social / public health perspective I'm guessing people playing "more sport in general" would be a good thing. More generally my preference would be people watch more sports that I prefer over others - rugby union being perhaps the best example.

Disclaimer: I'm not actually advocating that someone should check themselves into a sanitorium because of their stance on where Australia's biggest sporting events are ranked, anymore than someone saying 'go f*** yourself' is literally advising someone else to go and somehow contort themselves into a position where the can penetrate themselves. If that is how it was taken, I apologise.

Why is AFL going to be magically better if more people watch it? Yes I understand that it means more money but it doesn't equate to a better product.

And yes I'm familiar with how 'typing Melbourne Cup ratings' into a search engine works. It is literally never, ever going to reflect reality though, is it, as the race literally stops basically everyone in the nation for 3 minutes and the majority of people who watch it are either working or at a one-screen venue
 

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Disclaimer: I'm not actually advocating that someone should check themselves into a sanitorium because of their stance on where Australia's biggest sporting events are ranked, anymore than someone saying 'go f*** yourself' is literally advising someone else to go and somehow contort themselves into a position where the can penetrate themselves. If that is how it was taken, I apologise.
It is not how about whether or not I took it literally. I would recommend the auto-coital advice if you need to be abusive above mental health references in this day and age

Note that it wasn't about me taking offence it was about the absurdness of your whole entry was predicated on a superior way of being whilst you are making multiple references to peoples mental capacity and health.

Why is AFL going to be magically better if more people watch it? Yes I understand that it means more money but it doesn't equate to a better product.

Over time more people watching it equals more resources (including better players, stadia, broadcast quality etc)


And yes I'm familiar with how 'typing Melbourne Cup ratings' into a search engine works. It is literally never, ever going to reflect reality though, is it, as the race literally stops basically everyone in the nation for 3 minutes and the majority of people who watch it are either working or at a one-screen venue
I linked to a general "did you watch it" survey from a market research firm not an OZ Tam ratings box survey.
 

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It is not how about whether or not I took it literally. I would recommend the auto-coital advice if you need to be abusive above mental health references in this day and age

Note that it wasn't about me taking offence it was about the absurdness of your whole entry was predicated on a superior way of being whilst you are making multiple references to peoples mental capacity and health.




Over time more people watching it equals more resources (including better players, stadia, broadcast quality etc)




I linked to a general "did you watch it" survey from a market research firm not an OZ Tam ratings box survey.

Again, it's a survey. There is literally no way of knowing EXACTLY how many people of any sporting persuasion watched anything but every workplace in Australia that I'm aware of bar workplaces that actively maybe campaign against horseracing, stop to watch the race. Yes the AFL grand final - like SOO for that matter - draws casual viewers that don't watch any other AFL matches across the year but not on anywhere near the same scale.
 

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Why does this get treated like a battle? A post above literally talks about 'cutting off the supply' to rugby league.
I'm sorry my choice of words has upset you.

WTF for? Is the human brain that devoid of depth these days that following two different codes becomes too much? Is there a fear that amongst the roughly 2 million Australian men between 15-35 that there will suddenly not be enough to sustain the AFL because Rugby League has stacked its ranks with 2 metre ruckmen? Help me out here.
I do watch rugby league and soccer from time to time, actually. But since I think Australian rules is a better game, I want the best athletes playing it, so it can put out the best product possible. Also I think it's a good thing if one football code can bring the whole nation together.
 

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I'm sorry my choice of words has upset you.


I do watch rugby league and soccer from time to time, actually. But since I think Australian rules is a better game, I want the best athletes playing it, so it can put out the best product possible. Also I think it's a good thing if one football code can bring the whole nation together.

i don't think the best athletes for AFL are ever going to come from the general talent pool of rugby league. There may be a very small section of league players who would make the physical crossover comfortably but I think it would be in the minority. I love league but the best players in it - save for maybe a James Tedesco or someone, gee I can't see a lot of them that would have anything to offer in AFL.
 

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