All Australian Team 08

[AD03]

If Judd gets in ahead of Deledio purely because hes Judd, I'll spew.

I think you'll find it's more likely that Judd will get in ahead of Deledio purely because he's had a better year than Deledio!

 

[richmond fanatic]

I think you'll find it's more likely that Judd will get in ahead of Deledio purely because he's had a better year than Deledio!

Ye? Get in touch mate

Deledio: 11 kicks, 13 handballs, 6 marks, 1 goal, 2 tackles, 4 i/50's, 2 goal assists per game.

Judd: 12 kicks, 12 handballs, 2 marks, 1 goal, 3 tackles, 4 i/50's 2 goal assists per game.

Deledio edges him just

 

[AG]

B: Tom Harley (vc); Matthew Scarlett; Dale Morris
HB: Craig Bolton; Nathan Bock; Corey Enright
C: Brent Harvey; Brett Kirk (c); Jimmy Bartel
HF: Ryan O'Keefe; Lance Franklin; Matthew Richardson
F: Paul Medhurst; Brendan Fevola; Jason Akermanis
R: Dean Cox; Gary Ablett Jr; Adam Cooney
INT: David Hille; Sam Mitchell; Simon Black; Matthew Pavlich

The ones in red would be certanties at this stage.

With two spots being Hille vs Jolly and Pavlich vs Riewoldt

The others are all opinion based.

 

[pacman]

Ok people, lets look at the shoe ins, IMO

N.Bock - Has become an A grade key back
Akermanis - Has not played like this since his AA/Brownlow years with the lions.
G.Ablett - Is one of the favorites come brownlow night,
B.Harvey - See above
J.Bartell - See above
M.Pavlich - One of few shining lights in, some what a dismal season.
May surprise some people, but S.Johnson - Is playing just aswell this year if not better than last year,
R.O'Keefe - Is the best hit up, 3rd tall forward in the game.
Riewoldt - Career best form, winning games finally,
Cox - Is still dominating with a broken foot (am not sure on the extent of the injury) Hille has been good but, cox has been good over an extended period of time.

Players to discount.

H.Shaw - Pies up, shaw up, pies down, shaw down.
B.Lake - Someone has already metnioned this, but is struggling to handle the power forwards.
Didak - Is not too bad, but their are better players out their, IMO

A few iffy players:
Medhurst - Has finally being hitting heights that was once placed on him,
Judd - Awesome when he has played, but not sure if he has been up to it all year.
Hille - Yes AA over the past 6 weeks, their have been 17 weeks to date,
Sandilands - Yes he gets 'hitouts' but why not to advantage, soes he really hold his own around the ground like a Hile or Cox, no not really,
Petrie - For mine, the best utility in the game, works around the ground aswell as being able to play in multiple postions.
Just a few players to think about.

Thoughts::

No Franklin for shoe ins. C'mon

 

[AG]

Heath Shaw would be very lucky, had a pretty bad season. Sam Fisher and Andrew Mackie would have to be in front of him as rushing backs.

Most defenders would be in front of Heath Shaw at the moment. Rushing backs? Is this the NFL now.

 

[TassieSaint]

B: Hudghton Scarlett Bolton
HB: Hodge Bock Kirk
C: Corey Black Harvey
HF: Murphy Richardson Didak
F: Akermanis Franklin Riewoldt
R: Cox Ablett Cooney

Int: Hille Pavlich Mitchell Hayes

 

[Yoda_]

Dale Morris (W.B) . . . . Matthew Scarlett (Geel). . . Daniel Pratt (KANG)

Corey Enright (GEEL). . . Nathan Bock (ADEL). . . . . . Sam Fisher (ST.K)

Brent Harvey (KANG). . . Brett Kirk (SYD) . . . . . . . . Adam Cooney (W.B)

Steven Johnson (GEEL) . Matthew Pavlich (FREM) . . Robert Murphy (W.B)

Jason Akermanis (W.B) . B.Fevola (CARL) . . . . . . . Lance Franklin (HAW)

Dean Cox (WCE) . . . . . G.Ablett (GEEL) . . . . . . . J.Bartell (GEEL)

Paul Medhurst (COLL) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Matthew Richardson (RICH)

Simon Black (BRIS) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . David Hille (ESS)

Dale Morris - Underated backmen, has been one of the premier small men of the comp
20th for %1, and a middle of the road tackler,
Matthew Scarlett - Consistantly beats his bigger stronger opponents, no one else is really worth a mention.
Daniel Pratt - Smoky, Continually puts his body on the line, is on top for rebound 50 (79) is also uper table of %1 (46)
Has been on the biggest improvers in 2008, a trier and a real goer.
Corey Enright - Has been a good ball winner but has really started to turn it on with his run out of defence and the likes
Top 20 for rebound 50s,top 20 for disposals with over 400 posessions (401)
Nathan Bock - Has stamped himself on the competition when he outplayed Franklin, hands down.24th overall for %1, nearly 400 touches for a kp, 66 rebound 50 = 4th, 6th for marks aswell.
Sam Fisher - Has been just as good as last year, in top 20 for both rebound 50's (58 = 10th) and also %1 (75 - 20th)
Brent Harvey - Dominant small man, 11th for disposals, 17goals + 16 assists,
Brett Kirk - The general of the platoon of mids at sydney, top 20 for disposalls, leading tackler,
Adam Cooney - 4th for diposals, and is the leading goal kicking midfielder in the comp, pure midfielder, (18) works both ends of the ground with a number of rebound 502 (39)
Steven Johnson - Is up their with last years form, is 19th for inside 50s (71) is 14th for overall goals (37), and is 4th overall for Goal assists (18)
M.Pavlicht - Has been the premier CHF in the comp, although been used in a variety of roles, is in the top 10 for both goal assists (16th -> 9th) and also inside 50s (83 -> 8th), is 3rd overall for goals, so plays CHF perfectly.
Robert Murphy - Leading player for inside 50s (99), is in top 30 for Goal Assist (13) and is 4th overall for general marks.
Has been super this year.
Jason Akermanis - Picked him over Medhurst, as he has won games off his own boot this year, yes medhuerst is the laeding small forward, but akermanis has, won games by himself for the doggies.
Brendon Fevola - Picked him at Full forward ahead of franklin as I thought he would be better value out of the square,
Lance Franklin - Can kick freak goals when roving, and is a very good one at that.
Dean Cox - Clearly the best big man in the game, is still 2nd overall for hitouts, is the leading possesion getter for all ruckmen, and works both ends of the ground with a broken foot, is still the best ruck in the comp, not by as much though.
Gary Ablett - The best small man in the game, wins his own ball, gets the loose ball, kicks goals, does everything, dont be surprised if he walks awa with a brownlow this year,
James Bartell - Placed him on the ball ahead of Cooney and Harvey, as I think he is a better clearance player, is a smarter player, and it has shown this year, when it was wer, he threw it on the boot, in the dry he would clear the ball.
Paul Medhurst - Is the shining light for the pies, is starting to show some promise, is the leading goal kicker for all small forwards and is 7th overall with 46 goals, and is 16th overall for inside 50s with 73, and is in the top 10 for overall marks.
Matthew Richardson - A change of position has been a godsend for this veteran, is leading mark taker (174) 10th for goals (42)
Simon Black - Second best inside midfielder (1st clearances, 21st tackles, 437 posessions -> 6th)
David Hille - 6th for hitouts, 5th for clearances by all ruckmen, 2nd for contested marks by ruckmen, and is equal top for goals by pure ruckmen) has been at the forfront of nearly all of Essendons win this year, and dont be surprised to see the big fella get an AA guernsey.

 

[crows97]

Havent heard the Porps name thrown around much, he would be a shoe in for the small forward position

 

[Yoda_]

Havent heard the Porps name thrown around much, he would be a shoe in for the small forward position

good point::

Fair call>> dont know if he would get a guernsey though.

 

[electrobeets]

B S. FISHER SCARLETT PRATT

HB H. SHAW BOCK MACKIE

C BLACK ABLETT COREY

HF RICHARDSON PAVLICH HARVEY

F MEDHURST FRANKLIN FEVOLA

FOLL COX COONEY BARTEL

INT GRIFFIN, BRADSHAW, MITCHELL, ENRIGHT

I reckon im spot on what do u guys think

 

[Bollox]

B S. FISHER SCARLETT PRATT

HB H. SHAW BOCK MACKIE

C BLACK ABLETT COREY

HF RICHARDSON PAVLICH HARVEY

F MEDHURST FRANKLIN FEVOLA

FOLL COX COONEY BARTEL

INT GRIFFIN, BRADSHAW, MITCHELL, ENRIGHT

I reckon im spot on what do u guys think

I think u overrate those HBF's bigtime

 

[STC]

I just mean that at least one of the backs would have to be one who can run with the ball. Mackie is good defensively and attacking.

 

[The Final Word]

B S. FISHER SCARLETT PRATT

HB H. SHAW BOCK MACKIE

C BLACK ABLETT COREY

HF RICHARDSON PAVLICH HARVEY

F MEDHURST FRANKLIN FEVOLA

FOLL COX COONEY BARTEL

INT GRIFFIN, BRADSHAW, MITCHELL, ENRIGHT

I reckon im spot on what do u guys think

Bollox is right, what exactly has Heath Shaw done to deserve selection this season? Enright and Mackie won't make it ahead of Tom Harley.

And you've forgotten a ruckman on the bench. Other than that you're pretty close.

In: Big Sandi, Harley, Bolton, Delidio

Out: Mackie, Shaw, Enright, Medhurst

 

[STC]

I reckon that Mackie is a better chance than Harley to be honest, though I have no doubt that Harley is more important, Mackie seems to catch the eye more.

 

[Bollox]

I just mean that at least one of the backs would have to be one who can run with the ball. Mackie is good defensively and attacking.

...and also behind guys who are better defensively and just as attacking.

To me Mackie has done little. No idea why he's even in consideration in some ppls team.

Whilst Geelong fans may not like to hear this...he really does look like an average player looking better than he is due to being in a great side. One on one he's about as useful as Grant Birchall and whilst he's handy to pick up the scraps and set up some attack i cant see him in the mix anywhere.

Is becoming more consistent but AA standard ?...gimme a break. MUCH better this season going around even from his own club.

 

[The Zebra]

Dale Morris (W.B) . . . . Matthew Scarlett (Geel). . . Daniel Pratt (KANG)

Corey Enright (GEEL). . . Nathan Bock (ADEL). . . . . . Sam Fisher (ST.K)

Brent Harvey (KANG). . . Brett Kirk (SYD) . . . . . . . . Adam Cooney (W.B)

Steven Johnson (GEEL) . Matthew Pavlich (FREM) . . Robert Murphy (W.B)

Jason Akermanis (W.B) . B.Fevola (CARL) . . . . . . . Lance Franklin (HAW)

Dean Cox (WCE) . . . . . G.Ablett (GEEL) . . . . . . . J.Bartell (GEEL)

Paul Medhurst (COLL) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Matthew Richardson (RICH)

Simon Black (BRIS) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . David Hille (ESS)

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Very good team. I would have O'Keefe for Murphy and probably Harley or Bolton for Fisher, but hard to fault other wise

 

[Z_K]

Very good team. I would have O'Keefe for Murphy and probably Harley or Bolton for Fisher, but hard to fault other wise

I don't reckon Pratt has been good enough this year. His 2007 was better I reckon.

Petrie playing every position on field kills him for things like AA spots, but he has been outrageous this year. Hasn't had a game sub-10 posessions, has a shitload of hitouts, kicked goals, tackles like a bastard.

 

[Winner]

Hitouts- Cox 462 v Hille 324- Cox leading by over 40%
Disposals- Cox 373 v Hille 285 - Cox gets over 30% more
Marks- Cox 99 v Hille 92
Contested possessions- Cox 147 v Hille 141
Clearances- Cox 73 v Hille 52
Inside 50's- Cox 54 v Hille 51
Rebound 50's- Cox 42 v Hille 21
Bounces- Cox 16 v Hille 2
Uncontested possessions- Cox 224 v Hille 137
Disposal efficiency- Cox 68.6% v Hille 65.4%
Goal assists- Cox 6 v Hille 4
Clangers- Cox 47 v Hille 43- Yay Hille won, although he wins a lot less of the ball to stuff up
Contested marks- Cox 9 v Hille 22
Goals- Cox 9 v Hille 16

You choose stupid stats to favour Cox. How is bounces an important stat for a ruckmen?

You should have added 1%ers - Hille 37 v Cox 24 (most underrated stat in the game)

I'm not denying that Cox is good however I'm just saying that stats are stupid and can be used to prove anything - Just because someone gets more of it doesn't mean they are a better player (Priddis for example). Hille has had a far greater influence and has won several games off of his own boot this year, in fact probably more games than West Coast has won in total.

When it was Hille vs Cox in the ruck - Cox got absolutely smashed.

Hille Vs Cox in a match:
Disposals - David Hille 27 - Dean Cox 14
Hit outs - David Hille 22 - Dean Cox 29
Marks - David Hille 9 - Dean Cox 5
Contested Marks - David Hille 2 - Dean Cox 0
Disposal Efficiency - David Hille 74% - Dean Cox 64%
Clearances - David Hille 3 - Dean Cox 2
Inside 50's - David Hille 6 - Dean Cox 2
Goals - David Hille 3 - Dean Cox 0
Contested Possessions - David Hille 14 - Dean Cox 5 (smashed).

See how easy it is to prove someone is better than someone else by statistics? The fact is David Hille has had more of an impact on games and been more of a match winner and dominant player than Cox has this year. The media know's it, anyone who has watched Hille play this year knows it and he will be AA ruckmen without a doubt.

 

[The Zebra]

I don't reckon Pratt has been good enough this year. His 2007 was better I reckon.

Petrie playing every position on field kills him for things like AA spots, but he has been outrageous this year. Hasn't had a game sub-10 posessions, has a shitload of hitouts, kicked goals, tackles like a bastard.

I reckon Pratt is knee deep in the mix. Averages 19 possessions, in the top few for rebound 50s, gets a heap of inside 50s for a defender, pushes up into the midfield and unlike a lot of the other rebounding back pockets, he has the ability to shut down a player defensively and he goes in blindly to packs/contests.

His 2007 was better defensively, but his offensive side has come out and he has played some awesome football this year. I reckon his 2008 is better than his 2007.

Drew won't make it because they will classify him as a ruck.

 

[Last Line Hero]

...and also behind guys who are better defensively and just as attacking.

To me Mackie has done little. No idea why he's even in consideration in some ppls team.

Whilst Geelong fans may not like to hear this...he really does look like an average player looking better than he is due to being in a great side. One on one he's about as useful as Grant Birchall and whilst he's handy to pick up the scraps and set up some attack i cant see him in the mix anywhere.

Is becoming more consistent but AA standard ?...gimme a break. MUCH better this season going around even from his own club.

Alot of Cats fans, including me, will agree that he hasn't been great this year, perhaps even a little disappointing. He has improved a lot in recent weeks but definetely not an AA calibre player. He is one who doesn't escape criticism from us believe me.

 

[Quinz]

You choose stupid stats to favour Cox. How is bounces an important stat for a ruckmen?

No, I chose important stats, the fact that Cox won them all doesn't mean I was biased in my selection, it simply means he's far outperforming Hille.

You should have added 1%ers - Hille 37 v Cox 24 (most underrated stat in the game)

More important for defenders. The most important statistics for a ruckman are hitouts won/hitouts to advantage (both of which Hille is getting smashed in), then clearances and inside 50's, showing an ability to contribute to the side after the ball has hit the ground (Cox leads both of these two btw).

I'm not denying that Cox is good however I'm just saying that stats are stupid and can be used to prove anything - Just because someone gets more of it doesn't mean they are a better player (Priddis for example). Hille has had a far greater influence and has won several games off of his own boot this year, in fact probably more games than West Coast has won in total.

Disposal stats by themselves may be useless, which is why I included other stats to get a more complete picture (Hitouts, clearances, inside 50's, contested possessions etc.), and it became even more obvious that Hille is not at the same standard as Cox.

When it was Hille vs Cox in the ruck - Cox got absolutely smashed.

Hille Vs Cox in a match:
Disposals - David Hille 27 - Dean Cox 14
Hit outs - David Hille 22 - Dean Cox 29
Marks - David Hille 9 - Dean Cox 5
Contested Marks - David Hille 2 - Dean Cox 0
Disposal Efficiency - David Hille 74% - Dean Cox 64%
Clearances - David Hille 3 - Dean Cox 2
Inside 50's - David Hille 6 - Dean Cox 2
Goals - David Hille 3 - Dean Cox 0
Contested Possessions - David Hille 14 - Dean Cox 5 (smashed).

See how easy it is to prove someone is better than someone else by statistics?

That's nice. Totally pointless though. One game is really not important in the context of the whole season. He had a good game, and well done, but it doesn't undo the season long dominance that Cox has had over every other ruckman.

The fact is David Hille has had more of an impact on games and been more of a match winner and dominant player than Cox has this year. The media know's it, anyone who has watched Hille play this year knows it and he will be AA ruckmen without a doubt.

He may be AA ruckman, but only on the bench. Unless of course Cox doesn't play out the rest of the season, although as I have said he does have the advantage of playing for a Victorian side, while Cox is playing in a bottom four side across the other side of the country. The media bias may drive him to a spot that he doesn't deserve, but we'll have to wait and see.

Cox clearly better for mine, and rational football supporters (including most from your own club) would agree with me.

Cheers.

 

[The Pies Are In Front]

Ummmmm Medhurst???

 

[Ya Can't See Me!]

Anyone without Ryan O Keefe in thee team cannot be taken seriously!


B: Gilbee Scarlett Carrazzo

HB: Enright Milburn Burgoyne.P

C: Black Ablett Harvey

HF: O Keefe Pavlich Akermanis

F: Fevola Franklin Medhurst

R: Hille Bartel Cooney

Int: J.Brown, Cox, Richardson, Judd

Emer: Deledio, Kirk, Thompson, Mc Veigh

 

[AG]

Anyone without Ryan O Keefe in thee team cannot be taken seriously!


B: Gilbee Scarlett Carrazzo

HB: Enright Milburn Burgoyne.P

C: Black Ablett Harvey

HF: O Keefe Pavlich Akermanis

F: Fevola Franklin Medhurst

R: Hille Bartel Cooney

Int: J.Brown, Cox, Richardson, Judd

Emer: Deledio, Kirk, Thompson, Mc Veigh

That's a shocking defensive 6.

 

[Last Line Hero]

Anyone without Ryan O Keefe in thee team cannot be taken seriously!


B: Gilbee Scarlett Carrazzo

HB: Enright Milburn Burgoyne.P

C: Black Ablett Harvey

HF: O Keefe Pavlich Akermanis

F: Fevola Franklin Medhurst

R: Hille Bartel Cooney

Int: J.Brown, Cox, Richardson, Judd

Emer: Deledio, Kirk, Thompson, Mc Veigh

Are you taking the piss?

Carrazzo and Burgoyne.

You couldn't have kept a straight face creating this team.