Andy Otten's positional history

[The Sloane Ranger]

i used both arguments .....but in the end, the clubs view is the major decider ......Otten's 2 year contract extension shows what the club thinks of Otten ......and they have to make hard calls

Or it shows what the club thinks of our KPD depth and what may be available in the market

 

[1970crow]

i used both arguments .....but in the end, the clubs view is the major decider ......Otten's 2 year contract extension shows what the club thinks of Otten ......and they have to make hard calls

Just like Dmac's 4 years show what they thought of him. Sometimes they get it wrong. Giving both Shaw and Otten the extra year was interesting seeing as both their natural roles are as a 3rd tall defender.where both VB and Lever would be ahead. Shaw is easier for me to understand because if he is completely over his hamstring issues, then he could easily boom and be valuable as a player or at the trade table. I find it harder to see Otten being in great demand or being much more than the backup to a backup.

They probably know how many rounds they'll be selecting in next year and who will be going. So having done the math, they'd gave a strong idea as to whether he'd be getting delisted. And with a young list already I doubt we'll be going into the 4th round of the draft.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Or it shows what the club thinks of our KPD depth and what may be available in the market

Not necessarily KPD .....but yes KPP strength would factor into their decision process, as it would with any player being contracted or delisted

 

[Sanders]

No-one touted Otten except some BF posters ......was never a midfielder at AFL level, but he is a natural forward

otten was a midfielder. drafted as a midfielder, played SANFL as a midfielder, got a chance on a HBF in the AFL side to start with. he wasn't just a midfielder, he was a prolific, ball magnet type. his ability to read the play, and a buit of size, got him his chance as 3rd man up down back

he was compared to an Andrew Embley type wingman.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Cmon ....get your context right ! .......recruited as a Forwrd/mid is one thing .......he had played all his footy back and was touted on this board as a midfielder ONLY because of media reports, not some glorious incite by anyone

They are separate discussions on different timelines that you can't merge together because it suits your purpose ......get the context of the statements made correct

I believe you are wrong regarding Otten. His first year with South Adelaide he was played exclusively as a midfielder at the club's urging and he was regularly in South's best player and getting touches in high 20s.

His first year in the AFL he got introduced to the league as a half back flanker and people forget just how good he was in that role. He was a runner up in the rising star award in his first year in the AFL. Then other factors came into play and he will never play midfield in the AFL but he was pencilled in as one for the long term.

 

[Elite Crow]

I believe you are wrong regarding Otten. His first year with South Adelaide he was played exclusively as a midfielder at the club's urging and he was regularly in South's best player and getting touches in high 20s.

His first year in the AFL he got introduced to the league as a half back flanker and people forget just how good he was in that role. He was a runner up in the rising star award in his first year in the AFL. Then other factors came into play and he will never play midfield in the AFL but he was pencilled in as one for the long term.

He was a gun and it's a shame how his career has gone.

 

[Sanders]

I believe you are wrong regarding Otten. His first year with South Adelaide he was played exclusively as a midfielder at the club's urging and he was regularly in South's best player and getting touches in high 20s.

this

 

[lunacy]

Andy otten is a most natural backmen.

Yeah hopefully in the SANFL.

 

[lunacy]

Cmon ....now you're guessing to support your argument that he's more a backman .....he played his WHOLE junior career ..and was drafted by us as a forward/mid

Fact is anyone who knows footy and leading patterns will tell you Otten has those instincts that you can't teach a Jenkins ......who wouldn't know lateral movement if it hit him in the face

Haha so Otten was drafted as a fwd/mid AND is a more natural forward than Jenkins?

C'mon WW you're better than that.

 

[lunacy]

silly analysis .......firstly football is about watching the game ...not watching the stats book

Otherwise ...choose a team each week based on player stats

In recruiting .....why have recruiting teams at all ......simply look at each U18 players stats ......that's what Richmond used to do, along with brief video tape visuals .....WOW that worked beautifully for them

Jenkins plays every game as a forward ......Otten filled in after Tex went down and had not trained at all with the forwards

But ok ....if we're going to argue this on Stats

Jenkins (2013) 24 goals 24 behinds .....from 17 games
Otten (2013) 15 goals 4 behinds .........from 17 games (can't remember if he played forward straight after Tex was injured)?

And Jenkins wasn't playing full time as a forward (ruck too).

We are in big trouble if/when Otten is discussed as our preferred forward.

 

[lunacy]

i used both arguments .....but in the end, the clubs view is the major decider ......Otten's 2 year contract extension shows what the club thinks of Otten ......and they have to make hard calls

Like Mackay's 4 yr deal?

I put Otten in the same basket as Mackay & VB.

All 3 showed promise as youngsters, but for varying reasons, all 3 are finished IMO.

Otten can't be considered in the midfield anymore.

In defense, I'd have him behind Lever, Cheney, Shaw & Kelly for the 3rd tall role (although I'd play Kelly on mediums sized forwards not 3rd talls).

As a forward I'd have him behind Tex, Lynch, McGovern (even though he hasn't played a game), and I'd even try using Menzel in that role before Otten (even though it's not Menzel's ideal role).

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Otten is a good player. A smart footballer. The type who is reasonable in almost any role on the ground. He even was ok in the ruck when we ran out of talls that time.

Issue with him now is his mobility after two knee reconstructions. Has limited him to that 2nd/3rd tall role at either end of the ground.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Haha so Otten was drafted as a fwd/mid AND is a more natural forward than Jenkins?

C'mon WW you're better than that.

You should know i don't shoot from the hip .......did you watch his U18 championship year and Oakleigh games?? .....i did

So in case i need to support what i post :

Phantom Draft: Matt Burgan

26 – SYDNEY – ANDY OTTEN
Oakleigh Chargers, VIC, Tall forward, May 15 1989, 191cm, 88.8kg
Otten has continued to firm as a top 30 selection and could even be a first-round selection. Don't rule out the Sydney Swans at No.11, as they rate him highly. This will be the Swans last “live” pick, as Craig Bird (No.59) has already been claimed through the NSW scholarship program. Others in the mix at No.26, depending on availability, include Harry Taylor, Callan Ward, Steven Gaertner, Jarrhan Jacky, Marlon Motlop and Chris Mayne. One recruiter believes Otten is similar to Collingwood's Scott Pendlebury.
Bio: A prolific ball winner, he averaged more than 26 possessions and six marks per game with the Oakleigh Chargers in 2007 and capped off an outstanding season by taking out the best and fairest award and TAC Cup Team of the Year honours. He recorded strong results at the 2007 NAB AFL Draft Camp, ranking in the top 2 per cent for the vertical leap (92cm) and the top 20 per cent for the beep test (14.2).

Quote: NikkiNoo 2007
2006 - played as chf, 2007 played as a midfielder, nice mix there.

Quote: TOA 2007
Pick 30 – Adelaide – Andrew OTTEN (15/05/89) 192/86
Otten is a very attractive size for a modern player and can play through the midfield and up forward. He should be taken somewhere in the second round with Hawthorn, Adelaide, Sydney and Kangaroos all showing interest.

Quote: Darcytiger 2007
Andy is a great player but i dont think that he will play KPP. I believe that he will be a tall (Adam Goodes like) midfielder, he plays there for school and Oakliegh and is showing how damaging he can be. Failing that he slots in very well on the HFF. I would love to see him at the Tigers.
Here are his stats for this year if you didnt see it on the 'Mock 25! its started' thread:

Quote: HBF 2007
I've seen him play forward, back and in the midfield. A pretty impressive kid who should go in the second round if you ask me.

So Where did i get the impression from of a Midfielder /Mid ........just every video ....most games ....and a lot of very well respected BF posters views at the time in 2007

 

[WaynesWorld19]

And Jenkins wasn't playing full time as a forward (ruck too).

We are in big trouble if/when Otten is discussed as our preferred forward.

Why are we? ......tell me if Otten is more forward or back in this video ? .......at least iam backing my position up ? ....over to you



BTW in answering Lunacy it became apparent that pace has never been Ottens friend ......hover he was ranked highly in agility and repeat sprints .......think the knee injuries impacted his agility more than speed

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Like Mackay's 4 yr deal?

I put Otten in the same basket as Mackay & VB.

All 3 showed promise as youngsters, but for varying reasons, all 3 are finished IMO.

Otten can't be considered in the midfield anymore.

In defense, I'd have him behind Lever, Cheney, Shaw & Kelly for the 3rd tall role (although I'd play Kelly on mediums sized forwards not 3rd talls).

As a forward I'd have him behind Tex, Lynch, McGovern (even though he hasn't played a game), and I'd even try using Menzel in that role before Otten (even though it's not Menzel's ideal role).

Cmon .....how can you rank players at this time of the year and not seen any players train ?

How can you pidgeon hole Otten after not seeing him play effectively for 18 months ?

How can you rank McGovern higher, when again you have no evidence, haven't seen him play or train ......and sorry IMO you HOPE McGovern is better

You've criticized my posts ......i have responded with evidentiary support of my posts

Your posts however have no basis for their presentation .......now you may end up being correct ....but ATS of the season no-one has much of an idea on players who'll step up or fall away

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

So Where did i get the impression from of a Midfielder /Mid ........just every video ....most games ....and a lot of very well respected BF posters views at the time in 2007

Wasn't it you busy saying that he WASN'T ever a mid a couple of pages ago?

 

[dogs105]

Wasn't it you busy saying that he WASN'T ever a mid a couple of pages ago?

He said recruited as a forward/mid, Never a mid at AFL level, in 2 different arguments.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Wasn't it you busy saying that he WASN'T ever a mid a couple of pages ago?

Go your hardest to find where i said that

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Go your hardest to find where i said that

You said the idea of Otten as a mid was an invention of a few BigFooty posters with no basis in reality

 

[WaynesWorld19]

You said the idea of Otten as a mid was an invention of a few BigFooty posters with no basis in reality

As i said find my quote .....but don't put words in my mouth .....if i said it, find it ....cause you wont and certainly not in the context you seem to be TRYING to associate with me

 

[Squiba]

*Fact check*

Never an AFL Mid, so not necessarily never a mid, but never one at AFL level. So WW I right there.

However, the way it comes across, is that the idea of him being a forward were similar. Played fwd outside of AFL, talked about by the media/recruiters etc but never really came to fruition in the AFL.

I think some times WW struggles to put exactly what he means in writing, as do I at times. I'm sure if he was talking directly to us, he'd come across more clearly. As would 50% of the posters on BF.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

*Fact check*

Never an AFL Mid, so not necessarily never a mid, but never one at AFL level. So WW I right there.

No, not right.

The original point I made was that Otten was a player once touted as a future midfielder who DIDN'T end up playing there.

That was the starting point of the conversation.

WW pointing out that Otten never played AFL as a mid... yeah, no shit. In other words, what I said.

The issue is whether he was ever talked of as being a midfielder at AFL level.

After his breakthrough Rising Star runner up season he was training with our midfield group in the 2009/10 preseason when he first did his knee.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

*Fact check*

Never an AFL Mid, so not necessarily never a mid, but never one at AFL level. So WW I right there.

However, the way it comes across, is that the idea of him being a forward were similar. Played fwd outside of AFL, talked about by the media/recruiters etc but never really came to fruition in the AFL.

I think some times WW struggles to put exactly what he means in writing, as do I at times. I'm sure if he was talking directly to us, he'd come across more clearly. As would 50% of the posters on BF.

No ...actually there's normally a string of posts to the message .......just that people don't actually read b4 reacting to what they think was said .......me and the group of personalities i speak to in my head, know exactly which personality posted and what that personality said

 

[Squiba]

No, not right.

The original point I made was that Otten was a player once touted as a future midfielder who DIDN'T end up playing there.

That was the starting point of the conversation.

WW pointing out that Otten never played AFL as a mid... yeah, no shit. In other words, what I said.

The issue is whether he was ever talked of as being a midfielder at AFL level.

After his breakthrough Rising Star runner up season he was training with our midfield group in the 2009/10 preseason when he first did his knee.

Yeah I agree with that? Maybe my post didn't lay things out as clearly as I thought.

And WW I find it pretty hard to follow your posts clearly. I think far less people would disagree with you if your posts came across clearly. Either that or you have some very weird opinions?

 

[dylan123]

Yes I removed the irrelevant parts about Charlie Cameron and Graham Johncock

Kinda pointless trying to get WW to admit he was wrong, not going to happen.