Apple Isle Showdown: Tas Govt threatens to end Hawks, North deals if no plan for 19th side

[Bjo187]

I find it funny people point out tassies small population of 540k when nth Queensland has a team in the nrl with a population of 280k spread over a wide area that do ok. Also tassie has a massive ex pat population on the mainland.

 

[telsor]

Less than 4,000 at the game today. If Tassie really wanted to show that a new side would be viable, they would be much better off turning up and getting behind the games IMO.

As I've said before, the most powerful 'message' Tas fans could send on this one is to have rallies/protest meetings outside games.

If only 4,000 went in and saw the game, but 10,000+ were gathered outside with signs, etc. saying they want a Tas team, that would send a message lot louder than either high or low attendance at games would.

Do it for every game and it would be both clear and impossible to ignore.

 

[telsor]

I find it funny people point out tassies small population of 540k when nth Queensland has a team in the nrl with a population of 280k spread over a wide area that do ok. Also tassie has a massive ex pat population on the mainland.

Go check out how much it costs to run an AFL team Vs a NRL team.

 

[telsor]

You can make that three.

The AFL don't want a Tasmanian team and they will ensure, one way or another, that that is the outcome.

They simply don't care about the state or the game there.

Those statements don't necessarily go together.

It's possible to think a Tas team isn't viable without 'not caring' about the game there.

If the government doesn't build a fully kitted out, top standard, hospital in every medium sized town, does it mean they don't care about the health of people there, or rather that they figure it's just not the best use of limited resources?

 

[JohnZ]

Go check out how much it costs to run an AFL team Vs a NRL team.

Genuinely curious, what are the comparative costs? No clue how to find out that info.

 

[Pessimistic]

Tassie to get double header this weekend.

let’s see if the boycott holds up

 

[Aussie in exile]

You can make that three.

The AFL don't want a Tasmanian team and they will ensure, one way or another, that that is the outcome.

They simply don't care about the state or the game there.

And in the mean time gift GWS and the Suns $40 million a year just to tread water

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

Geelong and Doggies get to stay in vic with no crowds but Hawks vs Essendon have to play in Tassie?

what a joke

 

[Tasmanian saint]

That's 3k more than what this game would've got in Melbourne

And to think north will make 800k-1millon from it you can see why the fifo clubs don’t want to loose there cash cow

 

[Tasmanian saint]

No other bid has required review by the league. Thats because no bid has been entered that wasnt first proposed or investigated by the AFL itself - in most cases - particularly since 1991 - being a case of "well we're putting a license here, now put a team together to run it if you can" scenario. The league hasnt sought a Tasmanian license, this is unsolicited - if the AFL wanted you to have a team, they'd have said ok heres a license and the rest would just be details, instead the league has repeatedly said they dont believe its a viable proposition.

Didn’t port Adelaide put a number of bids in for a side through out the eighties and early nineties before finally being accepted

 

[madmug]

As I've said before, the most powerful 'message' Tas fans could send on this one is to have rallies/protest meetings outside games.

If only 4,000 went in and saw the game, but 10,000+ were gathered outside with signs, etc. saying they want a Tas team, that would send a message lot louder than either high or low attendance at games would.

Do it for every game and it would be both clear and impossible to ignore.

Please show some 'evidence' the AFL listen to anyone.

Also what is the point of that when no one has had to do that before.

The AFL 'boys club' will do there own thing, one way or the other.

The 4000 is a message, it reads 'no one GAF about NM or GWS'.

 

[LoungeLizard]

Now crowds have decided not to turn up to Tassie games, if the AFL say sorry, no license, what will that mean for Tassie die hards, trips to Melbourne?

Tas Gov would not be happy with that surely?

 

[Tasmanian saint]

Genuinely curious, what are the comparative costs? No clue how to find out that info.

Afl salary cap is 13 million Nrl cap is around the 9 million mark about 4 million difference

 

[Tasmanian saint]

Now crowds have decided not to turn up to Tassie games, if the AFL say sorry, no license, what will that mean for Tassie die hards, trips to Melbourne?

Tas Gov would not be happy with that surely?

Been happing for decades plenty travel interstate for games each season Pryor to covid

 

[JohnZ]

Afl salary cap is 13 million Nrl cap is around the 9 million mark about 4 million difference

Oh you're talking salary cap. There's way more costs outside of a club than just the salaries paid to players, I thought you were talking about that.

 

[LoungeLizard]

Been happing for decades plenty travel interstate for games each season Pryor to covid

Beg pardon?

 

[Aussie in exile]

No, they are voting with their feet at being served up a crap product.

I wonder of that crowd how many freebies were given out?

 

[Devington]

I wonder of that crowd how many freebies were given out?

I haven't heard anything about the government or clubs handing out discounted/free tickets, which has actually surprised me. I may have just missed it though.

 

[The_Wookie]

Didn’t port Adelaide put a number of bids in for a side through out the eighties and early nineties before finally being accepted

Maybe before the AFL was ready to expand. In 1990 the AFL approved of a Port bid, but then said nah we'll take the sanfl instead. The 97 thing was the AFl saying we'll give a second license to SA, we'd like Port to have it, but hey you sa guys go through the motions of putting bids together. See also Freo which was essentially, the league signing off on a second wa license - actually not even the league, Alan Shwab pretty much did it off his own back and then told the Commission the deal was done - and leaving it to the WAFL to figure out who and how.

Planning for s second sydney team began in the late 90s, planning for Gold Coast was based around moving North there until 2007 when North definitively said no.

 

[pazza]

This week Tasmania has the case to showcase itself. How many Essendon fans will go to Launceston on Sunday for example.

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

Genuinely curious, what are the comparative costs? No clue how to find out that info.

About $45m for a bare-bones AFL club - that is around what North, St Kilda, and co. run on including AFL dividends, etc in a non-Covid year.

A Tasmanian club might be able to reduce that by a few million because they would get (similar to Geelong) practically free stadiums, and other leasing costs would be lower. That might take the break-even point to about $35-40m.

I'm not sure what a smaller NRL club would operate on, I would guess the Raiders are somewhere around $30m in an average year. Growjo (I can't vouch for the accuracy of this) estimates the Gold Coast Titans at $25.1m

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

This week Tasmania has the case to showcase itself. How many Essendon fans will go to Launceston on Sunday for example.

Quite a few, its the first time they have had the chance. Novelty factor for Tas based Bombers fans. Some will never have seen their team live before, others will have gone to Melbourne for games in the past. And Essendon has a fair bit of support in the under-40 age group across the state.
The time isn't ideal, people won't get back from in the south until after 8pm, but as a one-off people will do it (some weather dependent).

 

[fargothegreat]

Less than 4,000 at the game today. If Tassie really wanted to show that a new side would be viable, they would be much better off turning up and getting behind the games IMO.

Why would we go to North Melbourne games? Then the AFL would just say "oh this FIFO model is working great, they don't need their own team".

Not going sends a much stronger message.

 

[telsor]

Please show some 'evidence' the AFL listen to anyone.

Also what is the point of that when no one has had to do that before.

I believe that's already been answered...

No other bid has required review by the league. Thats because no bid has been entered that wasnt first proposed or investigated by the AFL itself - in most cases - particularly since 1991 - being a case of "well we're putting a license here, now put a team together to run it if you can" scenario. The league hasnt sought a Tasmanian license, this is unsolicited - if the AFL wanted you to have a team, they'd have said ok heres a license and the rest would just be details, instead the league has repeatedly said they dont believe its a viable proposition.

The AFL 'boys club' will do there own thing, one way or the other.

The 4000 is a message, it reads 'no one GAF about NM or GWS'.

I offered a suggestion as to how to be clearer in your messaging...if you don't want to/can't send a clear message, don't complain if nobody listens.

 

[telsor]

Genuinely curious, what are the comparative costs? No clue how to find out that info.

Industry board. The_Wookie kindly compiles and lists such information.