Apples' Training Reports

[Saintly Viewed]

He even talks while he's punting as well.

No doubt.

Actually I wonder who of our players is the biggest chatter boxes? Or which few?

 

[Big Bryza]

Yet there were pictures of Kirby during the post GF break in what appeared to be a private gym which to me says more about his attitude than dropping 9 seconds in comparative time trials. Glass 1/2 full, glass 1/2 empty.

People need to remember that endurance whilst important, is only one fitness component. Kirby is never going to be an aerobic animal but will make steady improvement each pre season he completes. As long as he continues to improve his other athletic components, strength, speed, power, agility, mobility etc then he will be doing all he can to become a good AFL player. It's just that the time trial is the only thing we can see as a supporter to indicate how 'fit' the players are, whereas it really is only one indicator of a players overall fitness.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Training always sounds like things are going super well.

Round 1 and half the teams start to flounder....

Be nice if it happens to Hawthorn

 

[Apex36]

10 years old....resemble the old man to a tee!!

Excellent. Hopefully they’re as good as their old man was.

 

[Pedro]

thanks champ....hows he looking?

Going well. He's still very slight imo but you can see that he's got 'it'

 

[Snoop Dog]

When has Kirby suggested midfield aspirations? Wasn't aware of that.

Sorry was meaning Scharenberg.

 

[Apex36]

Sorry was meaning Scharenberg.

At least berg is showing improvement. 9 seconds better than Novemeber.

 

[Scodog10]

Toumpas lacked pace (and wasn't adept inside the contest against the bigger bodies) which found him out at the top level not lacking in overall talent, a bit like Aish really in a lot of ways (in terms of having no stand out weapons and lacking pace although I rate aish higher).

Freeman is no good because his hammys are no good not because he lacks talent to play the game.


Skill goes hand in hand with talent, typically if you see someone very skilled you would say they have talent.

The rest are athletic traits, desire to succeed (Toumpas questionable here), ability to win the ball. etc.

I bet you weren’t saying that re Toumpas 3 years ago...

It ain’t Freeman’s hammies that held him back in 2017. He doesn’t have “it” and won’t make it regardless of his fitness or athletic gifts.

It’s all about talent for those two or a lack thereof. Which is my subjective view

Edit: the more I ponder this the more silly I feel for spinning my wheels on it. From my perspective rating a guy drafted at 57 only 15 months ago who’s shown a bit at both levels, but nothing amazing as lacking/ having no talent is premature not necessarily incorrect. Whereas you and no spin are approaching it as “his surname is Daicos that’s blasphemy” hell for perspective you were red hot that he debut rd 1 2017 so your view is as extreme as unnamed non-rater and I have to step away from the discussion.

 

[loki04]

I bet you weren’t saying that re Toumpas 3 years ago...

It ain’t Freeman’s hammies that held him back in 2017. He doesn’t have “it” and won’t make it regardless of his fitness or athletic gifts.

It’s all about talent for those two or a lack thereof. Which is my subjective view

Edit: the more I ponder this the more silly I feel for spinning my wheels on it. From my perspective rating a guy drafted at 57 only 15 months ago who’s shown a bit at both levels, but nothing amazing as lacking/ having no talent is premature not necessarily incorrect. Whereas you and no spin are approaching it as “his surname is Daicos that’s blasphemy” hell for perspective you were red hot that he debut rd 1 2017 so your view is as extreme as unnamed non-rater and I have to step away from the discussion.

People don't make the grade for a myriad of reasons not always because they don't have enough "talent", work rate, lacking pace, attitude, injury or to small are numerous reasons some have been over looked for example. The reverse is also true when you have players like Blair who make it through hardwork and dogged effort when they lack the natural talent of others.

As for Daicos jnr I liked what he showed in his draft year regardless of his *name* and yep wanted games pumped into him, as I said back then he has talents that will transfer to the elite level. I'd rather see J.Daicos (or other skilled promising youngster) in the side over the likes of J.Blair or C.Mayne.

Bit of a cheap shot with the Daicos blasphemy name thing, if he was shit or ave or workhorse/grunt type I'd say so, you know my posting style well enough to know that.

Josh has a lot of attributes that are nearing elite:

Kicking both sides, depth, touch.
Vision.
Hands very good in traffic.
One touch.
Great lateral movement and step.

Areas that are *ok* at but can improve:

Defensive effort (inconstant from week to week).
Pace, has ok pace but nothing outstanding.
Strength (will come with time)
Endurance/tank. (On the improve)
Goal sense, often put himself in position to kick them but was a bit wayward.
Good bag of tricks (sidesteps, baulking, snapping or check side kicks etc) but needs to show them more.

Problem areas are:

Repeat efforts.
Consistency in his ability to get the ball.
Goal Accuracy.
Keeping involved against the flow of play.

 

[No SPIN]

I bet you weren’t saying that re Toumpas 3 years ago...

It ain’t Freeman’s hammies that held him back in 2017. He doesn’t have “it” and won’t make it regardless of his fitness or athletic gifts.

It’s all about talent for those two or a lack thereof. Which is my subjective view

Edit: the more I ponder this the more silly I feel for spinning my wheels on it. From my perspective rating a guy drafted at 57 only 15 months ago who’s shown a bit at both levels, but nothing amazing as lacking/ having no talent is premature not necessarily incorrect. Whereas you and no spin are approaching it as “his surname is Daicos that’s blasphemy” hell for perspective you were red hot that he debut rd 1 2017 so your view is as extreme as unnamed non-rater and I have to step away from the discussion.

This is incorrect - Actually I completely dismissed the link to " DAICOS" in my post #1600 in the Pre-season 2018 thread.

 

[rand corp]

He did both knees whilst warming up on his first day, and as he went to reach for the knees he put both shoulders out, thanks for recommending him.

Freeman thread

 

[Snoop Dog]

ANyone seen where Varcoe been lining up in the match simulations at training?

Also be keen to know where Goldsack been slotted.

 

[Pedro]

ANyone seen where Varcoe been lining up in the match simulations at training?

Also be keen to know where Goldsack been slotted.

Varcoe seems to be in the rehab group at the moment. On Friday he did nothing but run. Goldy played in defence in the mathc sim.

 

[Apples]

Good to hear. It would be nice if he got an extended run at it, so that we could actually find out if he can play or not.

He was there on Monday, but my heart sank a tad when he came over and spoke to the trainers about his leg and started demonstrating some twists. I would have preferred some turns.

 

[jmac70]

He was there on Monday, but my heart sank a tad when he came over and spoke to the trainers about his leg and started demonstrating some twists. I would have preferred some turns.

Hey Mazzarjo, thanks for the training reports, they are much appreciated. Based on what you have seen so far in terms of drills and match simulations, what game plan changes do you think we might see from the coach in 2018?

 

[Finnishpie]

Varcoe seems to be in the rehab group at the moment. On Friday he did nothing but run. Goldy played in defence in the mathc sim.

Doesn't sound great for varcoe. He's probably in his last year, even if his body stands up.

 

[Horaceg]

Doesn't sound great for varcoe. He's probably in his last year, even if his body stands up.

There is still good footy in Varcoe IMHO but he would be one coming up for review at season's end. My thoughts are he will be on the list next year but may be in the experienced depth type category if he doesn't get back to his best. He is best 22 when on and fit and precluding not too many going past him.

 

[Scodog10]

This is incorrect - Actually I completely dismissed the link to " DAICOS" in my post #1600 in the Pre-season 2018 thread.

I genuinely have no idea what this means and why you would link me to a different thread?

 

[jackcass]

Excellent. Hopefully they’re better than their old man was.

EFA

 

[jackcass]

Sorry was meaning Scharenberg.

I can see Schaz playing through the midfield. It's likely the one area where his lack of pace isn't exposed.

 

[jmac70]

I can see Schaz playing through the midfield. It's likely the one area where his lack of pace isn't exposed.

I see him staying in defence. He is a decent kick and is learning to play on taller opponents.

 

[jackcass]

I see him staying in defence. He is a decent kick and is learning to play on taller opponents.

That'll be his role in the short term but I think longer term the midfield beckons. Time will tell.

 

[jmac70]

That'll be his role in the short term but I think longer term the midfield beckons. Time will tell.

It's possible. It will be interesting to see if Langdon and Scharenberg can exist in the same side.

 

[jackcass]

It's possible. It will be interesting to see if Langdon and Scharenberg can exist in the same side.

Think we'll get an answer to that fairly early as I can't see either missing round 1.

 

[sr36]

That'll be his role in the short term but I think longer term the midfield beckons. Time will tell.

He hasn't shown enough in ground ball contests to be a serious contender for the midfield. May have potential as an outside link player within the midfield, but hasn't yet shown that he can be damaging enough with the footy. I like that they are talking about him playing tall, as I think that is his most likely place to succeed in the long term.