Are violent protests in Melbourne acceptable?

[Achy Blakey Heart]

But it's the same principle is it not?

The vast majority of protestors weren't violent.

For the police to come out and actively using language like they did, is dangerous.

Also this weird thing that's used to say ANTIFA are the equal and opposite of literal neo-Nazis' is a bizarre one.

Neo-nazism is, at it's core, a violent and hateful movement. Basically nothing else is the equal and opposite of that.

But we're getting off topic now.

They are angry, frustrated and sick of the rising level of violence in Melbourne and feel hamstrung by government. I have a very good friend who is a cop in CBD and he said it’s impossible for them to do their job these days.
When people feel like this they act emotively. Was it the best way to approach that press conference, probably not, but you can empathise and understand their frustration.

Can you help me out with this one? What do they mean?

 

[Carn The Berries]

Personally, I think he should have in that circumstance, and in this circumstance he should have also.

However there is a difference in the two situations, in regards to the camp sovereignty incident, the violence was not directed at police. That does not make it any worse or better IMO, however, the two are quite different.

Its obvious by the footage, he is feeling extremely emotional and frustrated at the violence directed toward police by a particular group of individuals in this Melbourne protest. I cannot imagine how difficult the job of the police is in these circumstances.

There were effigies of police burned. And frankly, IDGAF what you are marching for or against, its repugnant, neanderthal, behavior and no better or more worth listening to than Blair Cottrell. No one listens to someone who voices their opinions with rocks.

That is pedanticism at its best. He's shouting from the rooftops that this particular behaviour is unacceptable (for the record, it absolutely is, I'm not trying to suggest otherwise) but he's absolutely silent about people bashing peaceful indigenous activists.

The people who are charged with keeping the peace should not be heightening tensions.

 

[faible]

They are angry, frustrated and sick of the rising level of violence in Melbourne and feel hamstrung by government. I have a very good friend who is a cop in CBD and he said it’s impossible for them to do their job these days.
When people feel like this they act emotively. Was it the best way to approach that press conference, probably not, but you can empathise and understand their frustration.

Can you help me out with this one? What do they mean?

Refer below:

But it's the same principle is it not?

The vast majority of protestors weren't violent.

For the police to come out and actively using language like they did, is dangerous.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

That is pedanticism at its best. He's shouting from the rooftops that this particular behaviour is unacceptable (for the record, it absolutely is, I'm not trying to suggest otherwise) but he's absolutely silent about people bashing peaceful indigenous activists.

The people who are charged with keeping the peace should not be heightening tensions.

Wouldnt the easy way to fix this, be to ban counter protesting ? Seems this is where the issues often arise and would make it easier job for police.

If they want to counter protest, they come back and do it the next day and voice their opinion.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

Refer below:

Murderers are welcome, racists are not?

 

[faible]

Murderers are welcome, racists are not?

You're being rather disingenuous, almost like you're not intending on engaging in good faith at all.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

That is pedanticism at its best. He's shouting from the rooftops that this particular behaviour is unacceptable (for the record, it absolutely is, I'm not trying to suggest otherwise) but he's absolutely silent about people bashing peaceful indigenous activists.

The people who are charged with keeping the peace should not be heightening tensions.

Like i said. He should have called both out at the respective times they occured.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

You're being rather disingenuous, almost like you're not intending on engaging in good faith at all.

I honestly have no idea what point they are making. It makes no sense to me.

 

[Gralin]

They are angry, frustrated and sick of the rising level of violence in Melbourne and feel hamstrung by government. I have a very good friend who is a cop in CBD and he said it’s impossible for them to do their job these days.
When people feel like this they act emotively. Was it the best way to approach that press conference, probably not, but you can empathise and understand their frustration.

Can you help me out with this one? What do they mean?

People chanting "Migrants are welcome, racists are not"

Caption on tweet is wrong

use your ears

 

[Gralin]

Did this footage make the news?

 

[Carn The Berries]

Wouldnt the easy way to fix this, be to ban counter protesting ? Seems this is where the issues often arise and would make it easier job for police.

If they want to counter protest, they come back and do it the next day and voice their opinion.

So you're actually advocating to deny people the right to protest?

That's your position?

 

[Carn The Berries]

Like i said. He should have called both out at the respective times they occured.

That's the point though, he didn't.

Had he have done that, I don't think there would be this level of scepticism about his motives.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

People chanting "Migrants are welcome, racists are not"

Caption on tweet is wrong

use your ears

I have a hearing impairment mate, thanks for the swipe.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

So you're actually advocating to deny people the right to protest?

That's your position?

No. Counter protest. People should always be able to protest. But counter protesting is unnecessary and often the cause of friction and violence.

If counter protesters want to disagree with a protest thats on today, they come back tomorrow and voice their opinion when the organized protest has completed.

 

[Carn The Berries]

No. Counter protest. People should always be able to protest. But counter protesting is unnecessary and often the cause of friction and violence.

Can you please explain how a counter protest is not a protest, and why it should not be allowed?

The police were referencing violence towards police, I'm not sure what having the protest on another day would have to do with that?

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

That's the point though, he didn't.

Had he have done that, I don't think there would be this level of scepticism about his motives.

I suspect, there would have still been a lot of skepticism on this forum even if he had mate.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

Can you please explain how a counter protest is not a protest, and why it should not be allowed?

Someone organizes a protest.....groups who disagree with cause of protest get together and arrange a counter protest of the protest. Violence then occurs.

Its pretty simple.

 

[Carn The Berries]

I suspect, there would have still been a lot of skepticism on this forum even if he had mate.

There may have been some who would still take that position, but it's a whole lot harder to defend said position if the police haven't singled out "left wing" protestors.

 

[Carn The Berries]

Someone organizes a protest.....groups who disagree with cause of protest get together and arrange a counter protest of the protest. Violence then occurs.

Its pretty simple.

So... Still a protest...

 

[Gralin]

I have a hearing impairment mate, thanks for the swipe.

I'm not the one spreading misinfo on here, pick better sources if you can't verify what they're posting for yourself

 

[Carn The Berries]

Someone organizes a protest.....groups who disagree with cause of protest get together and arrange a counter protest of the protest. Violence then occurs.

Its pretty simple.

Do you honestly think that having restrictions like that would be a positive step towards calming tensions?

Let's say for arguments sake that "counter protests" were banned, but people still showed up yesterday to voice their disapproval at the "Make Australia Great Again" (not it's real name) protests.

Are you seriously suggesting that police enforcing that ban, and arresting people who attended, would be better for stability?

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

I'm not the one spreading misinfo on here, pick better sources if you can't verify what they're posting for yourself

I deleted it. Appreciate deciphering it, I rely on people to do that from time to time mate.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

Do you honestly think that having restrictions like that would be a positive step towards calming tensions?

Let's say for arguments sake that "counter protests" were banned, but people still showed up yesterday to voice their disapproval at the "Make Australia Great Again" (not it's real name) protests.

Are you seriously suggesting that police enforcing that ban, and arresting people who attended, would be better for stability?

It’s difficult to say, however what we are seeing is more and more violence from extremist pockets in protest/counter protest setups that police do not have the resources to effectively stop.

I would expect that part of the reason there were no police present when Cottrell’s cronies stormed the indigenous camp was because every resource would have been committed to providing security and safety at the interface of the protest and counter protest. Deterring counter protests from being present would allow resources to be diverted to the few idiots who still turn up, and also to the extremist pockets to stop them over stepping.

 

[Gralin]

It’s difficult to say, however what we are seeing is more and more violence from extremist pockets in protest/counter protest setups that police do not have the resources to effectively stop.

I would expect that part of the reason there were no police present when Cottrell’s cronies stormed the indigenous camp was because every resource would have been committed to providing security and safety at the interface of the protest and counter protest. Deterring counter protests from being present would allow resources to be diverted to the few idiots who still turn up, and also to the extremist pockets to stop them over stepping.

we've got a lot of evidence

and I mean a lot

over the last few years of the cops keeping the NSN safe from counter protests, but not keeping the public safe from the NSN

Camp Sovereignty was the most publicly condemned one but it came about a week after Sewell put a homeless person in hospital while the cops watched

They were there then and didn't stop it

Funny how they're not around to stop the actual nazis committing violence on the streets but are there to get into it with the people protesting the nazis being on the streets

last time I checked letting the nazis march unchecked on streets was a bad idea

the fact that you're framing the people marching against the nazis as the issue is telling

anti immigration rallies, that come out of flyers saying too many Indians in the country where nazis spoke on stage and marched at the front and helped organise the event are in fact nazi rallies

lots of people doing the old I don't want to march with nazis its not my fault they marched as the same rally I did, but I'm not racist for staying and marching with them

 

[QuietB]

This validation of racism by the police is a wet dream for some