Ashes 25/26

[PhatBoy]

And fairies are real, as are leprechauns.

So you’re saying these things didn’t happen?

This is a summary of what you’ve basically said:

‘Harry Brook can’t bat when the ball is moving. This is proven because in the only two series he’s played when the ball consistently moved, a two test series in NZ, and a 3 test series in NZ, he hit 89 off 84 in a test where the highest innings score was 374 (and 54 off 41 in the same match, 186 off 176 with his team 3-21, and returned 2 years later and, after hitting a rather fortunate 171, he came to the wicket at 4-40 and hit 123 off 115 - before NZ were dismissed for 125 as Atkinson and Carse ran amok - and hit another half century in the second innings.

That’s your argument.

And almost as if to offset it even further, in the couple of tests they HAVE hosted in England where the ball has done a bit since Brook has been in the team, he’s hit half-centuries there too.

And his two biggest scores against India came with his team 5-87, and 3-110 chasing 374.

What else is he supposed to have done by now?

No player in history with over 1000 runs has scored as quickly as he has.
In 150 years of test cricket. And he’s done it at an average higher than Jacques Kallis, Ricky Ponting, Steve Smith, Brian Lara, Sachin Tendulkar etc.

Will that last? Probably not. There’s plenty of players who’ve started in a blaze of glory and not maintained it. But he can only be judged on what he’s actually done, not on what he hasn’t had a chance to do.

If you are going to critique him at least have a go at the one thing he as actually failed to do in his one shot at it so far: handling tough spinning conditions during the second and third tests in Pakistan. He’s yet to prove he can handle the turning ball, not the seaming one.

 

[PhatBoy]

It's tedious reading

but

but

but

Not sure if you’re critiquing him or me but what’s tedious is reading the same level of denial over and over again based on one thing:

A player not being Australian. That’s it. That is literally all it is.
There is nothing more this player can do to achieve whatever it is he is supposed to achieve in order for people to simply accept that he might actually be decent.

What does he have to do for his runs to count, score them on one leg with his pants down?

There is no ‘but.’

The guy has 3000 runs from 30 tests at 58 and a strike rate of 88. First, second, third and fourth innings. Home, abroad. Team in trouble, team on top. Some with luck, some with none.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Not sure if you’re critiquing him or me but what’s tedious is reading the same level of denial over and over again based on one thing:

A player not being Australian. That’s it. That is literally all it is.
There is nothing more this player can do to achieve whatever it is he is supposed to achieve in order for people to simply accept that he might actually be decent.

What does he have to do for his runs to count, score them on one leg with his pants down?

There is no ‘but.’

The guy has 3000 runs from 30 tests at 58 and a strike rate of 88. First, second, third and fourth innings. Home, abroad. Team in trouble, team on top. Some with luck, some with none.

He also has been the most dropped player in 12 months of cricket. He'd have an average below 40 if catches were held. On seaming decks he averages very poorly, on flat decks he averages incredibly high. The full definition of a flat track bully. But FlatBoy here thinks his shit don't stink because he loves anything that isn't Australian. Not sure why he wants to live in Australia if he hates it so much.

Happy to take taxpayer dole money though.

 

[PhatBoy]

He also has been the most dropped player in 12 months of cricket. He'd have an average below 40 if catches were held. On seaming decks he averages very poorly, on flat decks he averages incredibly high. The full definition of a flat track bully. But FlatBoy here thinks his shit don't stink because he loves anything that isn't Australian. Not sure why he wants to live in Australia if he hates it so much.

Happy to take taxpayer dole money though.

Yeah has and from memory half of those chances came in ONE innings

No, he doesn’t.

You’ve just been shown he’s played two away series on seaming decks and he absolutely dominated, and at home he’s done absolutely fine.

The 5 tests against Australia were criticised for being flat. He averaged a little over 40 anyway.

This series against India was criticised for being flat. He averaged nearly 60 - and scored a century and a 50 on the liveliest pitch anyway.

He’s played two other full series at home.

Sri Lanka, and the West Indies. Against the West Indies he hit a century and a 50 in the 3 tests. The 50 came on the liveliest pitch of the series.
His only failure in any series in England or New Zealand to average at least 40, was against Sri Lanka. And even then he passed 30 in the first four innings of the series before failing in the last test that Sri Lanka won.

So where have all these repeat failures taken place.

You keep talking about them but they don’t, you know, exist.

Speculate that he might eventually fall over, postulate on it, whatever. But at least assess him on things that have actually happened rather than just making them up

 

[Bradesmaen]

Yeah has and from memory half of those chances came in ONE innings

No, he doesn’t.

You’ve just been shown he’s played two away series on seaming decks and he absolutely dominated, and at home he’s done absolutely fine.

The 5 tests against Australia were criticised for being flat. He averaged a little over 40 anyway.

This series against India was criticised for being flat. He averaged nearly 60 - and scored a century and a 50 on the liveliest pitch anyway.

He’s played two other full series at home.

Sri Lanka, and the West Indies. Against the West Indies he hit a century and a 50 in the 3 tests. The 50 came on the liveliest pitch of the series.
His only failure in any series in England or New Zealand to average at least 40, was against Sri Lanka. And even then he passed 30 in the first four innings of the series before failing in the last test that Sri Lanka won.

So where have all these repeat failures taken place.

You keep talking about them but they don’t, you know, exist.

Speculate that he might eventually fall over, postulate on it, whatever. But at least assess him on things that have actually happened rather than just making them up

 

[PhatBoy]

Ok. None of that stuff which is noted in every statistical database available to cricket fans ever happened.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Ok. None of that stuff which is noted in every statistical database available to cricket fans ever happened.

I mean you've never actually seen a cricket game so I'm not surprised you're just rattling off what Google AI told you.

Keep up your hatred of Australians though, it's funny.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

England seem like a batting group that has one big innings surrounded by a lot of middling performances. Root excepted, he's class.

 

[PhatBoy]

I mean you've never actually seen a cricket game so I'm not surprised you're just rattling off what Google AI told you.

Keep up your hatred of Australians though, it's funny.

What does this have to do with any Australian player
Is that really the level of paranoia my appraisal of a cricketer has driven you to?

Yes, I’ve never watched a cricket game. Because I know how to use the internet, it means I don’t attend cricket games.

 

[brutus76]

Any South African batters we can fast track to naturalize to help us out?

 

[onthehill24]

England seem like a batting group that has one big innings surrounded by a lot of middling performances. Root excepted, he's class.

Davie reckons root no good in Australia
Davey a bunny in england

 

[Cleavy]

Any South African batters we can fast track to naturalize to help us out?

put in a good word for "Aussie Bred" de Villiers

 

[Westend]

Davie reckons root no good in Australia
Davey a bunny in england

Well yes correct on both counts both have underperformed whilst playing away games against each other

and if you look at there stats...fairly similar both have never scored hundreds ...Warner in England Root in Australia

Warner in england 980 runs highest 85 av 26
Root in Aus 892 runs highest 89 av 35

Root has the higher average

both score heavily in there home conditions

 

[Art Vandelay_]

 

[sabso]

Well yes correct on both counts both have underperformed whilst playing away games against each other

and if you look at there stats...fairly similar both have never scored hundreds ...Warner in England Root in Australia

Warner in england 980 runs highest 85 av 26
Root in Aus 892 runs highest 89 av 35

Root has the higher average

both score heavily in there home conditions

Root in Australia: dismissed most often by Cummins (5 times in 9 tests). Boland has him 4 times in 3.



https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...late=results;type=batting;view=bowler_summary



Warner in England: dismissed most often by broad (11 times in 18 tests). Warner averaged 3.72 against broad lol, making this the morally most significant stat in ashes history.



https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...late=results;type=batting;view=bowler_summary

 

[magpiemaniac44]

I reckon England's first choice attack should be Archer, Wood, Atkinson and Leach.

The doubts will come in when Archer or Wood are rested/injured as personally I don't think there's much depth after those front liners. Also selecting Bashir would be a massive mistake that I hope they make

 

[Freezin]

I reckon England's first choice attack should be Archer, Wood, Atkinson and Leach.

The doubts will come in when Archer or Wood are rested/injured as personally I don't think there's much depth after those front liners. Also selecting Bashir would be a massive mistake that I hope they make

Archer and Wood are burst bowlers....leaving a shed load of lifting for Atkinson, as Stokes has a violet crumble body.....Leach is out of favour it seems, leaving Bashir to step up....Carse, Atkinson and rotate Wood and Archer maybe the way Eng goes.

 

[jackster83]

I reckon England's first choice attack should be Archer, Wood, Atkinson and Leach.

The doubts will come in when Archer or Wood are rested/injured as personally I don't think there's much depth after those front liners. Also selecting Bashir would be a massive mistake that I hope they make

Is Olly Stone still around?

He seemed like a bowler who would go ok on our pitches and with the Kookaburra ball.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Disappointing for us that is. The bloke is a glorified net blower in Australia.

 

[corbies]

Root in Australia: dismissed most often by Cummins (5 times in 9 tests). Boland has him 4 times in 3.



https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...late=results;type=batting;view=bowler_summary



Warner in England: dismissed most often by broad (11 times in 18 tests). Warner averaged 3.72 against broad lol, making this the morally most significant stat in ashes history.



https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...late=results;type=batting;view=bowler_summary

That page does not show Warners average against Broad in England. That shows the average score Warner was on when he was dismissed by Broad.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/ask/cricket-qna/David-warner-average-v-Stuart-broad-in-England-in-test&tournament=allintls

This should show his average v Broad in England which is 19.72.

For comparison Root averages 24.20 v Cummins in Australia and 9.75 against Boland.

 

[Around the Wicket]

They drew with India at home England truly have no chance in this Ashes.. 5-0 coming pending weather...

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

England seem like a batting group that has one big innings surrounded by a lot of middling performances. Root excepted, he's class.

Middling performances is better than being 3/20 every other innings like Australia may well be.

 

[sabso]

Middling performances is better than being 3/20 every other innings like Australia may well be.

That may be about the same as England every other innings.

 

[Borisdog]

Can all you guys that think it's gunna be a landslide Aussie victory start getting on the Aussies with the gambling sites please.

I've already got $3.50 for the Poms, but I wouldn't mind a bit more at a better price.

I'm as Aussie as a Kangaroo, but I can see us getting rolled. The batting is just absolutely horrible at the moment. The bowling is great, but I believe Cummins isn't particularly great as a Captain when the Poms start slogging. His decisions looked pretty poor in the last Ashes at times.

Let's not forget we were very lucky to get rained out in the 4th Test. Would've been 2 all going into the last. Mind you, The Poms dropped the bundle a couple of times too.

 

[Kapow!!!]

Can all you guys that think it's gunna be a landslide Aussie victory start getting on the Aussies with the gambling sites please.

I've already got $3.50 for the Poms, but I wouldn't mind a bit more at a better price.

I'm as Aussie as a Kangaroo, but I can see us getting rolled. The batting is just absolutely horrible at the moment. The bowling is great, but I believe Cummins isn't particularly great as a Captain when the Poms start slogging. His decisions looked pretty poor in the last Ashes at times.

Let's not forget we were very lucky to get rained out in the 4th Test. Would've been 2 all going into the last. Mind you, The Poms dropped the bundle a couple of times too.

Personally I'm looking at one of 3-1, 4-1 or 4-0 markets for an England win to get real value. I honestly don't even think it's going to be competitive.