Religion Ask a Christian - Continued in Part 2

[Chief]

Continued in Part Two:

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/ask-a-christian-part-2.1295001/unread

 

[Roylion]

And, everybody in this world sins.

Not me.

 

[Total Power]

And, everybody in this world sins. It's coming to terms with dealing with it. There is no damage in true repentance- it can only help others in this world. Imagine if everybody did repent, and tried not to sin- not to be envious, slanderous, malicious, a gossiper, a thief, a liar, and everybody had true love for all people. How is that child abuse? To not know of the concept of repentance is ignorance. That is what we are here for.

We discussed this already, what is a sin to you? is speaking in support of slavery a sin to you? if not why not?

Lies, stealing are all subjective, if i lie to save 10 others, is this bad? if i steal to feed my hungry child, is it bad? it's all RELATIVE.

 

[Vdubs]

I’m a father, I’d prefer my children to live their lives in a progressive world, your cult is one of many that attempts to thwart that!
That’s why it’s incumbent upon folks like me to keep the genie in the box until it destroys itself with the progression.

We are parents of 3 adults and each of them have not taken on our belief systems, but they say they appreciate our values and respect them. They know we are not dangerous, and it is unnecessary to be militant against Christians.

 

[Total Power]

I am really interested to know about your concept of sin Vdubs , what is sin to you? is ordering rape of young virgin women sin? it's not when god orders it but it is when a man does it? why?

 

[chelseacarlton]

We are parents of 3 adults and each of them have not taken on our belief systems, but they say they appreciate our values and respect them. They know we are not dangerous, and it is unnecessary to be militant against Christians.

Yes it is.

 

[Vdubs]

We discussed this already, what is a sin to you? is speaking in support of slavery a sin to you? if not why not?

Lies, stealing are all subjective, if i lie to save 10 others, is this bad? if i steal to feed my hungry child, is it bad? it's all RELATIVE.

There are people in this world, and we ALL know them, who pathologically and recurrently sin. They are slaves to their sins. I don't need to describe in detail these sins, but they are out there without doubt. They want to escape the clutch-hold sin has on their lives. THIS is where repentance and asking God to take over is crucial, pardon the pun.
For those of you who are self-sufficient, and in no need of this sort of help, again, you have no need to feel threatened by those who have that need.
If you are worried about THE END, don't be. Jesus did not come to make the healthy and happy sinless better, he came for people like me, those who acknowledge they can't do it well without His help. You call it weak, crutch, whatever, I see the issue of sin, you don't.

 

[Vdubs]

Yes it is.

Go ahead, your words here reflect your anger. It's good to let it out.

 

[Total Power]

There are people in this world, and we ALL know them, who pathologically and recurrently sin. They are slaves to their sins. I don't need to describe in detail these sins, but they are out there without doubt. They want to escape the clutch-hold sin has on their lives. THIS is where repentance and asking God to take over is crucial, pardon the pun.
For those of you who are self-sufficient, and in no need of this sort of help, again, you have no need to feel threatened by those who have that need.
If you are worried about THE END, don't be. Jesus did not come to make the healthy and happy sinless better, he came for people like me, those who acknowledge they can't do it well without His help. You call it weak, crutch, whatever, I see the issue of sin, you don't.

I already explained it to you why i don't believe in your concept of sin, the early christians didn't believe in original sin, neither do the Jews or Muslims. Sin is a man made concept. If you look at my karma ledger right now, i bet it's positive, cause i do much more good than i do harm. Jesus himself was a blasphemer, Jesus himself broke many laws, Jesus himself is guilty to making children cry and encouraging slavery and i am not even touching OT where god makes Prophet Mohammed look like Gandhi.

I am not worried about THE END, I am only worried about the world i am leaving behind for my children cause prayers and repenntence doesn't solve ****. Action does. I hope people stop repenting and start acting.

 

[Vdubs]

I am really interested to know about your concept of sin Vdubs , what is sin to you? is ordering rape of young virgin women sin? it's not when god orders it but it is when a man does it? why?

The opposite of living in the fruits of the Spirit Of God- love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,gentleness and self control.
Sin is defiance of God's commandments, when pride, self-centredness and disobedience result in deliberate violation of God's will.

 

[Total Power]

The opposite of living in the fruits of the Spirit Of God- love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,gentleness and self control.
Sin is defiance of God's commandments, when pride, self-centredness and disobedience result in deliberate violation of God's will.

Do you think your God (specially in the OT) fulfilled any of the criteria you listed above?

Maybe sending Jesus was admitting he ****ed up big time?

 

[Frank Bunn]

I already explained it to you why i don't believe in your concept of sin, the early christians didn't believe in original sin, neither do the Jews or Muslims. Sin is a man made concept. If you look at my karma ledger right now, i bet it's positive, cause i do much more good than i do harm. Jesus himself was a blasphemer, Jesus himself broke many laws, Jesus himself is guilty to making children cry and encouraging slavery and i am not even touching OT where god makes Prophet Mohammed look like Gandhi.

I am not worried about THE END, I am only worried about the world i am leaving behind for my children cause prayers and repenntence doesn't solve ****. Action does. I hope people stop repenting and start acting.

Sin is subjective. There are very few objective truths. A mother knows her children are related to her. A father less so.

 

[Evolved1]

That is an error, and I must object. You may not like my honesty and choose to dismiss it, but I put it all out there.

I see many signs in your posts to show that you have little interest in challenging your beliefs. Just an observation.

 

[Evolved1]

We are ALL Massive sinners

As much as I want to sin, there's a dearth of opportunity.

Think of me as a modern day Jesus because I haven't sinned even once.

 

[Evolved1]

And, everybody in this world sins. It's coming to terms with dealing with it. There is no damage in true repentance- it can only help others in this world. Imagine if everybody did repent, and tried not to sin- not to be envious, slanderous, malicious, a gossiper, a thief, a liar, and everybody had true love for all people. How is that child abuse? To not know of the concept of repentance is ignorance. That is what we are here for.

We're carnal beings with innate carnal desires. Forcing children to deny their own nature is a form of child abuse. Forcing them to listen to predators (priests) is child abuse. Telling children that scientists are liars or tools of the devil is child abuse. Telling children that they're born in sin is child abuse.

You're being used to propagate a scientifically, historically, and philosophically unjustifiable superstition.

Your belief system is responsible for destroying cultures, the predatory abuse of children and poor people, and stalling education. It's a roadblock in the way of human progress.

 

[Evolved1]

Sin is subjective. There are very few objective truths. A mother knows her children are related to her. A father less so.

The concept of sin relates to offending the laws of a god. If the Christian god isn't real, you can't sin against it.

 

[Total Power]

As much as I want to sin, there's a dearth of opportunity.

Think of me as a modern day Jesus because I haven't sinned even once.

You don't even have to sin, you are a sinner in your mothers womb before you are born even according to them. Such a terrible terrible concept, not sure why they believe in such things.

 

[chelseacarlton]

Go ahead, your words here reflect your anger. It's good to let it out.

Anger, I don’t think so.
It’s purely for shits and giggles, your lot will face my anger when you bring your ****ing archaic nonsense out of your personal safe spaces and into the public square and it effects me and my family and community at large.
I’m not surprised by this claim of yours, as you misrepresent your own book as well as most posters in here.

 

[Evolved1]

You don't even have to sin, you are a sinner in your mothers womb before you are born even according to them. Such a terrible terrible concept, not sure why they believe in such things.

Faith is detached from reality.

You can fly planes into buildings out of love, torture people in a lake of fire out of love, destroy cultures out of love, know more about evolution than those with PhD's in the field.

There's no objective standard for truth in faith. The bible is true because it says it is and their interpretation is true because they rolled on the floor at church in front of Pastor Moneybags.

 

[Gethelred]

We are ALL Massive sinners

The imposition of sin onto humans devalues human life, in order to make it easier to a) promote your death cult, ie when you die you are redeemed through the act of death and baptism to go to a sinless existence in heaven, and b) to kill those of other faiths or of no faith.

It's manipulation.

Have you ever wondered, Vdubs, why an awful lot of the deeds to which Sin is attached seem to coincide with what a ruler or those with money/power would rather the poor people didn't do? Funny that, isn't it? Don't steal, covet, murder, obey your god and his hierarchy on earth (which includes the king and the church), venerate no other idols than him, etc. Sounds like a great way to keep the population content with their lot, hmm?

 

[Baltimore Jack]

"Listen to me my congregation, you all have this mortal disease called 'sin', but don't worry I have the antidote, I have this book called the bible and we have the word of our lord and saviour and it will make you better, all you need do is follow me"

 

[Total Power]

The imposition of sin onto humans devalues human life, in order to make it easier to a) promote your death cult, ie when you die you are redeemed through the act of death and baptism to go to a sinless existence in heaven, and b) to kill those of other faiths or of no faith.

It's manipulation.

Have you ever wondered, Vdubs, why an awful lot of the deeds to which Sin is attached seem to coincide with what a ruler or those with money/power would rather the poor people didn't do? Funny that, isn't it? Don't steal, covet, murder, obey your god and his hierarchy on earth (which includes the king and the church), venerate no other idols than him, etc. Sounds like a great way to keep the population content with their lot, hmm?

I always wondered about this, the end result is ALWAYS about how "i can secure" a place in heaven! it always boils down to this. Do you help a stray dog cause you want brownie points? or do you wish to help a defenceless creature cause you are a good person. I know which category i am in.

 

[Evolved1]

The imposition of sin onto humans devalues human life, in order to make it easier to a) promote your death cult, ie when you die you are redeemed through the act of death and baptism to go to a sinless existence in heaven, and b) to kill those of other faiths or of no faith.

It's manipulation.

Have you ever wondered, Vdubs, why an awful lot of the deeds to which Sin is attached seem to coincide with what a ruler or those with money/power would rather the poor people didn't do? Funny that, isn't it? Don't steal, covet, murder, obey your god and his hierarchy on earth (which includes the king and the church), venerate no other idols than him, etc. Sounds like a great way to keep the population content with their lot, hmm?

If I was god, supporting Carlton would be the biggest sin.

 

[Boston tiger]

The imposition of sin onto humans devalues human life, in order to make it easier to a) promote your death cult, ie when you die you are redeemed through the act of death and baptism to go to a sinless existence in heaven, and b) to kill those of other faiths or of no faith.

It's manipulation.

Have you ever wondered, Vdubs, why an awful lot of the deeds to which Sin is attached seem to coincide with what a ruler or those with money/power would rather the poor people didn't do? Funny that, isn't it? Don't steal, covet, murder, obey your god and his hierarchy on earth (which includes the king and the church), venerate no other idols than him, etc. Sounds like a great way to keep the population content with their lot, hmm?

Sin makes you unhappy

 

[Evolved1]

Sin makes you unhappy

Is that why atheists are happy and well adjusted?

 

[Gethelred]

If I was god, supporting Carlton would be the biggest sin.

If I was God, toilets would be called Essendons.