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Religion Ask a Christian - Continued in Part 2
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Have a quick google of Stalin/ Communism and religious deaths.
China of course is another one to look into.
North Korea as well
The one thing that these evil atheist regimes fear is religion because they know they can never have complete control of the people while there is still a higher power than them surviving.
The Spanish Inquisition has moved into almost into realm of myth along with the persecution of Galileo.
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Most of Stalin's victims were political & ethnic. The Gulags were full of innocents of all persuasions. Often for no real reason! Certainly religious victims, but fewer & no different from any other group.
Most of Mao/China's victims were again political & ethnic. Han Chinese v everyone else!! They allow Religions even now, as long as they control it.
NK much the same sort of ultra violent brain washing social control.
Many in these countries just died of starvation because of misguide bureaucratic central control of production, which didn't/doesn't work.
I can understand the fears some people have. Religious victimhood has been well cultivated by the various Religious groups. Most of the violence is really one Religion against another anyway. Or a means for some to reinforce fear so as to gain/keep power.
All that often linked into one ethnic group against others.
Catholic v Protestant, Catholic v Orthodox, Sunni v Shia ( & the myriad of sub groups). Same v Christian & v Jews. Hindi v Muslim.
Ethnic superiority masquerading as religious 'saving' of the savages. ie Spain destroying South America for gold & souls!! Look at Africa. Initially tribal, then Colonised, then multi ethnic nations. Both religious & ethnic killings continue on.
Ethnic group persecution in China, in Myanmar, the mass madness in the Balkans we saw in the mid 1990's.
We saw the troubles in Northern Ireland. Not that far in history.
We see religious & ethnic victimhood all the time, even now in the recent 'culture wars' in the USA. Its political power using other methods to gain control.
Etc.
“History of Religious violence is overwhelmingly on one side.
Not Religions side, Thats for sure.”
It’s a ledger thing .
Non religious really go to town on the religious.
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Huh?
What part about atheism dictates whether someone is going to be bad or good? Atheism is simply a lack of belief in God. Atheism has no moral code of conduct like Christians do. Good people do good things, bad people do bad things. But Good people can do bad things cause of religion.
What part of Christianity say that you cannot own slaves? nothing?
Speaking just of the 20th Century, the Empire of Japan managed to murder millions without any benefit of atheism.
And over the last few centuries, hundreds of millions were murdered and enslaved all over the world, mostly (though not solely) by Christians of European descent. See, e.g., Wikipedia: Genocide of indigenous peoples.
The claim that atheism uniquely enables mass atrocities, or that Christianity prevents them, is a lie.
Basically..
Has the non religious killed more people for being religious than the religious have killed the religious for being the wrong religion ?
eg Spanish Inquisition/ sectarian violence / early Christians and Romans. Opposed to Russian Communist and its destruction of the Russian Orthodox Church and other atheist regimes that like to persecute the religious.
Ps being the same religion does stop people killing each other . World war 1 and War 2 . Catholics killing Catholics etc .
Yes but that doesn’t hide the fact that we didn’t become human until we became religious .
What is the point of the exercise? Assuming for a moment that communism killed more people, "Religion, not quite as bad as communism" really doesn't sound like a slogan that recommends religion.
And of course the problem is that communism has only been around for 160 years while religion has been around for thousands of years. But on the other hand the last 160 years have been seen the world have a much higher population then any time before that.
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It is a deliberate misreading of history to attribute those deaths to atheism.
Atheism doesn’t have teachings at all. Our views on morality are simply from OTHER subjects. And tend to vary between the individual.
Religion on the other hand has many verses instructing people to kill and enslave others and spread hatred specially if they don't believe in what you believe in.
Besides what kind of theist loon would try and explain genocide with ideology (communism, religion) rather then looking at the psychology of disturbed people.
Ideologies are bad, saying diarrhea killed more than Cholera isn't an argument, it's admitting the obvious, both are equally bad.
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300,000 years ago?
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You seem a little confused. This excellent book may help.
How We Became Human - Pan Macmillan Australia
Over thousands of years, humans have developed mechanisms to help us live together in ever-larger social groups. We developed a set of 'moral emotions' such as empathy, guilt and outrage, as well as a tendency to favour people in our in-groups and a propensity to punish perceived wrongdoers. Our...
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Huh ?
Hope so
You mean all religions or only yours?
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37, our life on earth as a carbon based lifeform is finite, when we cease to exist, that’s it, there isn’t a good place, nor a bad place, we just end, finito.
Now, I know we’ve had our differences in the past because I despise Islam and you hope to protect this branch of the Abrahamic cult, but the way I perceive our place in the universe is antipodean to yours.
I’m vastly interested in the way you experience the reality we share, but can you please, just for your old sparing partner cc(chelseacarlton) now cc(carltonchelsea), define or characterise this “god” you keep harping on about, because we don’t, as non believers, have the idea you want to portray?
Make our life easy bro, define it, then we have a meeting point!♥
I'll tell you 2 things.
1/ I have a lot of respect for you because of your views and the way that you have articulated them.
2/ The worst kind of people anyone will ever encounter are duplicitous people. The worst. Without question. And by a very long way.
Like I said to you before, it's up to you.
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There's little to no evidence for any religious practice / ritual by homo sapiens beyond about 50,000 years ago, even though they have been in existance for 300,000 years.
Neanderthals may have performed funerary practices as long as 150,000 years ago.
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Wars are not just the shooting of guns....the gun shooting comes right at the end, when there are no other choices.
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You heard the man. We're not human!
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Atheism is just the lack of belief in deities. How many Christians have been killed because the killer didn't believe in deities? I'm guessing zero.
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He's trying to link atheism to communism so that he can say Christians aren't as bad as atheists. Then he'll tell you that Christians who kill aren't true Christians. They must learn how to debate at Sunday school.
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