Religion Ask a Christian - Continued in Part 2

[Chief]

Continued in Part Two:

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/ask-a-christian-part-2.1295001/unread

 

[Gethelred]

The devil forged your grandfathers birth certificate. It's fake news.

There is an 'I am your father' joke forthcoming, isn't there?

 

[Vdubs]

The bizarre thing in all these discussions is that God and Jesus do not need defence ; they don't need me or others to explain His ways. They just need people like us to be prepared to tell those who are lost the reason we have hope. It is well known that there will be resistance from people like you lot. The reason I persevere here is in the forlorn hope that maybe somebody here is genuinely searching. Apparently not. We are available for those who are in that category.
As for you lot, it has been an eye-opening diversion during this Covid pandemic, to read how many of you see the world without God in it.
Thank you all for helping me confirm even more how much my life depends on a relationship with God by His son Jesus, and what sort of resistance there is in this world to Christianity. A world of anti-theists I have not encountered much before.

 

[Total Power]

The bizarre thing in all these discussions is that God and Jesus do not need defence ; they don't need me or others to explain His ways. They just need people like us to be prepared to tell those who are lost the reason we have hope. It is well known that there will be resistance from people like you lot. The reason I persevere here is in the forlorn hope that maybe somebody here is genuinely searching. Apparently not. We are available for those who are in that category.
As for you lot, it has been an eye-opening diversion during this Covid pandemic, to read how many of you see the world without God in it.
Thank you all for helping me confirm even more how much my life depends on a relationship with God by His son Jesus, and what sort of resistance there is in this world to Christianity. A world of anti-theists I have not encountered much before.

Who is 'he'? Allah or Yehwah? or your version?

 

[Roylion]

The genealogy of Jesus Christ is there to be read. And although the accounts in Matthew and Luke are not identical, they are both accepted as genuine documents through history.

No they are not genuine documents. They are fabricated in the same way Queen Elizabeth's descent from Woden is fabricated. I've already explained this.

Where on earth do you get this from?

 

[Evolved1]

All you are doing is refuting anything and everything that is written in the Bible that upsets your pov, but conveniently pick out the OT bits that appall you so that you can slander God. And you accuse Christians of cherry-picking!
The genealogy of Jesus Christ is there to be read. And although the accounts in Matthew and Luke are not identical, they are both accepted as genuine documents through history.
No matter what is written there, you will have your conspiracy theory.

Does the holy ghost have a holy penis? God must be a gazillion years old and he knocked up a young girl without her consent...that's in the new testament btw.

 

[Vdubs]

No they are not. Where on earth do you get this from?

It was definitely on earth.

 

[Gethelred]

Does the holy ghost have a holy penis?

Can this get stickied to the top of this thread?

 

[Vdubs]

Can this get stickied to the top of this thread?

Ask your mod mate Roylion

 

[Gethelred]

The bizarre thing in all these discussions is that God and Jesus do not need defence ; they don't need me or others to explain His ways. They just need people like us to be prepared to tell those who are lost the reason we have hope. It is well known that there will be resistance from people like you lot. The reason I persevere here is in the forlorn hope that maybe somebody here is genuinely searching. Apparently not. We are available for those who are in that category.
As for you lot, it has been an eye-opening diversion during this Covid pandemic, to read how many of you see the world without God in it.
Thank you all for helping me confirm even more how much my life depends on a relationship with God by His son Jesus, and what sort of resistance there is in this world to Christianity. A world of anti-theists I have not encountered much before.

The bizarre thing in all these discussions is how completely unwilling you are to post anything remotely addressing a question, instead vomiting out the theological version of 'how to vote' cards over and over again.

 

[Gethelred]

Ask your mod mate Roylion

Not the mod of this board, I'm afraid. Any chance of you answering my question: are people who are not christians capable of love?

 

[Roylion]

It was definitely on earth.

Indeed. Fabricated by man.

The genealogy of Jesus Christ outlined in Matthew is clearly fictional and is little more than a theological construct (i.e largely if not wholly invented) rather than factual history. Matthew's is neatly arranged into three sets of fourteen which is very convenient.The first fourteen is from Abraham to David. The second fourteen spans the Davidic royal line, but omits several generations, such as three consecutive kings of Judah - Ahaziah, Jehoash and Amaziah. These three kings were seen as especially wicked, from the cursed line of Ahab through his daughter Athaliah to the third and fourth generation, so of course wouldn't want to be associated with the 'Messiah'. The Davidic line ends with "Jeconiah and his brothers at the time of the exile to Babylon". The last fourteen, which appears to span only thirteen generations, connects the father of Jesus, (Joseph) to Zerubbabel through a series of otherwise unknown names. Indeed there are remarkably few names for such a long period.

The total of 42 generations is achieved only by omitting several names, so the choice of three sets of fourteen is deliberate. Fourteen is twice seven symbolizing perfection and covenant, and is also the gematria (numerical value) of the name David.

Matthew and Luke also have vastly different genealogies. 55 generations from Abraham to Jesus in Luke and 42 (14.14.14 as I pointed out above) for Matthew. Did Matthew leave some of the ancestors of Jesus out? Their motive is also clear - the Gospel writers wanted to demonstrate that Jesus qualified as a Messiah partly because of his descent from King David (as per the so-called 'prophecy').

The inference that the Jews had accurate, historical genealogies stretching back to 'Adam' or 'Abraham' is laughable.

 

[Roylion]

Ask your mod mate Roylion

I don't mod this forum. I mod a resurrected club's board instead. Now there's a true resurrection.

 

[Evolved1]

The bizarre thing in all these discussions is that God and Jesus do not need defence ; they don't need me or others to explain His ways. They just need people like us to be prepared to tell those who are lost the reason we have hope. It is well known that there will be resistance from people like you lot. The reason I persevere here is in the forlorn hope that maybe somebody here is genuinely searching. Apparently not. We are available for those who are in that category.
As for you lot, it has been an eye-opening diversion during this Covid pandemic, to read how many of you see the world without God in it.
Thank you all for helping me confirm even more how much my life depends on a relationship with God by His son Jesus, and what sort of resistance there is in this world to Christianity. A world of anti-theists I have not encountered much before.

Every cult member sounds the same. Resistance against your cult doesn't make you right, irrespective of what your cult leader says.

Islamic cults use the same sales pitch. Does that make them right? Why do you resist their truth?

 

[Vdubs]

I don't mod this forum. I mod a resurrected club's board instead. Now there's a true resurrection.

It would be a conflict I guess to mod this forum, thread. Is there a mod?

 

[Evolved1]

It would be a conflict I guess to mod this forum, thread. Is there a mod?

How did god knock up Mary if he doesn't have a penis?

 

[Vdubs]

How did god knock up Mary if he doesn't have a penis?

Surely you know all about Immaculate Conceptions? Didn't they happen all the time and the Bible writers just borrowed the concept from somewhere?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

How did god knock up Mary if he doesn't have a penis?

Mary wasn't a virgin, it was her dad.

 

[Evolved1]

Surely you know all about Immaculate Conceptions? Didn't they happen all the time and the Bible writers just borrowed the concept from somewhere?

I'm just curious why it didn't offend you when another believe claimed that atheists couldn't love their family, yet you took offense to a post about your god taking advantage of a young girl.

The morality of religious people is something I find difficult to understand.

 

[Vdubs]

The bizarre thing in all these discussions is how completely unwilling you are to post anything remotely addressing a question, instead vomiting out the theological version of 'how to vote' cards over and over again.

I address questions. Think about that. What does it mean to address?

 

[Vdubs]

I'm just curious why it didn't offend you when another believe claimed that atheists couldn't love their family, yet you took offense to a post about your god taking advantage of a young girl.

The morality of religious people is something I find difficult to understand.

oh, you have a conscience after all...

 

[Sweet Jesus]

The bizarre thing in all these discussions is that God and Jesus do not need defence ; they don't need me or others to explain His ways. They just need people like us to be prepared to tell those who are lost the reason we have hope. It is well known that there will be resistance from people like you lot. The reason I persevere here is in the forlorn hope that maybe somebody here is genuinely searching. Apparently not. We are available for those who are in that category.
As for you lot, it has been an eye-opening diversion during this Covid pandemic, to read how many of you see the world without God in it.
Thank you all for helping me confirm even more how much my life depends on a relationship with God by His son Jesus, and what sort of resistance there is in this world to Christianity. A world of anti-theists I have not encountered much before.

Religion aside, do you think it is important for beliefs and statements to be supported by evidence?

Or is your worldview generally evidence-free?

When a new drug is sold, should we demand evidence that it does what it claims and is safe? Or is faith sufficient?

In a court, should we demand evidence before convicting someone? Or is belief sufficient?

I don't understand how people observe a certain standard of evidence generally but then abandon that completely when it comes to outlandish, supernatural claims about religion.

Just show me the evidence, as with every other truth claim.

 

[Vdubs]

Religion aside, do you think it is important for beliefs and statements to be supported by evidence?

Or is your worldview generally evidence-free?

When a new drug is sold, should we demand evidence that it does what it claims and is safe?

In a court, should we demand evidence before convicting someone?

I don't understand how people observe a certain standard of evidence generally but then abandon that completely when it comes to outlandish, supernatural claims about religion.

Just show me the evidence, as with every other truth claim.

Do you swear an oath on the Bible in court?

 

[Gethelred]

I address questions. Think about that. What does it mean to address?

No, you don't. You quote posts with questions in them, and spend the better part of 100-200 words avoiding answering those questions.

Case in point: do you think that people who are not christians are capable of love? Is this a hard question to answer? If so, why?

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Do you swear an oath on the Bible in court?

Not necessarily. And what point does that make?

Why not answer my question?

Do you believe generally in a requirement for evidence to support truth claims?

 

[Total Power]

Do you swear an oath on the Bible in court?

That's why so many lie?