Religion Ask a Christian - Continued in Part 2

[Chief]

Continued in Part Two:

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/ask-a-christian-part-2.1295001/unread

 

[Total Power]

More and more Catholics identifying as “born-again”

Born-again Catholics on rise.

aleteia.org

You havent answered my question, again. How many born agains?

So you have Jews and Muslims disagree with you, heck you even have more than half of your own disagree with you lol

Things aren't looking that bright for you lol. Time to quit?

 

[Vdubs]

You havent answered my question, again. How many born agains?

So you have Jews and Muslims disagree with you, heck you even have more than half of your own disagree with you lol

Things aren't looking that bright for you lol. Time to quit?

Just warming up.
There is still time to inform those who are not aware of Jesus.
None of those groups you mentioned qualify.

 

[Total Power]

Just warming up.
There is still time to inform those who are not aware of Jesus.
None of those groups you mentioned qualify.

If your 'methods' are bad as you seem to post here, no wonder they are leaving in numbers! try to save your cult by migrating to 3rd world countries and preying on uneducated people, the only way you can survive.

Half of your heathens don't even agree with you lol yet you are going to 'preach' others about your 'truth' lol..as i said the irony gets better and better with your posts. If you don't need to be Christiian to go to heaven, you are done! your faith is useless!

and you still haven't answered my question, what's the born again christiian number compared to catholics? you were banging on about how so many people follow this and that and all of a sudden numbers are irrelevant hey? LOL.

Green Day's walking contradiction was named after meeting you or something?

 

[Vdubs]

If your 'methods' are bad as you seem to post here, no wonder they are leaving in numbers! try to save your cult by migrating to 3rd world countries and preying on uneducated people, the only way you can survive.

Half of your heathens don't even agree with you lol yet you are going to 'preach' others about your 'truth' lol..as i said the irony gets better and better with your posts. If you don't need to be Christiian to go to heaven, you are done! your faith is useless!

and you still haven't answered my question, what's the born again christiian number compared to catholics? you were banging on about how so many people follow this and that and all of a sudden numbers are irrelevant hey? LOL.

Green Day's walking contradiction was named after meeting you or something?

many Catholics are born again as well- did you not read my reply?
One can be Catholic AND Born Again. I would be if I was Catholic again.
They are not mutually exclusive.

 

[Total Power]

many Catholics are born again as well- did you not read my reply?
One can be Catholic AND Born Again. I would be if I was Catholic again.
They are not mutually exclusive.

So what percentage are Born again? do you have a figure? the figurehead of catholic religion says you are wrong and yet you are here disputing this with me lol...Jesus indeed.

 

[Vdubs]

So what percentage are Born again? do you have a figure? the figurehead of catholic religion says you are wrong and yet you are here disputing this with me lol...Jesus indeed.

15-26%.

 

[Total Power]

15-26%.

So way less than Catholics cool! So if you are catholic, you must listen to the Pope orelse you arent catholic. Even if i discount a small chunk of catholics disagreeing with the pope, you will still have the largest christian sect, by a long long way arguing against your beliefs. So how are you right, when your own people don't agree with you?

 

[Vdubs]

So way less than Catholics cool! So if you are catholic, you must listen to the Pope orelse you arent catholic. Even if i discount a small chunk of catholics disagreeing with the pope, you will still have the largest christian sect, by a long long way arguing against your beliefs. So how are you right, when your own people don't agree with you?

15-26%of Catholics are born again according to what I just looked up.
I don't know what % of non Catholic Christians are born again. But what tree are you barking up now?
The Pope is not infallible- he is a mere man, and at times what he says has to be put up against scripture.
Many Catholics don't always agree with his pronouncements.
The non Catholics could not care less what he says- and that is 50% of Christians.

 

[Total Power]

15-26%of Catholics are born again according to what I just looked up.

You don't do maths? discounting 20% of the catholics, they are still the largest christian sect by a quite a big margin.

I don't know what % of non Catholic Christians are born again. But what tree are you barking up now?
The Pope is not infallible- he is a mere man, and at times what he says has to be put up against scripture.
Many Catholics don't always agree with his pronouncements.
The non Catholics could not care less what he says- and that is 50% of Christians.

You said 'you have no authority on the bible' . Majority of the christians think pope is the authority in Christianity.

It seems to me you will believe in no one that won't agree with your supremacist views. Popes authority over the Bible is certainly > yours, this is not even up for debate, why on earth are you fighting this?

 

[Vdubs]

You don't do maths? discounting 20% of the catholics, they are still the largest christian sect by a quite a big margin.



You said 'you have no authority on the bible' . Majority of the christians think pope is the authority in Christianity.

It seems to me you will believe in no one that won't agree with your supremacist views. Popes authority over the Bible is certainly > yours, this is not even up for debate, why on earth are you fighting this?

Fighting what? No fight here. You just create issues and get all caught up.
You are some sort of antagonist?
You harped on about wanting me to comment on Islam some months ago.
Did not bite.
Now the Pope.
50% of Christians are not Catholic.
50% are.
John 14:6 is very relevant.

 

[Total Power]

John 14:6 is very relevant.

To you. Only your interpretation of it.

And you are a christian supremacist, so what value do you have to add to it?

 

[Vdubs]

To you. Only your interpretation of it.

You have read it.
Up to you to accept it or deny it.
No issue if you want to come back to it later. God is patient.

 

[Total Power]

You have read it.
Up to you to accept it or deny it.
No issue if you want to come back to it later. God is patient.

You have read the verse where he wanted women to be quiet too and moses to rape the virgins. Looks like you don't approve that?

I only gave Pope's example cause i thought you will listen to your kinds, looks like you only listen to yourself and no one else.

And your interpretation of the verse is wrong, is 14:6 is true, then all other religions are wrong and you are right, as usual, you are adding no value outside of your supremacist bullshit.

 

[Vdubs]

You have read the verse where he wanted women to be quiet too and moses to rape the virgins. Looks like you don't approve that?

I only gave Pope's example cause i thought you will listen to your kinds, looks like you only listen to yourself and no one else.

And your interpretation of the verse is wrong, is 14:6 is true, then all other religions are wrong and you are right, as usual, you are adding no value outside of your supremacist bullshit.

What is my interpretation? Different from yours? It is self-explanatory. I didn't change the words that I read to be different from the ones you read. If you can't handle that, fine. The words of Jesus are there to be read- the essence of Christianity. '
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And the words of Jesus are pre-eminent over the words of Paul, or any spiritual leader throughout history, albeit true that Paul was one very solid and inspirational follower of Jesus.

 

[Total Power]

What is my interpretation? Different from yours? It is self-explanatory. I didn't change the words that I read to be different from the ones you read. If you can't handle that, fine. The words of Jesus are there to be read- the essence of Christianity. '
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Its not self explanatory at all. In early Christian traditions Christ was a principle, christic principle meant upright action, in both Arian Chrisitanity and Gnoticism, chrisitic principl is upheld at all times, hence the verse went 'no one reaches the father but through me'.Maybe you want to read a page or two about the history of your own religion? you might learn a thing or two and educate yourself?

And the words of Jesus are pre-eminent over the words of Paul, or any spiritual leader throughout history, albeit true that Paul was one very solid and inspirational follower of Jesus.

How can you be a follower of someone you never met, seen or heard, except through dreams? are you saying he was crazy?

Considering half the things were copied from Buddhism and other pagan religions, it's funny you would say this.

 

[Vdubs]

1.Its not self explanatory at all. In early Christian traditions Christ was a principle, christic principle meant upright action, in both Arian Chrisitanity and Gnoticism, chrisitic principl is upheld at all times, hence the verse went 'no one reaches the father but through me'.Maybe you want to read a page or two about the history of your own religion? you might learn a thing or two and educate yourself?




2.How can you be a follower of someone you never met, seen or heard, except through dreams? are you saying he was crazy?

1. It is self-explanatory
2. Jesus is followed by me and billions because He was the greatest human that ever existed and because He is the way to God. Once you have an encounter with Him, you realise how much others need that. Painful watching people struggle with their ignorance. Not so for you- ignorance is not your thing- just blatant rejection.

In all circumstances, Christians say to themselves- WWJD? WHAT WOULD JESUS DO?
Right now, time for sleep.

 

[Total Power]

1. It is self-explanatory

Its not i just explained it to you why, this is your own history, it's a shame you don't know about your own history. There are other intepreptations of the verses, where you approve them or not, makes no difference to me or anyone else. Your literal interpretation is not correct.

2. Jesus is followed by me and billions because He was the greatest human that ever existed and because He is the way to God. Once you have an encounter with Him, you realise how much others need that. Painful watching people struggle with their ignorance. Not so for you- ignorance is not your thing- just blatant rejection.

lol here we go again, followed by billions again. I can never have an encounter with a character in your head and neither can you, outside of your own brain. LOL you need to get well soon from your mental illness.

 

[Vdubs]

Its not i just explained it to you why, this is your own history, it's a shame you don't know about your own history. There are other intepreptations of the verses, where you approve them or not, makes no difference to me or anyone else. Your literal interpretation is not correct.


lol here we go again, followed by billions again. I can never have an encounter with a character in your head and neither can you, outside of your own brain. LOL you need to get well soon from your mental illness.

If He was only in my head, you may have an argument, but when you visit the millions of Christ believing churches worldwide, you realise this is for real, everywhere, in every language. Same Jesus. Same God.

 

[Total Power]

If He was only in my head, you may have an argument, but when you visit the millions of Christ believing churches worldwide, you realise this is for real, everywhere, in every language. Same Jesus. Same God.

Popularity argument again, do you ever get tired of the same debunked old arguments again? The leader of the largest Christian sect just disagreed with you but you are still here fighting your own battle lol...you really need to wake up and realise you are mentally ill

 

[Vdubs]

Popularity argument again, do you ever get tired of the same debunked old arguments again? The leader of the largest Christian sect just disagreed with you but you are still here fighting your own battle lol...you really need to wake up and realise you are mentally ill

Talking to you all night could be bad for my health. Cheerio. Time for zzzzzzzz's.

 

[Total Power]

Talking to you all night could be bad for my health. Cheerio. Time for zzzzzzzz's.

You mean get a dose of reality? You will listen to no one but yourself, you have seen your tired arguments debunked throughout in this thread mostly by myself and Roy and even by your own people in Pope, but you are here still insisting you are right. Brainwashing is a powerful tool, whoever did that, did an admirable job.


But lets analyze further about your misinterpretation of John 14:6. John is indisputably a mystical gospel. It was actually rejected for the canon because of its general mystical slant, such that a lot of the faithful thought it was Gnostic. It literally barely got into the canon at all. Thus, it’s only fair that we interpret this quote in a mystical fashion. You don't know the history of your religion and then come up with a pile of shit cause 'others said so' without understanding the context of the verse but i will get to that later on:

Jesus speaks in Matthew:


“They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”


even if your John verse is right, your interpretation is wrong, Christic principle remains, upright action which Jesus says over and over again, sell your possession for the poor, feed the blind and the needy, dont posses anything other than what's needed..the question is how many of these things have you done?? You realise John 14:6 doesn't state the word 'faith' right? You reckon by believing in Christ and preaching you are going to heaven? When he says 'i am the way' it doesn't mean accept me and pray and get to heaven, read the Armaic version...it means the 'the path i have taken'. Jesus is distinguishing Himself from them, accepting that those three things — the way, the truth, and the life — are indeed important, but He places them not in scripture, but in Himself.

Why did his son preach of loving your neighbor and treating others as you would want them to treat you if, in the end, you only needed to believe? Do you ever ask yourself questions like this?

The verse doesn't mean what you think it does. 100/100 for faith 0/100 in spirituality, you are a spiritual infant, if not worse.

so back to my question, what possessions have you sold, and how many homeless have you sheltered? i assume none, you are busy to buy yourself a ticket to heaven! lol Such selfish intentions and self people like you think they are going to heaven! maybe try not to read the Bible literally? Maybe someday you will get the idea that you have been wrong all along? As i said , i am not against Christianity, i am against people like you If there is a heaven, unfortunately, you are not getting a pass for sure.

 

[Vdubs]

You mean get a dose of reality? You will listen to no one but yourself, you have seen your tired arguments debunked throughout in this thread mostly by myself and Roy and even by your own people in Pope, but you are here still insisting you are right. Brainwashing is a powerful tool, whoever did that, did an admirable job.


But lets analyze further about your misinterpretation of John 14:6. John is indisputably a mystical gospel. It was actually rejected for the canon because of its general mystical slant, such that a lot of the faithful thought it was Gnostic. It literally barely got into the canon at all. Thus, it’s only fair that we interpret this quote in a mystical fashion. You don't know the history of your religion and then come up with a pile of sh*t cause 'others said so' without understanding the context of the verse but i will get to that later on:

Jesus speaks in Matthew:


“They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”


even if your John verse is right, your interpretation is wrong, Christic principle remains, upright action which Jesus says over and over again, sell your possession for the poor, feed the blind and the needy, dont posses anything other than what's needed..the question is how many of these things have you done?? You realise John 14:6 doesn't state the word 'faith' right? You reckon by believing in Christ and preaching you are going to heaven? When he says 'i am the way' it doesn't mean accept me and pray and get to heaven, read the Armaic version...it means the 'the path i have taken'. Jesus is distinguishing Himself from them, accepting that those three things — the way, the truth, and the life — are indeed important, but He places them not in scripture, but in Himself.

Why did his son preach of loving your neighbor and treating others as you would want them to treat you if, in the end, you only needed to believe? Do you ever ask yourself questions like this?

The verse doesn't mean what you think it does. 100/100 for faith 0/100 in spirituality, you are a spiritual infant, if not worse.

so back to my question, what possessions have you sold, and how many homeless have you sheltered? i assume none, you are busy to buy yourself a ticket to heaven! lol Such selfish intentions and self people like you think they are going to heaven! maybe try not to read the Bible literally? Maybe someday you will get the idea that you have been wrong all along? As i said , i am not against Christianity, i am against people like you If there is a heaven, unfortunately, you are not getting a pass for sure.

Jesus IS THE ONE AND ONLY WAY TO GET TO GOD, and it is non-negotiable.
Several (7) times in scripture, He uses the term I AM, referring to Him being God.
Jesus is the way which every one of us must follow. Jesus is the truth in Whom we must believe. Jesus is the life in Whom we have our hope. And Jesus said - NO ONE comes to the Father but through Me. There is no other way to God; no other truth about God; and no other life apart from God. Christ's claim is exclusive. The one and only way, truth, and life is JESUS. No other religion, no other faith, no other path, no other philosophy, and no other gospel leads the sinner to God the Father, tells the truth about Him, and gives us His eternal life - other than JESUS. And this is a non-negotiable fact.

Jesus Christ is THE Way.
Jesus Christ is THE Truth.
Jesus Christ is THE Life.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

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[Gethelred]

Just warming up.
There is still time to inform those who are not aware of Jesus.
None of those groups you mentioned qualify.

Hey, I've got a group for you!

Andaman Islands' isolated tribes' independence may be in danger

If the Sentinelese are "pacified" following encounters with outsiders, they may suffer the same fate as other tribes in the Andaman Islands.

www.nationalgeographic.com

This lot haven't heard the word of god, and I don't think it'll happen any time soon; it's against international law to approach them. There's also the kind of shitty reality that they'd probably shoot you full of arrows on sight, so there's that too.

Maybe it's a worldwide conspiracy to keep putting the end of days off in perpetuity. After all, if Jesus can't return until everyone's been given the option to join the Jesus club, perhaps there's a group of religious people who'd prefer the world not ending. Maybe a group of people who like their life here. A group who have power, money, luxury; all the best this world can give you.

Oh, wait.



Maybe I should take it to the conspiracies board, see how many takers I can get.

 

[Baltimore Jack]