Religion Ask a Christian - Continued in Part 2

[Chief]

Continued in Part Two:

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/ask-a-christian-part-2.1295001/unread

 

[Total Power]

You reckon if the scriptures were written by the Einstein equivalent in the language of quantum physics people would have flocked to it because they would have had such an outstanding understanding of quantum physics back in the day?

Do we expect adults who have completed their schooling to understand quantum physics? No.
The people that do understand quantum physics have to dumb it down so that they can explain it to the rest of us plebs.


Our knowledge of genetics also tells us that we originate from apes whose society was male dominated rather than the apes whose society was female dominated....because reasons...

Quantum physics lol...who cares about QP? Even scientists struggle to understand it, why would God write it in such a way? But i would expect God to show he is kind and merciful and get the basic facts right. The fact that religions can't even get the basic facts right? not like Bible is original but it claims to be original right? You would think God, the all knowing, powerful would come and tell us slavery is wrong. We were barbarians remember? Just go with the flow bro, cause remember, in a society that embraced slavery, God went with it. You would reckon God would come tell us that women and men are equal. Nope, too much to expect. Instead God behaved in the same way us goat herders did.

 

[Number37]

Quantum physics lol...who cares about QP? The fact that religions can't even get the basic facts right? not like Bible is original but it claims to be original right? You would think God, the all knowing, powerful would come and tell us slavery is wrong. We were barbarians remember? you would reckon God would come tell us that women and men are equal. Nope, too much to expect. Instead God behaved in the same way us goat herders did.

Again with the supposing....
And you're only supposing in an attempt to legitimize your otherwise feeble argument.

'I don't believe in that God stuff but I reckon I know what God would do or intend' .....doesn't sound legit to me. Sounds like an awful lot of convenience.

 

[Total Power]

Again with the supposing....
And you're only supposing in an attempt to legitimize your otherwise feeble argument.

'I don't believe in that God stuff but I reckon I know what God would do or intend' .....doesn't sound legit to me. Sounds like an awful lot of convenience.

So God has perfectly legit reasons to endorse, rape, pedophilia and slavery? Ok that tells me something. Cool

 

[Number37]

So God has perfectly legit reasons to endorse, rape, pedophilia and slavery? Ok that tells me something. Cool

More supposing....
Your entire position is based on supposing something that you don't believe.


But let's not get sidetracked from the objective.

You got there. Eventually.
And you only had to make up a whole heap of shit to get there.
You should try to be a little more unpredictable next time.
Make it interesting. Same same is boring.

 

[Total Power]

More supposing....
Your entire position is based on supposing something that you don't believe.


But let's not get sidetracked from the objective.

You got there. Eventually.
And you only had to make up a whole heap of sh*t to get there.
You should try to be a little more unpredictable next time.

You come across as a very aggressive person, you straight out go for the offensive and insult people when nones needed. You are cool, as long as people agree with you, the moment they don't you show your true colours and this isn't the only thread and i am not the only poster saying this. This is why in the past i have avoided quoting you.

Anyway, i am not sidetracked, i am not pretending to be neutral here, like you are, clearly a religious apologist and i have had exchanged with you before about this. My position is constant, Christians state, 'God is Love', nek minit 'Unbelievers are dogs who licks vomit', or 'Unebelivers are destined for a lake of fire'.
Or you can say, slavery is ok, rape is ok, genocide is also ok or even better, 'worship me and follow me' above everyone, cause i want attention, although the best i could do is write a book manipulated for 1000 years.

Maybe we just don't understand Godly love? (in that case why the **** do people say God is kind, loving blah blah blah ??? ) Maybe through the Bible, you can enlighten us what Godly love is? I am not holding my breath, all i will get another 5 lines of button mashing adhoms to get out of this.

You are on fire, carry on. There is more joy in replying to BT than you, try to act like a grown up next time if you wish to have a conversation even if you don't agree with people.

 

[Opine]

You come across as a very aggressive person, you straight out go for the offensive and insult people when nones needed. You are cool, as long as people agree with you, the moment they don't you show your true colours and this isn't the only thread and i am not the only poster saying this. This is why in the past i have avoided quoting you.

Anyway, i am not sidetracked, i am not pretending to be neutral here, like you are, clearly a religious apologist and i have had exchanged with you before about this. My position is constant, Christians state, 'God is Love', nek minit 'Unbelievers are dogs who licks vomit', or 'Unebelivers are destined for a lake of fire'.
Or you can say, slavery is ok, rape is ok, genocide is also ok or even better, 'worship me and follow me' above everyone, cause i want attention, although the best i could do is write a book manipulated for 1000 years.

Maybe we just don't understand Godly love? (in that case why the fu** do people say God is kind, loving blah blah blah ??? ) Maybe through the Bible, you can enlighten us what Godly love is? I am not holding my breath, all i will get another 5 lines of button mashing adhoms to get out of this.

You are on fire, carry on. There is more joy in replying to BT than you, try to act like a grown up next time if you wish to have a conversation even if you don't agree with people.

Oh phaleaase. What does one reasonably expect under the circumstances. You blokes go the passive aggressive route with the occasional call for expulsion and slaughter and you expect your targets to be endlessly warm and fuzzy. Harden up sonny.

 

[Total Power]

Oh phaleaase. What really does one reasonably expect under the circumstances. You blokes go the passive aggressive route with the occasional call for expulsion and slaughter and you expect your targets to be endlessly warm and fuzzy. Harden u sonny.

Discuss the Bible. Is it too much to ask for? Show me where i have been aggressive in my argument? i have always provided reasons behind it and it doesn't include 'you are full of shit' argument

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Oh phaleaase. What really does one reasonably expect under the circumstances. You blokes go the passive aggressive route with the occasional call for expulsion and slaughter and you expect your targets to be endlessly warm and fuzzy. Harden u sonny.

You're totally deflecting the point here.

It was you who posted "blah blah blah" to a perfectly reasonable post.

Pretty sure there's something in the bible about taking the mote out of your own eye before telling someone else to get the speck out of theirs.

If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

 

[Opine]

Discuss the Bible. Is it too much to ask for? Show me where i have been aggressive in my argument? i have always provided reasons behind it and it doesn't include 'you are full of sh*t' argument

Not many, if any, have your grounding on the subject. I dare say much of the seeming aggressive rebuttals aren’t directed at you.

 

[Total Power]

Not many, if any, have your grounding on the subject. I dare say much of the seeming aggressive rebuttals aren’t directed at you.

Appreciate your response, thanks.

 

[Number37]

You come across as a very aggressive person, you straight out go for the offensive and insult people when nones needed. You are cool, as long as people agree with you, the moment they don't you show your true colours and this isn't the only thread and i am not the only poster saying this. This is why in the past i have avoided quoting you.

Anyway, i am not sidetracked, i am not pretending to be neutral here, like you are, clearly a religious apologist and i have had exchanged with you before about this. My position is constant, Christians state, 'God is Love', nek minit 'Unbelievers are dogs who licks vomit', or 'Unebelivers are destined for a lake of fire'.
Or you can say, slavery is ok, rape is ok, genocide is also ok or even better, 'worship me and follow me' above everyone, cause i want attention, although the best i could do is write a book manipulated for 1000 years.

Maybe we just don't understand Godly love? (in that case why the fu** do people say God is kind, loving blah blah blah ??? ) Maybe through the Bible, you can enlighten us what Godly love is? I am not holding my breath, all i will get another 5 lines of button mashing adhoms to get out of this.

You are on fire, carry on. There is more joy in replying to BT than you, try to act like a grown up next time if you wish to have a conversation even if you don't agree with people.

Oh that thing again...
I'm not aggressive, just blunt.
I'm blunt so that you & I don't have to go through that whole charade of yours, we can just get to the point.
You know the charade, let's not pretend eh.

I don't believe this thing...but I can tell you what it might, or might not, intend or do. <----your position
I don't believe this thing <---should be your end point.
Anything you may want to add after this point is just made up shit, is it not?
It can't be based on the thing because you don't believe the thing, so it must be based on something else...your opinion maybe? ie baseless. ie made up shit.

 

[Opine]

You're totally deflecting the point here.

It was you who posted "blah blah blah" to a perfectly reasonable post.

Pretty sure there's something in the bible about taking the moat out of your own eye before telling someone else to get the speck out of theirs.

If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Roy is a knowledgeable poster and a fine one at that. But he’s camped out in a Christian thread thinking he’s owed proof. He’s about 2000 odd years too late. Western democracies have already expressly and implicitly accepted Christianity and developed their frameworks accordingly.

It’s not surprising that genius scientists such as Hawking feel burdened to scientifically rebut the existence of a deity. But not Roy, and the likes of others, you blokes thinks 2000 odd years of custom owe him and you a burden of proof.

 

[Opine]

The only poster in here who factually rebuts is TP.

 

[Opine]

Christians in this thread are entitled to a starting presumption. They have 2000 odd years on their side. So get to work and rebut, SBD; gather your evidence and present it to them

 

[Total Power]

The only poster in here who factually rebuts is TP.

I think Roy is a wealth of knowledge, i PM him from time to time to ask about history stuff (not related to Bible). I think it's important to understand how mythology works. Someone like N37 will dismiss it saying 'you know nothing' but archetypes and symbolisms are very important in mythology. This is why i read other religions to understand the parallels between them. Make no mistake, my gripe is against the organised 'supremacist' types. I mean militant atheists are also just as bad. I have been bashed from pillar to post by both atheists/theists alike, but i don't think there is any need for name calling.

 

[Rosscoe]

That may well be, but what I’m interested in here is what a Christian’s definition of the word “dead” is.

Dead is when your organs stop and you go cold.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Roy is a knowledgeable poster and a fine one at that. But he’s camped out in a Christian thread thinking he’s owed proof. He’s about 2000 odd years too late. Western democracies have already expressly and implicitly accepted Christianity and developed their frameworks accordingly.

It’s not surprising that genius scientists such as Hawking feel burdened to scientifically rebut the existence of a deity. But not Roy, and the likes of others, you blokes thinks 2000 old years of custom owe him and you a burden of proof.

He’s not thinking he’s “owed proof” he’s simply participating in an online forum about a particular topic, namely Christianity, and expecting (quite reasonably) that if people are going to make claims, that they can back them with evidence.

Otherwise, maybe they shouldn’t make claims. As I’ve said on here multiple times, if Christians on here choose to say “I freely admit I cannot explain it; all I can say is it works for me” they will get zero criticism from me.

But some Christians insist on making outlandish claims for their religion, and then get all snarky when asked to substantiate their claims with the only human construct we’ve yet developed for establishing truths, namely scientific fact.

And on your other point, Western democracies haven’t just accepted Christianity, the two have been symbiotically related for millennia. But democracy is not the fixed monolith you presume it to be. We live in a pluralistic society, another inevitable outcome of Western democracy, and Christianity no longer has the only mic.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Christians in this thread are entitled to a starting presumption. They have 2000 odd years on their side. So get to work and rebut, SBD; gather your evidence and present it to them

LOL I do plenty of rebutting.

And they’re not entitled to anything that any other BF poster is not entitled to. Get real.

 

[Total Power]

LOL I do plenty of rebutting.

And they’re not entitled to anything that any other BF poster is not entitled to. Get real.

Without saying 'you are an idiot'.

Well we are idiots, remember, We are not able to love cause we aren't religious, so this is all we are left with LOL!

God is love!! remember bro.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Dead is when your organs stop and you go cold.

OK, so clearly Jesus wasn’t dead, because we’re told that 3 days after being entombed he was up and moving around.

 

[Roylion]

Roy is a knowledgeable poster and a fine one at that. But he’s camped out in a Christian thread thinking he’s owed proof.

Once again.

When claims are made to truth without supporting evidence on a public forum, (which is effectively proselytizing), then those claims will be challenged.

He’s about 2000 odd years too late.

Too late for what?

Western democracies have already expressly and implicitly accepted Christianity and developed their frameworks accordingly.

Errr....yes. So?

But not Roy, and the likes of others, you blokes thinks 2000 odd years of custom owe him and you a burden of proof.

Those making claims to truth and wishing to convince people of the correctness of their position do need to provide at least some supporting evidence.

 

[Rosscoe]

OK, so clearly Jesus wasn’t dead, because we’re told that 3 days after being entombed he was up and moving around.

That is because unlike you and me his father was god and eternal; that which is eternal cannot be put to death.

 

[Opine]

Once again.

When claims are made to truth without supporting evidence on a public forum, (which is effectively proselytizing), then those claims will be challenged.



Too late for what?



Errr....yes. So?



Those making claims to truth and wishing to convince people of the correctness of their position do need to provide at least some supporting evidence.

evidence isn’t constrained to the direct kind. There’s also indirect evidence; and 2000 odd years and accompanying institutional framework and custom isn’t insignificant. They should be constantly asking you for evidence.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

That is because unlike you and me his father was god and eternal; that which is eternal cannot be put to death.

OK, so "dead" doesn't mean what you said it means. "Dead" can also mean "not dead"?

 

[Total Power]

evidence isn’t constrained to the direct kind. There’s also indirect evidence; and 2000 odd years and accompanying institutional framework and custom isn’t insignificant. They should be constantly asking you for evidence.

Much of the indirect evidence been made up by the Church. The passages like Great Commission and 'let the one without sin cast the first stone' were outright forgeries. When Arianism and Gnosticism was gaining momentum it was necessarily to turn Jesus into God or risk losing ground to paganism and Judaism.

You ever heard of the Gospel of Judas? Basically Jesus tells Judas to betray him so that he can actually be the guy who does the thing. Unfortunately the only copy that's ever been found has only partially survived.

The basic idea was that Judas knew the truth, and the others believed more what current Christians do, so Jesus went to Judas when he needed someone to make sure he was killed so prophesies could be completed.

The point was more that Judas wasn't betraying him, but was his one follower who really understood.