Opinion Best side 2018

[Stan The Caddy]

We didn't have the depth last year. Next year we have.

Agreed, but I still don't expect to see Cuthrie playing in the VFL though.

 

[Cataholic]

God please don’t lump him in with Mitch marsh!

Well, lets hope Cocky has a breakout game like Mitch just had........

 

[Ratcat]

HFF rotating mid sure, but Cocky isn't in that role as a link player which would be where Kelly is used. And I see almost no chance of him ending up closer to goal as a pure forward option, he plays primarily as an inside mid that's strong in the contest.

I don't know about that......some on BF say
NC is ultimately headed for the midfield.
I'd like to see him rotate through in 2018, gets him more involved and handling the ball more often and he needs that.

I don’t think he's that agile and evasive, like McCarthy and Parfitt or probably Miers who are more natural pocket players.
He needs to get some midfield time and just win more footy, will improve his forward game also imo.
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[Jhye Clark 13]

Well, lets hope Cocky has a breakout game like Mitch just had........

AFL ovals aren't as flat.

 

[Landgraft]

I don't know about that......some on BF say
NC is ultimately headed for the midfield.
I'd like to see him rotate through in 2018, gets him more involved and handling the ball more often and he needs that.

I don’t think he's that agile and evasive, like McCarthy and Parfitt or probably Miers who are more natural pocket players.
He needs to get some midfield time and just win more footy, will improve his forward game also imo.
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So because Cocky may eventually become a midfielder Tim Kelly may take a small forward role? You've lost me.

 

[Ratcat]

So because Cocky may eventually become a midfielder Tim Kelly may take a small forward role? You've lost me.

He will play midfield next year is the tip. It's a pretty competitive space.

 

[Landgraft]

He will play midfield next year is the tip. It's a pretty competitive space.

Even if that does prove to be the case, he'd still be selected as a small forward option ahead of several others if he wasn't being selected as a midfielder.

 

[Cool Cat]

Well, lets hope Cocky has a breakout game like Mitch just had........

Good luck to the guy, but with the mediocrity he has served up over the years he would never have even been selected if merit had anything to do with it. Frankly, I don’t want cocky’s career to be anything like his.

 

[BORIS332]

Here's my best effort. I know the Thurlow selection on a wing is an interesting one, but I thought he was really good there towards the end of 2017, and I'd prefer Duncan as part of the midfield rotation, rather than on a wing.

 

[Turbocat]

I don't know about that......some on BF say
NC is ultimately headed for the midfield.
I'd like to see him rotate through in 2018, gets him more involved and handling the ball more often and he needs that.

I don’t think he's that agile and evasive, like McCarthy and Parfitt or probably Miers who are more natural pocket players.
He needs to get some midfield time and just win more footy, will improve his forward game also imo.
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I was just listen to Luff from Champion data talk about how the game has gone so much to a forward pressure game... I tend to think things go in cycles...and the small pressure types will be counted at some stage... but one think NC does almost better than anyone in our best 22 is tackle with venom. He is worth him in our side for that alone...yet he brings much more. We may endup having 4-6 mids that rotate thru the forwardline and he may be one of them but short term if he can bring his attack on the man and ball we will look a lot better.

The forward pressure may be a reason Fogerty could get into the best22 quicker than some may think

 

[Landgraft]

The forward pressure may be a reason Fogerty could get into the best22 quicker than some may think

I agree strongly with this. Fogarty is probably the best dark horse to become best 22 in 18.

 

[Ratcat]

I was just listen to Luff from Champion data talk about how the game has gone so much to a forward pressure game... I tend to think things go in cycles...and the small pressure types will be counted at some stage... but one think NC does almost better than anyone in our best 22 is tackle with venom. He is worth him in our side for that alone...yet he brings much more. We may endup having 4-6 mids that rotate thru the forwardline and he may be one of them but short term if he can bring his attack on the man and ball we will look a lot better.

I like his attitude as you say, he does make his presence felt, not doubting that.
I just doubt his effectiveness as a deep forward, cutting isn't his greatest talent unlike
McCarthy etc, and he isn't that fast at it either.
Possibly injuries have played their part. I think he would better serve the team high forward where he has more space and time.

 

[Seeds]

Here's my best effort. I know the Thurlow selection on a wing is an interesting one, but I thought he was really good there towards the end of 2017, and I'd prefer Duncan as part of the midfield rotation, rather than on a wing.

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Crameri is a rookie. He cant play unless there is an injury on the list and if there is an injury on the list you cant have the injured player playing in either the afl or vfl teams. And if there is an injury then its no longer best 22.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Crameri is a rookie. He cant play unless there is an injury on the list and if there is an injury on the list you cant have the injured player playing in either the afl or vfl teams. And if there is an injury then its no longer best 22.

Incorrect. Rules changed in 2018.
Rookies can play at any moment.

 

[Seeds]

Incorrect. Rules changed in 2018.
Rookies can play at any moment.

I take that back then. Awesome news.

 

[Nickoo]

Incorrect. Rules changed in 2018.
Rookies can play at any moment.

Exactly. Seeds are you the same person who used post very good stuff. This latest version is very narky, it feels as if you've been taken over.


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[Turbocat]

I like his attitude as you say, he does make his presence felt, not doubting that.
I just doubt his effectiveness as a deep forward, cutting isn't his greatest talent unlike
McCarthy etc, and he isn't that fast at it either.
Possibly injuries have played their part. I think he would better serve the team high forward where he has more space and time.

High forward or not ... he will use his fast twitch fibres to burst play open... and with in range of goal has shown a propensity to get on the end of a mark and kick a goal. It was cruel for him to kick 3 goals and then get injured again.
To me before all else ..he needs to stay fit and stay in the side for an extended period... if he does I feel he will smash doubts and become a gun player for us.

 

[Turbocat]

Incorrect. Rules changed in 2018.
Rookies can play at any moment.

True ... but its a further distortion of the Rookie lists... the concept has had its day.

The rookies are expected to be able to play rather than be players who were on the cusp but been past over as being too raw etc. Its seems the Rookie list gets used more and more as a way to list known commodities on a 1 years deal.... If Crameri was delisted and were prepared to , we could have listed him as a delisted FA... (if the dogs did not offer him a contract).. but I think it would have meant 2 years.

My default position is we should give that type of position to locals that we being looked at and missed some how. Ruggles may be considered a failure but he played afl , got a couple of years on a list and will now add strength to the local comp.

 

[cynical]

I was just listen to Luff from Champion data talk about how the game has gone so much to a forward pressure game... I tend to think things go in cycles...and the small pressure types will be counted at some stage... but one think NC does almost better than anyone in our best 22 is tackle with venom. He is worth him in our side for that alone...yet he brings much more. We may endup having 4-6 mids that rotate thru the forwardline and he may be one of them but short term if he can bring his attack on the man and ball we will look a lot better.

The forward pressure may be a reason Fogerty could get into the best22 quicker than some may think

With more teams come poorer quality teams that lack balance.

The pressure forwards obviously exploit the defenders who are slow and/or have poor disposal and decision making.

I would assume that this would result in smaller backlines (which in the future will result in taller forwardlines again)

I think having more pressure forwards reduces the variance, as applying pressure is a workrate issue while taking marks is dependent on a lot of things (good disposal from mids and outmarking defenders).

To put it simply a pressure forward might create 1-3 goals a game while someone like Menzel will kick 0-5 goals a game but not create any(from pressure), so if he has a bad game against a good team you get zero return while the pressure forward will create a more consistent goal stream.

Personally I'd err on the side of someone who applies more pressure when it comes to selection and team balance.

As far as Cocky is concerned to me he is automatic best 22, he tackles hard which can result in injuries(and fear) to the opposition and he has a lot of talent so he gets the Varcoe treatment (gifted games due to having desirable qualities other players dont have).

If Cocky lived up to his potential he could be a top 5 player in the AFL, there is no way a guy like that should be playing VFL over the multitude of average/below average players with limited upside who are currently in our best 22.

 

[Ratcat]

For a player going at 9 a game that's a huge call...in fact massive!
Top5 boy! I wish.

 

[Mahlepi]

We will not play too many games with Menzel and crameri

 

[Hood007]

TEAM INVALID.

No Jansen

Poor effort by me.

 

[Cataholic]

Good luck to the guy, but with the mediocrity he has served up over the years he would never have even been selected if merit had anything to do with it. Frankly, I don’t want cocky’s career to be anything like his.

A discussion for another day, but MM has always had the talent. A guy doesn’t smoke Dale Steyn with disdain for multiple boundaries without it.

Ian Chappell was spot on identifying that the stage wasn’t suitably set in each innings he played for him to demonstrate it, until now. And he’s matured by taking the time away to correct his deficiencies.

 

[Turbocat]

With more teams come poorer quality teams that lack balance.

The pressure forwards obviously exploit the defenders who are slow and/or have poor disposal and decision making.

I would assume that this would result in smaller backlines (which in the future will result in taller forwardlines again)

I think having more pressure forwards reduces the variance, as applying pressure is a workrate issue while taking marks is dependent on a lot of things (good disposal from mids and outmarking defenders).

To put it simply a pressure forward might create 1-3 goals a game while someone like Menzel will kick 0-5 goals a game but not create any(from pressure), so if he has a bad game against a good team you get zero return while the pressure forward will create a more consistent goal stream.

Personally I'd err on the side of someone who applies more pressure when it comes to selection and team balance.

As far as Cocky is concerned to me he is automatic best 22, he tackles hard which can result in injuries(and fear) to the opposition and he has a lot of talent so he gets the Varcoe treatment (gifted games due to having desirable qualities other players dont have).

If Cocky lived up to his potential he could be a top 5 player in the AFL, there is no way a guy like that should be playing VFL over the multitude of average/below average players with limited upside who are currently in our best 22.

Id agree to a point that the dilution of the playing talent has had an affect..contributing to the small forwardline .. but I think there are multiple inputs to the success of tactical advantage.. I tend to think of it as action and re-action ... they build a deadly tank attacking weapon and then they build a better tank and then a better weapon etc. A new idea can make what has traditionally works not viable anymore.. like in the old days when they used Line Infantry .. worked really well for musket based war ..but ammunition evolved weapons evolved and by the time of the Maxim it was sure way to quickly lose a battle. And once invented..there is no going back. Those who cry for the old days fail to grasp that..

To a degree we won flags with a certain def setup that highlighted and exposed weakness of teams developed using previously hard held mantras ... then sides study winning stratagems and the game evolves ..a strength becomes a weakness. A small forwardline exposed anyone who had an tallish , slowish careful backline .. and as we had taller type who traditionally played on smalls it worked well on us. Our setup worked well when we could force the long kick but not great against this new setup. For years smalls have hurt us in isolation but the last couple of years has seen basically small forward in all roles forward.

Clubs and teams will evolve ..as you say.. Will a small pressure forwardline work just as well with a more mobile small backline? ..Does the game find a way to rid itself with its preoccupation with risk management , which in part has allowed the small forwardline to become so effective .. It will take a while for it to change and I think we will have a small setup for a while yet .. Rich won it with less talented smalls ..and other sides will try get more talent in the small setup. IMO , If we could some how get the ball down to our forwardline... to a forwardline of Danger and Ablett and Cockatoo and perhaps McCarthy or Fogerty etc.. most backline will be quaking with the thought of stopping us and having all sorts troubles getting the ball out...

 

[Landgraft]

For a player going at 9 a game that's a huge call...in fact massive!
Top5 boy! I wish.

You are desperately clinging to that one flawed measure, huh?