Better Player

[Hawks 08]

All have their own strengths and weknesses but who would you rather have at their prime?

 

[one_twelve112]

At the peak of their powers - Kouta. For consistancey and longevity - Hird from Voss.

 

[Sainters08]

this is a joke right?

its not about how many premierships they've won, its about how good they are!

Harvey >> Voss >>>> Hird >>>> Bucks >> Kouta >> Roo >>>> Crawford

 

[BABYBOMBERS2007]

I am really sick of these Hird, Voss, Buckley threads.

Hird>Voss>>Buckley>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ricciuto>>>>Harvey>>>>Kouta>>>Crawford

 

[Sainters08]

I am really sick of these Hird, Voss, Buckley threads.

Hird>Voss>>Buckley>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ricciuto>>>>Harvey>>>>Kouta>>>Crawford

u really are a flipping idiot arent you?

hird the **** is sh*t compared to Harvey + Voss

 

[Tarkyn_24]

I dunno, it depends on the scenario, I don't really rate one more than the other, except for the fact I rate them all higher than Crawford. Glenn Archer would have been a better final choice.

I voted Kouta, simply because, from an opposition view, he's the one I'd least like ti play against. When the bloke get's hot, he can turn a game with his skill and prescision. A wonderful impact player, easily the best player in the competition at his peak in the 1999 Preliminary Final (especially the final quarter) and the 1999 and 2000 Seasons in general.

If I was looking for the evergreen Mr Reliable, it'd have to be Buckley or Harvey that I'd go for. Both are absolute champions, they give 100% week in week out, and you cannot deny the courage, skill, precision or leadership qualities.

If I was looking for a mecurial, team lifting player, it'd be James Hird. Not one player in this league could lift a team as he does, the bloke never gives up. Essendon will struglle in 2008 without the champion.

If I was looking for the budding leader, it'd be Michael Voss. With great players around him, many people said Voss was made out to be better than he actually was. This is a complete polar opposite to the truth. This bloke starred in a team of about 22 champion players. He can lift the team from anywhere on the field, his versatility a key asset.

If I was looking for mental and physical toughness, it'd have to be Glenn Archer, slightly ahead of Roo. Both had that physical presence, as did Voss, Buckley and Kouta, though not to as much of an extent, that showed that they weren't onna be screwed around by the opposition players at any time, the game was to be played on their terms.

Champions, the lot of them. Crawford shouldn;t even be menitioned with this upper echoleon.

 

[Deenamite]

I am really sick of these Hird, Voss, Buckley threads.

Hird>Voss>>Buckley>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ricciuto>>>>Harvey>>>>Kouta>>>Crawford

Hird>Voss>Harvey>Buckley>>>>>>>>>>Ricciuto>>>>>>Kouta>>>>>>>>>Crawford

 

[thebigboy]

Hird>Buckley>Voss>>>>Harvey>Riccuto>Kouta>>>>>Crawford.

When you have someone of the class and skill of Crawford last in this poll, it speaks highley about the others.

 

[Claude Balls]

The best football we have seen from that lot at the peak of their powers would come from Kouta and Hird. It is hard to vote for one single player. For example Kouta has produced better quarters and games of football than Harvey or Buckley, though he hasn't done it as consistently and for as long...

I'd say something like this:

Hird > Kouta > Voss/Buckley/Harvey > Riciutto >>> Crawford

Hird gets the nod over Kouta due to his ability to produce the same quality of football for a longer period of time.

 

[mark73]

this is a joke right?

its not about how many premierships they've won, its about how good they are!

Harvey >> Voss >>>> Hird >>>> Bucks >> Kouta >> Roo >>>> Crawford

Precisely, and on that basis it's;

Hird
Voss
Ricciuto
Buckley
Harvey
Crawford
Koutoufides

Crawford and Koutoufides could take each others spot at any given time. Neither of them are/were a patch on the others.

 

[Claude Balls]

Precisely, and on that basis it's;

Hird
Voss
Ricciuto
Buckley
Harvey
Crawford
Koutoufides

Crawford and Koutoufides could take each others spot at any given time. Neither of them are/were a patch on the others.

You have Kouta to thank for the 99 premiership... he single handedly beat essendon in the preliminary final. Shows how much you know.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

This poll almost made for some good discussion, but I appear to be the only one who has even gone near an analysis for it....

And Archer instead of Crawford FWIW

 

[mark73]

You have Kouta to thank for the 99 premiership... he single handedly beat essendon in the preliminary final. Shows how much you know.

And then got McKernanized the following week. Whose to say an Essendon defender wouldn't have? Or is this another one of those Essendon would've won the GF (yet ironically couldn't get past Carlton the week before) spoofs? Seriously, don't ever make comments like "shows what you know" when you spout crap like that.

 

[Carn Hawkas]

Crawf cause i'm biased

 

[Monkeyboy]

Who's best was the best - Kouta

But Hird is the number 1 career.

 

[ctrain07]

can I just say some of you are just to one eyed, stop just saying someone like harvey just because your a St. Kilda fan and so on. Be honoust and go with your head and not your heart. For mine it would be Voss, an inspirational leader, could turn a game in a few minutes and is just a legend of the game.

 

[raskolnikov]

can I just say some of you are just to one eyed, stop just saying someone like harvey just because your a St. Kilda fan and so on. Be honoust and go with your head and not your heart.

I agree. Hird for mine.

 

[SunKing]

At his peak Voss was the best..then Hird,Harvey,Kouta the rest..

 

[Claude Balls]

And then got McKernanized the following week. Whose to say an Essendon defender wouldn't have? Or is this another one of those Essendon would've won the GF (yet ironically couldn't get past Carlton the week before) spoofs? Seriously, don't ever make comments like "shows what you know" when you spout crap like that.

'"Shows what you know" fits quite well with your original post, in which you rate Kouta as being the equal worst of the group in question. I would have still used Kouta's performance in that prelim as the crux of my response even if you were not a Kangas supporter, it just so happens that you were, which altered the way I chose to phrase my point. At the end of the day, some of the football Kouta produced, like in that game, was so majestic that it propels him to the top bracket of those players, even if he could not do it for as many years as some of the others.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

I dunno, it depends on the scenario, I don't really rate one more than the other, except for the fact I rate them all higher than Crawford. Glenn Archer would have been a better final choice.

I voted Kouta, simply because, from an opposition view, he's the one I'd least like ti play against. When the bloke get's hot, he can turn a game with his skill and prescision. A wonderful impact player, easily the best player in the competition at his peak in the 1999 Preliminary Final (especially the final quarter) and the 1999 and 2000 Seasons in general.

I would have still used Kouta's performance in that prelim as the crux of my response even if you were not a Kangas supporter, it just so happens that you were, which altered the way I chose to phrase my point. At the end of the day, some of the football Kouta produced, like in that game, was so majestic that it propels him to the top bracket of those players, even if he could not do it for as many years as some of the others.

The argument about Kouta having a bad GF is also a weak one.

McKernan kept him quiet, but all champs have their off days. It was a game that he couldn't get into, but neither could the other 21 Carlton players. The Roos were clinical in thay win.

At his best, I rate Kouta the best of the lot.

If you don't agree that's fine.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Voted Kouta under the conditions of the OP.

Generally I don't rate him as highly as the others, except for Crawford, because he didn't produce for as long or as consistently.