Resource Beyond the "66 Game" Rebuild

[TooBlue14]

Apparently today with 9 players in the 18-21 year olds is the most we’ve played in 2018. Maybe forever.

 

[Jabba73]

That's dogs … isn't Thylacine a mutated cat thingie me bob?

Dunno. If he is colour blind, maybe he wants it in 50 shades of .... never mind. Disturbing

 

[gab213]

Apparently today with 9 players in the 18-21 year olds is the most we’ve played in 2018. Maybe forever.

We had nine players in that age range playing for us in the 1979 Grand Final

 

[FlowersByIrene]

GAME 57 Rnd 14 - LOSS vs Collingwood (59-79)
15 Youth Players
Coaches Votes:

[Supercoach] Youth - AFL Player Ratings (+/- change)
[187] Patrick Cripps – 508.3 (+14.9)
[28] Lachie Plowman – 309.3 (-6.5)
[110] Charlie Curnow – 324 (+14.4)
[82] Jacob Weitering – 275.3 (+0.9)
[63] Sam Petrevski-Seton – 248.3 (+4.4)
[56] Zac Fisher – 242.7 (+9.2)
[79] Aaron Mullet - 247.6 (+0.3)
[35] Jack Silvagni – 196 (-0.8)
[91] Matthew Kennedy - 156.2 (+10.7)
[77] Jed Lamb – 138.6 (+2.3)
[32] Jarrod Garlett - 105.5 (+2.6)
[74] Paddy Dow – 97.8 (+10.3)
[8] Cameron O'Shea - 34.1 (-1.9)
[34] Lochie O’Brien – 29.1 (+1.5)
[37] Cameron Polson - 10.1 (+7.5)

Average: 194.9

The result didn't come, we lost against the old enemy and had to walk away with another gallant loss but what did come was actually a very impressive result on our AFL Rankings. Look at some of these results, Patrick Cripps goes BANG, increasing his rating by a lazy 14.9. Charlie equally exploded by 14 and Zac Fisher, Matthew Kennedy and Paddy Dow increased by 10 and Cameron Polson got boosted by 7 after a strong performance. It was an impressive result all around by our kids on an AFl Player Ratings standpoint.

You may note the system has changed slightly, i've given up on SEN ever getting their rating system back up so i've stolen Supercoach to try and add a little extra layer of additional review. This is the best impartial metric I can find to try and rank a player's individual game performance. So hopefully we can start to see a bit of growth on their supercoach average. Let's see how it plays out.

Patrick Cripps had a HUMONGOUS game, he had 187 Supercoach Points (wow), 20 contested possessions, 29 disposals at 82% efficiency and 7 clearances. Cripps took control of the game at will, he took 7 marks including 3 contested marks, kicked 3 huge goals and laid 9 tackles. He is in Brownlow form. Charlie Curnow, can this guy stop exceeding my expectations? Not all all? He took 5 contested marks, FIVE! Kicked 3 goals and had 19 touches in all. Matthew Kennedy came back from his injury and looked like the man we recruited. He fought so hard, finding it 21 times, including 10 possessions 2 clearances and 3 tackles. Paddy Dow had a second or third breakout game (maybe the Rising Star nomination may come) he had 20 touches, 9 contested possessions, 4 clearances, 4 tackles and 3 inside 50's. Samo Petrevski-Seton spread really well taking 6 marks in 16 possessions and sending the ball inside 50 with precision twice. Jacob Weitering has worked back into form recently, he played really well as the second KPD. He marked well, taking 9 marks including a handful of brilliant intercept marks while collecting 11 touches at 82% efficiency. He also defended excellently against Mason Cox to pick up 11 1%ers. Zac Fisher struggled to get into the game after being blocked and battered at each contest. He had 17 touches and 5 clearances showing he can impact even when being limited by the opposition. Aaron Mullet returned and did.. play, he had 15 touches at 80%, took 6 marks and 2 1%ers. Jed Lamb was quiet this week, despite the game being niggly and confrontational which he would normally thrive in. He had 20 touches, 5 marks and 5 rebound 50's playing out of the defensive half this game. Cameron Polson came in and put on a LOT of pressure, he only had 4 touches but had 5 tackles and will undoubtedly get tickets from Bolton because of it. Jack SOS played more through the midfield again but had more limited impact this game with only 11 touches, 5 marks and 3 tackles (although they were BIG). Lochie O'Brien had 9 touches at 78% efficiency, 5 marks, 3 tackles and 1 inside 50. Lachie Plowman unfortunately went down with a knee injury and finished with only 3 touches. He had 5 1%ers in his brief time on the ground, giving us a glimpse of his importance to our backline. Cameron O'Shea, wasn't in the side originally and should not have been. 10 touches and 9 clangers... it says it all really. Not much more is needed.

 

[Arr0w]

AFL Player Ratings - as at the conclusion of R14

Cripps has achieved his highest rating, beating his best, set last year with a rating of 19. Charlie has jumped a spot, finally breaking the 200 level, Could he now catch DOC?

Patrick Cripps 18 5
Sam Docherty 141 -10
Charlie Curnow 187 25
Lachie Plowman 216 -15
Jacob Weitering 252 0
Sam Petrevski-Seton 286 8
Zac Fisher 297 9
Jack Silvagni 368 -2
Sam Kerridge 377 -14
Matthew Kennedy 411 10
Nick Graham 445 -1
Caleb Marchbank 449 3
Darcy Lang 457 1
Jarrod Garlett 478 2
David Cuningham 486 -3
Paddy Dow 489 12
Tom Williamson 519 -1
Harry McKay 537 -3
Jarrod Pickett 576 -4
Harrison Macreadie 590 -1
Ciaran Byrne 610 -6
Lochie O'Brien 611 -1
Pat Kerr 646 1
Cameron Polson 657 17

YTD Update

Fisher's rating continues to improve and before long will jump over 200 places in a season. With the rise of Charlie, his ratings have also improved 100 points on the year. Looking at the numbers, I would suggest our development of our youth is tracking well

Zac Fisher 197
Sam Petrevski-Seton 136
Paddy Dow 123
Harry McKay 117
Charlie Curnow 109
David Cuningham 60
Jack Silvagni 58
Matthew Kennedy 54
Caleb Marchbank 49
Cameron Polson 47
Nick Graham 33
Tom Williamson 29
Lochie O'Brien 21
Pat Kerr 19
Harrison Macreadie 14
Patrick Cripps 12
Jarrod Pickett 6
Lachie Plowman 5
Jarrod Garlett 5
Jacob Weitering -22
Darcy Lang -24
Sam Docherty -62
Sam Kerridge -65
Ciaran Byrne -107

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Would love to have seen how much Kennedy would have moved up if he played all games. Think he will be the biggest mover over the remainder of the season.

 

[CJMB]

Just had a look comparing our highest rated 22 players against Richmond's. We have an average rank of 252 with 281 points while the Tigs are at 184 & 345 respectively. Could argue that kind of suggests a 20% improvement across the board is roughly all that's needed to make up the difference between each end of the ladder.

Also looking into our 'top 22' there's a few names who probably won't be the future of the club, some who aren't necessarily getting a game each week. There's a decent sized chunk of kids who are (or will be) getting regular games so their rank should start to jump up as they accumulate weekly scores to their record.

(1-11) Cripps, Kreuzer, Wright, E Curnow, Simpson, Docherty, Murphy, C Curnow
(12-22) Casboult, Petrevski-Seton, Mullett, Fisher, J Silvagni, Kerridge, Kennedy, Lamb, Graham
(23-33) Marchbank, Lang, Garlett, A Silvagni, Phillips, Cuningham, Dow, Williamson, Shaw, McKay, Pickett
(34-45) Macreadie, O'Shea, Lobbe, Byrne, O'Brien, Kerr, Polson, De Koning*, Glass-McCasker*, LeBois*, McDaid*, Schumacher*

I'm looking forward to a lot of names that 3rd quarter pushing up into the one above. I've bolded the younger crop mentioned by Arrow for reference. * indicates yet to play.

 

[Mr_Plow]

This is nice, a few of our best youngsters trending up; career-high ranks.

Charlie, in particular, is storming into the top 100. Will be there by the end of the year if all keeps going well.

Jones into the top 200 for the first time in his career too.

 

[Jeremias]

Could someone please note the rankings tonight and then tomorrow morning as they are updated?

 

[Arr0w]

Could someone please note the rankings tonight and then tomorrow morning as they are updated?

Will do

 

[Arr0w]

AFL Player Ratings - as at the conclusion of R15

Patrick Cripps 18 0
Sam Docherty 163 -22
Charlie Curnow 173 14
Lachie Plowman 214 2
Jacob Weitering 258 -6
Sam Petrevski-Seton 279 7
Zac Fisher 293 4
Jack Silvagni 375 -7
Sam Kerridge 383 -6
Matthew Kennedy 404 7
Nick Graham 439 6
Caleb Marchbank 455 -6
Darcy Lang 460 -3
Paddy Dow 469 20
Jarrod Garlett 477 1
David Cuningham 490 -4
Tom Williamson 527 -8
Harry McKay 541 -4
Jarrod Pickett 565 11
Harrison Macreadie 596 -6
Lochie O'Brien 614 -3
Ciaran Byrne 633 -23
Pat Kerr 647 -1
Cameron Polson 670 -13

YTD Update

Zac Fisher 201
Sam Petrevski-Seton 143
Paddy Dow 143
Charlie Curnow 123
Harry McKay 113
Matthew Kennedy 61
David Cuningham 56
Jack Silvagni 51
Caleb Marchbank 43
Nick Graham 39
Cameron Polson 34
Tom Williamson 21
Lochie O'Brien 18
Pat Kerr 18
Jarrod Pickett 17
Patrick Cripps 12
Harrison Macreadie 8
Lachie Plowman 7
Jarrod Garlett 6
Darcy Lang -27
Jacob Weitering -28
Sam Kerridge -71
Sam Docherty -84
Ciaran Byrne -130

 

[Arr0w]

AFL Player Ratings - as at the conclusion of R16

Patrick Cripps 18 0
Charlie Curnow 167 6
Sam Docherty 187 -24
Lachie Plowman 214 0
Jacob Weitering 269 -11
Sam Petrevski-Seton 278 1
Zac Fisher 279 14
Jack Silvagni 381 -6
Sam Kerridge 388 -5
Matthew Kennedy 403 1
Nick Graham 433 6
Caleb Marchbank 454 1
Darcy Lang 462 -2
Paddy Dow 470 -1
David Cuningham 489 1
Jarrod Garlett 490 -13
Tom Williamson 524 3
Harry McKay 537 4
Jarrod Pickett 560 5
Harrison Macreadie 602 -6
Lochie O'Brien 605 9
Ciaran Byrne 637 -4
Pat Kerr 653 -6
Cameron Polson 664 6

YTD Update

Zac Fisher 215
Sam Petrevski-Seton 144
Paddy Dow 142
Charlie Curnow 129
Harry McKay 117
Matthew Kennedy 62
David Cuningham 57
Jack Silvagni 45
Nick Graham 45
Caleb Marchbank 44
Cameron Polson 40
Lochie O'Brien 27
Tom Williamson 24
Jarrod Pickett 22
Patrick Cripps 12
Pat Kerr 12
Lachie Plowman 7
Harrison Macreadie 2
Jarrod Garlett -7
Darcy Lang -29
Jacob Weitering -39
Sam Kerridge -76
Sam Docherty -108
Ciaran Byrne -134

 

[Blue Bloods]

FBI please don't give up on this thread, one of the few positive threads on here and the one I enjoy the most.

 

[BoltonsBlues]

This thread is amazing. I for one, am very thankful for it. Please update more often

 

[FlowersByIrene]

FBI please don't give up on this thread, one of the few positive threads on here and the one I enjoy the most.

Havent given up mate. Just have been super busy with work

Will get a post up over the weekend

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Hey guys i'm thinking of experimenting with something. Does anyone know, or would like to comment on the "prototype" lineup.

I.e how many rebounding defenders play in our side, or a great side (a side that can win a premiership), how many intercept markers, how many wing runners, how many pressure forwards, how many crumbing forwards, how many contested ball winners, how many uncontested accumulators, how many key defenders, how many contested marking key forwards, how many leading forwards? Can anyone make a suggestion?

I'm thinking something along the lines of:

FB: [Lock-down small defender] [Key position defender] [intercept marker]
HB: [Rebound defender] [key position defender] [rebound defender] [intercept marker]

R: [ruckman] [contested ball winner] [breakaway clearancer]
C: [wingman] [contested ball winner] [uncontested ball getter]

F: [high half forward] [contested marking forward]
FF: [pressure forward] [leading forward] [crumbing forward]



Does anyone have any thoughts?

And who are the prototype players in the league for that position, is Andrew Gaff the prototype wingman? Is Patrick Dangerfield the prototype breakway clearance player? Is Robbie Gray the protoype high half forward? Is Patrick Cripps the prototype contested ball winner?

 

[Keyza]

60 games down and only 6 to go.
Then the pain will be over.
Right?

 

[Worm4]

60 games down and only 6 to go.
Then the pain will be over.
Right?

Like I said in the Bookmarked thread , the 66 game rebuild will turn Into to a 132 game rebuild . Carlton wont contest finals until 2022 I reckon. Feel for Simmo that he wont win a flag with the Blues as a player. Perhaps as an assistant coach.....

 

[FlowersByIrene]

60 games down and only 6 to go.
Then the pain will be over.
Right?

Feels surreal that there is only 6 to go

 

[Bluebag13]

Feels surreal that there is only 6 to go

What’s the outcome of the 66 games?

Is it to say its only up from here and we have the players just need them to develop.

Is it to say we should be competitive next year, not necessarily making finals but pushing with 4 weeks to go type of thing.

How do we define a successful 66 game rebuild and have we achieved it?


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[FlowersByIrene]

What’s the outcome of the 66 games?

Is it to say its only up from here and we have the players just need them to develop.

Is it to say we should be competitive next year, not necessarily making finals but pushing with 4 weeks to go type of thing.

How do we define a successful 66 game rebuild and have we achieved it?


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I don't really know to be honest. I originally thought we'd be playing Finals at the end of this year.

It will depend on this offseason. If we recruit quality players in the 24-28 bracket we'll do okay... if we don't I'm very worried

 

[HereComesJuddy]

What’s the outcome of the 66 games?

Is it to say its only up from here and we have the players just need them to develop.

Is it to say we should be competitive next year, not necessarily making finals but pushing with 4 weeks to go type of thing.

How do we define a successful 66 game rebuild and have we achieved it?


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It was never told as a rebuild. It was a reset. What do you think reset means?

 

[Bluebag13]

It was never told as a rebuild. It was a reset. What do you think reset means?

I’m referring to the thread title.
I guess I can ask the same questions replacing rebuild with reset I still don’t know.
Either way I’m fine with the path we are taking just want to understand the concept of the 66 game rebuild/reset


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[HereComesJuddy]

I’m referring to the thread title.
I guess I can ask the same questions replacing rebuild with reset I still don’t know.
Either way I’m fine with the path we are taking just want to understand the concept of the 66 game rebuild/reset


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Come the end of this delist/trade/draft period a huge chunk of the players we perceive as not up to it will be off the list.

We will have a vastly new crop of players we believe can take us forward.

There will be changes each and every year but this will be the last decent cull. Then its all about getting games into the kids and teaching them.

Reset

 

[mickelboy182]

What’s the outcome of the 66 games?

Is it to say we should be competitive next year, not necessarily making finals but pushing with 4 weeks to go type of thing.

I would think this was the expected bare minimum. Looking unlikely barring a fairly significant turn around.