Big Cricket Thread

[THE A5]

Turner for David easily

 

[FKASC]

Turner for David easily
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Think David got exposure more often because the Hobart top order kept collapsing. Turner wasn’t required in quite a few games

 

[Tugga27]

Turner for David easily
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Based on what?

There's not much in it TBH and David has a slightly better strike rate.

 

[squashface]

Kelly over Hatz ideally but I don’t particularly rate either

 

[FKASC]

Kelly over Hatz ideally but I don’t particularly rate either

Matt Kelly's searing yorker double

Perth Scorchers quick Matt Kelly delivered two rapid and awesome yorkers to clean bowl Brendon McCullum and Matthew Renshaw

www.cricket.com.au

 

[Rowan18]

Turner for David easily
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Finch shouldn't be anywhere near this squad, yet alone captain.

Wasn't Chris Lynn injured for a lot of the tournament?

 

[Tugga27]

Kelly over Hatz ideally but I don’t particularly rate either

I rate both of them TBH.

I prefer Kelly at home.
Don't think either would let us down though.

 

[Ochre]

Matt Kelly's searing yorker double

Perth Scorchers quick Matt Kelly delivered two rapid and awesome yorkers to clean bowl Brendon McCullum and Matthew Renshaw

www.cricket.com.au

Happy 4th anniversary to all who celebrate

 

[Agent93]

Finch shouldn't be anywhere near this squad, yet alone captain.

Wasn't Chris Lynn injured for a lot of the tournament?

Nah, Lynn played a full complement of games (EDIT: that he was available for before going to the UAE tournament).

They've basically taken the top 6 run scorers of the regular season, and swapped in Smith for Clarke as the seventh because he averaged 109 from 4 innings.

Then they've added the 4 highest wicket takers (all pace) and then the highest wicket taking spinner to complete the 11.

I don't think there's a whole lot of analysis there about match impact; when runs were scored (eg. Finch cashing in while chasing a fairly impossible target) or when/how wickets were taken (batters getting out trying to slog at the death).

 

[Tugga27]

AT and the Scorchers getting a decent pump up in the HS.

3. It’s still the Scorchers, Sixers and a gulf to the rest

Maybe the BBL needs a domestic draft just for equalisation purposes. Although in some ways, it would be unfair to the Scorchers and Sixers who have built formidable squads and a culture where they retain almost all of their local talent. Perth Scorchers finished BBL12 with 22 points, the Sixers logged 21 points and the next best were the Renegades and Thunder (14 points). Perth lost its three imports (Phil Salt, Laurie Evans and Tymal Mills) on the eve of the season and had to replace Faf du Plessis and Adam Lyth mid-tournament. Perhaps the greatest difference between the Scorchers, Sixers are their rivals remains their depth. How many other franchises could bring a player of the quality of Cameron Bancroft in from the wilderness mid-season? Or have the luxury of rotating Stephen O’Keefe, Izharulhaq Naveed and Todd Murphy?

7. Ashton Turner still has an international future

Australia’s search for a T20 finisher might end up where it started. About 18 months after his last game for the national T20 side, Perth Scorchers skipper Turner has to be in the mix for Australia’s next squad. Turner led the Scorchers to a home final with 321 runs at an average of 48 and strike rate of 154. His ability to capitalise on the power play and change the tempo of matches makes Turner one of the best middle-order T20 batters in Australia. His ability to sum up the situation and react accordingly is something Australia could use in its middle order as opposed to opting largely for power hitters.

 

[THE A5]

Based on what?

There's not much in it TBH and David has a slightly better strike rate.

He’s got two more fifties in less innings. Turners also have been behind 3 other prolific run scorers, while David was best out of a deplorable bunch

 

[Tugga27]

He’s got two more fifties in less innings. Turners also have been behind 3 other prolific run scorers, while David was best out of a deplorable bunch

Turner has also been in a lot better side which helps as well.
David has been coming in under pressure.

Like I said, I don't think there's a lot in it but I don't think David is the wrong choice.

It's been picked by the coaches which is a good indication.

 

[Dazzler9]

Usman Khawaja was left behind as the rest of the Australian team left for India on Tuesday.
As the team flew out the day after the Australian Cricket Awards on Monday night, Khawaja was stranded due to visa issues.

The left-handed opener was the only member of the travelling party who didn’t receive clearance on his visa.
It remains unclear why Khawaja’s was the only member denied a visa, with the Pakistan-born star expected to join the team later in the week.
All applications for the touring party were said to have been submitted at the same time during the Sydney Test, but Khawaja was the only one knocked back, according to the Herald Sun.

 

[Goroyals22]

The nicest bloke in that team was Garner, always signing autographs on the boundary, he sighed the small cricket bats they gave us.

The West Indies were the best team in the 80s by far if you wanted stuff signed as a kid. Would sign till there was no one left….

The Australian team were just a pack of a holes….. not much has changed

 

[THE A5]

How good

 

[MrWoollie]

The West Indies were the best team in the 80s by far if you wanted stuff signed as a kid. Would sign till there was no one left….

The Australian team were just a pack of a holes….. not much has changed

Even in the 90's.

I was in Pakistan/India in 1998.
One of the passengers on our aircraft came onboard with a bat signed by the entire WI touring party.
Apparently she had bought it for her son and was just getting the hotel room key from reception when someone grabbed the bat and handed it around for everyone to sign. At first she was most upset about the vandalism of her present but eventually calmed down when it was pointed out who was doing the vandalism.

 

[southcoast]

3. It’s still the Scorchers, Sixers and a gulf to the rest

Maybe the BBL needs a domestic draft just for equalisation purposes.

With the number of WA players playing elsewhere in BBL you could almost argue there is a ‘draft’ of sorts.

 

[Agent93]

With the number of WA players playing elsewhere in BBL you could almost argue there is a ‘draft’ of sorts.

Was thinking about that recently... and IIRC only Brisbane aren't carrying an ex-Scorcher in their squad this season.

 

[THE A5]

Was thinking about that recently... and IIRC only Brisbane aren't carrying an ex-Scorcher in their squad this season.

strikers don't.

Munro played for heat tbh

 

[Tugga27]

You just know CA are going to stiff us first chance they get.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/cricket/bbl-news-cricket-australia-examines-ways-to-reduce-dominance-of-perth-scorchers-sydney-sixers/news-story/19bb221a5599dea8ba9241288de17ba7?amp

 

[FKASC]

You just know CA are going to stiff us first chance they get.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/cricket/bbl-news-cricket-australia-examines-ways-to-reduce-dominance-of-perth-scorchers-sydney-sixers/news-story/19bb221a5599dea8ba9241288de17ba7?amp

Paywall

Anything worth noting?

 

[Tugga27]

Paywall

Anything worth noting?

Sorry

Here's an excerpt.

"The Perth Scorchers and Sydney Sixers have again proved the gulf between the best and the rest in the BBL. And league organisers are pondering changes to end their reign.

Big Bash organisers are being forced to analyse the remarkable dominance of the Perth Scorchers and Sydney Sixers and ponder the question – are they too good?

The Scorchers have won four Big Bash titles, the Sixers three, and then it’s just one each for the Heat, Sydney Thunder, Adelaide Strikers and the Melbourne Renegades – down to duck eggs for both Hobart and the Melbourne Stars.

Perth in particular, with a sold out crowd of 50,000 expected for Saturday’s final at Optus Stadium, represents the BBL’s greatest success story and, at the same time, its biggest headache.

“Every league in any sport is underpinned by a sense of competitive balance and the notion that any team could win at the start of any season,” Cricket Australia’s Big Bash manager Alistair Dobson told News Corp.

“We have a couple of clubs that have been phenomenal in their consistency and record over 12 years. They should be commended for that and from our perspective every other club can continue to aspire to be as successful as those particular teams.

“And at the same time we’d love to see next year all eight teams enter the season with genuine hope of winning it. Because that’s how you get fans interested and involved in the competition.”

WILL THE BIG BASH MOVE TO A DOMESTIC PLAYER DRAFT?

What Big Bash bosses must get to the bottom of first and foremost is how much can the Scorchers’ and Sixers’ dominance be attributed to a discrepancy in talent, and how much of it is because they’re simply better run.

Western Australia is the premier organisation in state cricket at the moment. Brilliantly run by CEO Christina Matthews and well coached by Warriors and Scorchers coach Adam Voges. But the Scorchers are undoubtedly also benefiting from the fact the WA system is producing more Australian-ready players than anyone else.

It is why there is serious consideration being given to a domestic player Big Bash draft – to try and shake up the playing pool and create more separation between state squads and their BBL lists.

“The BBL was founded on really important principles that while the BBL teams are essentially managed and run by state associations, it’s an independent franchise competition where clubs are recruiting players from all around the country, not necessarily aligned to their own state programs,” Dobson said.

“I think across the board the comp has been really successful at moving players around the country to play for the teams they want. Whether there’s new mechanisms to help enable that, that’s obviously the discussion we’re having and there’s lots of different options.

“Inherently, players moving around competitions is healthy for the comp because it’s another way of helping drive competitive balance in the teams as long as it’s done in a way that players and clubs have all got options.”

 

[FKASC]

Sorry

Here's an excerpt.

"The Perth Scorchers and Sydney Sixers have again proved the gulf between the best and the rest in the BBL. And league organisers are pondering changes to end their reign.

Big Bash organisers are being forced to analyse the remarkable dominance of the Perth Scorchers and Sydney Sixers and ponder the question – are they too good?

The Scorchers have won four Big Bash titles, the Sixers three, and then it’s just one each for the Heat, Sydney Thunder, Adelaide Strikers and the Melbourne Renegades – down to duck eggs for both Hobart and the Melbourne Stars.

Perth in particular, with a sold out crowd of 50,000 expected for Saturday’s final at Optus Stadium, represents the BBL’s greatest success story and, at the same time, its biggest headache.

“Every league in any sport is underpinned by a sense of competitive balance and the notion that any team could win at the start of any season,” Cricket Australia’s Big Bash manager Alistair Dobson told News Corp.

“We have a couple of clubs that have been phenomenal in their consistency and record over 12 years. They should be commended for that and from our perspective every other club can continue to aspire to be as successful as those particular teams.

“And at the same time we’d love to see next year all eight teams enter the season with genuine hope of winning it. Because that’s how you get fans interested and involved in the competition.”

WILL THE BIG BASH MOVE TO A DOMESTIC PLAYER DRAFT?

What Big Bash bosses must get to the bottom of first and foremost is how much can the Scorchers’ and Sixers’ dominance be attributed to a discrepancy in talent, and how much of it is because they’re simply better run.

Western Australia is the premier organisation in state cricket at the moment. Brilliantly run by CEO Christina Matthews and well coached by Warriors and Scorchers coach Adam Voges. But the Scorchers are undoubtedly also benefiting from the fact the WA system is producing more Australian-ready players than anyone else.

It is why there is serious consideration being given to a domestic player Big Bash draft – to try and shake up the playing pool and create more separation between state squads and their BBL lists.

“The BBL was founded on really important principles that while the BBL teams are essentially managed and run by state associations, it’s an independent franchise competition where clubs are recruiting players from all around the country, not necessarily aligned to their own state programs,” Dobson said.

“I think across the board the comp has been really successful at moving players around the country to play for the teams they want. Whether there’s new mechanisms to help enable that, that’s obviously the discussion we’re having and there’s lots of different options.

“Inherently, players moving around competitions is healthy for the comp because it’s another way of helping drive competitive balance in the teams as long as it’s done in a way that players and clubs have all got options.”

It’s pretty lame. No one at the start of the season would have looked at the scorchers list and said there was a huge discrepancy of talent.

Re my Thunder posts in December - how can anyone look at this squad and suggest that Perth have some sort of unfair advantage

Warner/Gilkes
Hales
Roussouw
Davies
Sangha
Sams
Ross
Cutting
Sandhu
Green
Farooqi

That’s a seriously strong team on paper and should be beating most sides. Problem is too many of them didn’t turn up to play, or bailed halfway through to go to other comps. Farooqi would have finished in the top few wicket takers IMO but obviously did something to get booted.

Shouldn’t need to overhaul the system just because that team underperformed

 

[Dazzler9]

Every single year we look at the Scorchers squad and go, Geez, we could be in for a tough tournament this time. And every single year we raise eyebrows with how good we are.

The cricketing talent is spread evenly across the franchises. It seems clear that us and the Sixers just have the best programs and the best cultures. It's really that simple.

 

[Dazzler9]

What also happens every single year is that the Melbourne Stars are somehow anointed as the glamour club and pre-tournament favourites. And mostly they turn out to be just poor.