Bill Shorten - how long?

[SBD Gonzalez]

Albo would have won this in a landslide, bill is so hated he could lose the drovers dog mark 2 election

The Albo alternative is entirely a construct of the political media to hang their lazy narrative on. He has next to no recognition factor among the GP.

And it's irrelevant anyway, because its the 2PP which wins elections, and Shorten has had Labor leading that without a break for nearly three years.

And none of which detracts from the key fact, which you tried to avoid discussing, namely that the entire Liberal brand is so toxic that its own members are not mentioning what party they belong to.

Which is pretty much the most self-damning act I've seen in 40 years of watching elections.

The Liberal Party, by its own admission, stands for absolutely nothing.

There you have it folks. There's no "there" there.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Poor people may be higher in all those stats and have disadvantages but there is still nothing to actually stop someone in Australia from getting higher education and therefore make themselves a lot of money if they want to.

Well I just said there is plenty.

 

[bluespooner]

I don't feel bad , i've got a head like a chewed mintie

That's unfortunate. So effectively you've got nothing going for you.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

The ones that bill actually understand?

Whatever. So a politician stumbles. Unprecedented, I tell you!

On the other hand, did you hear the one about the "government" without a climate policy or an energy policy, begging us to re-elect them?

Best joke I've heard in years. (Well, it would be, if the future of a nation of 25 million wasn't being treated with such contempt and disdain in the process.)

 

[Kram]

Well I just said there is plenty.

You simply listed some stuff that people from poor socio-economic areas have higher stats in. In Australia there's absolutely nothing stopping anybody if they really want to get the highest level of education, nothing at all.

I came from a pretty poor family and there was no reason at all why I couldn't have go gone to University if I wanted to, like some of my other family members that did and now earn a lot of money.

Yes there are still disadvantages but we aren't in the US where there is no government help it's only available to the wealthy..

 

[QuietB]

You simply listed some stuff that people from poor socio-economic areas have higher stats in. In Australia there's absolutely nothing stopping anybody if they really want to get the highest level of education, nothing at all.

I came from a pretty poor family and there was no reason at all why I couldn't have go gone to University if I wanted to, like some of my other family members that did and now earn a lot of money.

Yes there are still disadvantages but we aren't in the US where there is no government help it's only available to the wealthy..

Australian is the US in that there are ever shrinking opportunities for people not cut out to go down that path

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

You simply listed some stuff that people from poor socio-economic areas have higher stats in. In Australia there's absolutely nothing stopping anybody if they really want to get the highest level of education, nothing at all.

I came from a pretty poor family and there was no reason at all why I couldn't have go gone to University if I wanted to, like some of my other family members that did and now earn a lot of money.

Yes there are still disadvantages but we aren't in the US where there is no government help it's only available to the wealthy..

You got through, and good on you. Others didn't because they copped a blow or combination of blows from the factors I mentioned (not to mention others; my list was by no means exhaustive), which you didn't. Not that hard to understand.

Yes, any one person from a poor background can theoretically make it through to higher education and go on to be a success in life.

But statistically, not as many will make it through as will from comfortable backgrounds. The parent's-postcode-when-you-were-born decisive factor I mentioned. There is no reason at all why we should tolerate that situation. Why should we?

 

[MC Bad Genius]

You simply listed some stuff that people from poor socio-economic areas have higher stats in. In Australia there's absolutely nothing stopping anybody if they really want to get the highest level of education, nothing at all.

I came from a pretty poor family and there was no reason at all why I couldn't have go gone to University if I wanted to, like some of my other family members that did and now earn a lot of money.

Yes there are still disadvantages but we aren't in the US where there is no government help it's only available to the wealthy..

I think you're making a semantic argument here. There's nothing "stopping" someone from making a decent fist of it, but there are plenty of obstacles they have to overcome to get there. Obstacles that people from a more advantaged background don't have to overcome. Given that there is certainly limited opportunity to be "successful" (an obviously subjective construct), it's much more likely that someone from a more privileged background is going to attain it, regardless of how much hard work and luck someone has. Those factors aren't nearly as important as the socio-economic upbringing.

But hopefully we can see the worm turn on that.

 

[Balls In]

Whatever. So a politician stumbles. Unprecedented, I tell you!

On the other hand, did you hear the one about the "government" without a climate policy or an energy policy, begging us to re-elect them?

Best joke I've heard in years. (Well, it would be, if the future of a nation of 25 million wasn't being treated with such contempt and disdain in the process.)

What will the effect on the climate be if Australia reverted to no carbon discarges tomorrow?

 

[Kwality]

Why do you always assume that people speak and act purely in self-interest?

Why do you always assume that people speak and act purely in self-interest?

known more than one self made person, no silver spoon, plain ordinary hard work & you'd sneer, get off your entitlement ... of course it helps if you have a go.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

What with the effect on the climate be if Australia reverted to no carbon discarges tomorrow?

What would the outcome be in the Gulf War if Australia hadn't committed troops?

 

[Kwality]

Will Bill get out of Qld without declaring if he for or against coal jobs, for or against Adani - its a virtual picket fence he is straddling, the CFMEU one side & the inner city types on the other.
Anyone running a book?

 

[Kwality]

Manual work like digging a ditch is a fair bit of yakka and boring as hell, but there's also zero thinking, pressure or stress involved involved with either.

dont need to get your wife to put the house up as collateral.

 

[Kwality]

Citation needed

& if true ....... add McEwen north of Melbourne.

 

[GreyCrow]

Will Bill get out of Qld without declaring if he for or against coal jobs, for or against Adani - its a virtual picket fence he is straddling, the CFMEU one side & the inner city types on the other.
Anyone running a book?

He is going to do his best to ignore it

His line should be '' if we form government we will be looking at all decisions made and making a determination that is in the best interests of the country''

A nothing statement but its better than choosing a side that is only going to get negative press no matter what he says

 

[Kwality]

Australian is the US in that there are ever shrinking opportunities for people not cut out to go down that path

The trades, home of the cubs, the cashed up bogans in their electric Hilux .... know any that make a buck, not generally big on the GST, cash preferred ... the black economy is still cranking.
You would have seen them working Good Friday, same as any other day if you want the big bucks, no super, no holiday pay, its not all rosy ...

 

[NSWCROW]

That's unfortunate. So effectively you've got nothing going for you.

Well i trigger you so there's that

 

[Kwality]

He is going to do his best to ignore it

His line should be '' if we form government we will be looking at all decisions made and making a determination that is in the best interests of the country''

A nothing statement but its better than choosing a side that is only going to get negative press no matter what he says

Fine politics but how do you feel if in Govt he goes for jobs (the CFMEU arent going to put jobs 2nd) over climate, coal over emmissions & he has dudded you? Just rationalise it ....

 

[GreyCrow]

Fine politics but how do you feel if in Govt he goes for jobs (the CFMEU arent going to put jobs 2nd) over climate, coal over emmissions & he has dudded you? Just rationalise it ....

You mistake me for someone that cares about Adani. I dont. If they stay they stay , if they get shut down no biggie for me either

Emotional distance.

I am thinking of a political strategy that allows the Labor Party to wiggle from the wedge.

 

[Kwality]

You mistake me for someone that cares about Adani. I dont. If they stay they stay , if they get shut down no biggie for me either

Emotional distance.

I am thinking of a political strategy that allows the Labor Party to wiggle from the wedge.

Poorly expressed on my part, I share the interest in the strategy more than the issue.

 

[GreyCrow]

Poorly expressed on my part, I share the interest in the strategy more than the issue.

Fair enough.

Its why I dont understand Morrison and some of his appearances and commentary. I get that polling has them behind and he needs to be front and centre but he should have similar lines for the difficult questions.

'' The allegations surrounding buybacks will be scrutinised at the appropriate time, as a caretaker Govt it is not our place to make comment on future Government matters''

Again not a great response but it effectively shuts the door instead of allowing everything you say be scrutinised for previous commentary. It doesnt help Drunk Barnaby destroys any protection he may have had

The problem the LNP has is they have no effective policy push-through so they are left defending the allegations of rorts and misbehaviour , making them look ineffective.

'But Labor' is not a policy platform to take to an election

 

[Sainteric]

Shifty Bill

Now pressing the his union overlords agenda, All casuals 2.6 million of them can practically convert to PT or FT after 12 months.

Way to wreck businesses that need flexibility.

https://www.theage.com.au/federal-e...ers-the-right-to-convert-20190423-p51gi1.html

 

[FredLeDeux]

Shifty Bill

Now pressing the his union overlords agenda, All casuals 2.6 million of them can practically convert to PT or FT after 12 months.

Way to wreck businesses that need flexibility.

https://www.theage.com.au/federal-e...ers-the-right-to-convert-20190423-p51gi1.html

The "flexibility" whinge flies right out the window when you're talking about de facto permanents who have been employed on the same pattern of hours for 12 months.

 

[Sainteric]

The "flexibility" whinge flies right out the window when you're talking about de facto permanents who have been employed on the same pattern of hours for 12 months.

They already have access to conversion if this is the case, unless the employer has a valid reason. Under shifty Bill valid reasons no longer applies

 

[FredLeDeux]

They already have access to conversion if this is the case, unless the employer has a valid reason. Under shifty Bill valid reasons no longer applies

No, he has said that he'll consult on the so-called "defence", ie excuse.