Billy Hartung

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I really had faith he could be a solid player but the one thing he never used was his pace and running ability and that's what he had.

People bagging his disposal are a bit harsh though, he was a good user of the ball...in saying that though he always chose the safe option and when he didn't boy did he * it up.

Honestly think we probably just had too many rules in place for what we wanted him to do and would much better suit a team who just let their wingers do what they want. Think he is a much better player on instinct.
 

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PenAndPaperJosh said:
I really had faith he could be a solid player but the one thing he never used was his pace and running ability and that's what he had.
Honestly think we probably just had too many rules in place for what we wanted him to do and would much better suit a team who just let their wingers do what they want. Think he is a much better player on instinct.
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Plenty of players that simply get muddled up when carrying too many instructions.
I feel for those guys who grew up playing on instinct, just to have that taken away from them, for strategy upon strategy.
 
HARKER said:
Plenty of players that simply get muddled up when carrying too many instructions.
I feel for those guys who grew up playing on instinct, just to have that taken away from them, for strategy upon strategy.
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Definitely
It was sad watching Curtly Hampton running in circles or unnaturally indecisive as he tries to resolve the confict between his instructions and agressive instincts. I'll be watching Nathan Wilson to see how he goes under Ross Lyon for the same reason.
 
I can't imagine there's a single AFL club where players are allowed to run around and play on instinct, rather than follow instructions and play to team structures. The game is more structured now than it ever is. The very best players at each club may have a little more licence to take things on, but they're still operating within team rules.

If a player can't learn to do that, they're not going to last very long at any AFL club nowadays.
 
liz said:
I can't imagine there's a single AFL club where players are allowed to run around and play on instinct, rather than follow instructions and play to team structures. The game is more structured now than it ever is. The very best players at each club may have a little more licence to take things on, but they're still operating within team rules.

If a player can't learn to do that, they're not going to last very long at any AFL club nowadays.
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The Giants hence why they can’t take the next step.
 
Bokonon_ said:
Definitely
It was sad watching Curtly Hampton running in circles or unnaturally indecisive as he tries to resolve the confict between his instructions and agressive instincts. I'll be watching Nathan Wilson to see how he goes under Ross Lyon for the same reason.
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For this reason it will be interesting to see Lachie Weller let off the chain at the Suns.


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archiemoses said:
Remember the days Gaff was worth Hartung and a second rounder?
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Since when does the draft pick offered by a club equal the player's value. Bryce Gibbs' value is apparently two first round draft picks for a 29 year old that has never won a club BnF or been all-Australian. Jordan Lewis is worth a pick in the 60s for a 4 time premiership player that has won a BnF at a decent club and been all-Australian. Lewis subsequently polled third in Melbourne's BnF despite missing a heck of a lot of football in 2017.
Brett Deledio is worth a first and third round draft pick and cannot get on the field for the majority of 2017. Brad Hill is worth pick 23 and subsequently, wins Fremantle's BnF so what clubs are offering has simply no correlation with how the player performs.
 
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bluespooner said:
Since when does the draft pick offered by a club equal the player's value. Bryce Gibbs' value is apparently two first round draft picks for a 29 year old that has never won a club BnF or been all-Australian. Jordan Lewis is worth a pick in the 60s for a 4 time premiership player that has won a BnF at a decent club and been all-Australian. Lewis subsequently polled third in Melbourne's BnF despite missing a heck of a lot of football in 2017.
Brett Deledio is worth a first and third round draft pick and cannot get on the field for the majority of 2017. Brad Hill is worth pick 23 and subsequently, wins Fremantle's BnF so what clubs or offering has simply no correlation with how the player performs.
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Since when does the draft pick offered by a club equal the player's value. Bryce Gibbs' value is apparently two first round draft picks for a 29 year old that has never won a club BnF or been all-Australian. Jordan Lewis is worth a pick in the 60s for a 4 time premiership player that has won a BnF at a decent club and been all-Australian. Lewis subsequently polled third in Melbourne's BnF despite missing a heck of a lot of football in 2017.
Brett Deledio is worth a first and third round draft pick and cannot get on the field for the majority of 2017. Brad Hill is worth pick 23 and subsequently, wins Fremantle's BnF so what clubs or offering has simply no correlation with how the player performs.
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Gibbs won a best and fairest in 2014 and since when was 3 games a heck of a lot of football?
 
bluespooner said:
Since when does the draft pick offered by a club equal the player's value. Bryce Gibbs' value is apparently two first round draft picks for a 29 year old that has never won a club BnF or been all-Australian. Jordan Lewis is worth a pick in the 60s for a 4 time premiership player that has won a BnF at a decent club and been all-Australian. Lewis subsequently polled third in Melbourne's BnF despite missing a heck of a lot of football in 2017.
Brett Deledio is worth a first and third round draft pick and cannot get on the field for the majority of 2017. Brad Hill is worth pick 23 and subsequently, wins Fremantle's BnF so what clubs or offering has simply no correlation with how the player performs.
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Hmm...can you find any other common link between Lewis and Hill?

Using what they were traded for only works if you assume that is all the club was doing.

Adelaide are pushing for a Premiership and see Gibbs as a missing link. Prepared to pay big overs in picks (possibly with Carlton footing some/most of the salary cap still) to avoid missing again.

GWS have so much young talent their internal value of draft picks is significantly skewed to the market. Richmond were in the right place at the right time (and again, likely picked up a chunk of Deledio's contract).

Hill wasn't worth pick 4 (Freo's alternate pick), indeed as many/most Hawks fans suggested a pick around 10-15. Freo fans arguing for a pick in the 40s. Turns out Hawks were likely right, but the club helped the player get home. There's a strong case Brad would not have put in a season like that had he stayed in Vic.

Lewis was worth far more than 60, but the reason for the move was for the player's longevity - demanding (virtually) nothing at the trade table allowed Lewis to negotiate the best salary package for himself. If Melbourne were handing over a 1st, or even a top-30 pick, do you think they would have offered Lewis as much in their cap?

Hawthorn have a different set of ethos to (most/all) other clubs when it comes to the treatment of their players - whether it be the future of the league, or a misguided attempt at "rewarding" those who have sacrificed for the club remains to be seen. Mitchell, Hodge, Hill, Lewis - going back Menegola, Kennedy and McGlynn (no doubt others) have been traded for well under a true market value.

Sydney (Mitchell) adopted the same principle last year - a player who had been (massively) overpaid as a draftee and simply couldn't fit into the Swans salary cap anymore - Swans knowingly took (slight) unders to ensure a smooth transition for the player.

GWS have been similar - most if not all of the players who have left GWS have done so for relatively "easy" trades. Whilst their have been busts (O'Rourke for a 1st round pick); there has been little angst at the GWS trade table.

Contrast that with the way GC, and some other clubs manage their players.

Billy may have got some bad advice, or he may have been naive. (He may also have played us all for fools and have a top-$$$ contract lined up!) I hope for his sake the two alleged offers come through - but expect it will now be well below the value he would have got had he either accepted the trade deal to GC last year, or considered any of the salary proposals this trade period. His negotiating power is now at the lowest it's ever been.
 
liz said:
I can't imagine there's a single AFL club where players are allowed to run around and play on instinct, rather than follow instructions and play to team structures. The game is more structured now than it ever is. The very best players at each club may have a little more licence to take things on, but they're still operating within team rules.

If a player can't learn to do that, they're not going to last very long at any AFL club nowadays.
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Obvious there are rules and instructions to follow but there are also a lot of players who are given heaps more free rein when it comes to their game than others
 
Abasi said:
Ridiculous, wasn’t it.

Especially considering Gaff will be out the door in 12 months.

Amirite pantskyle?
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He could be. Would be a way to get back into the first round.
 
You're just one salty Demon supporter because your team is s**t and lost Scully to a good team and is going well. Fixture proves no one rates you that matters with 1 Friday night game...Billy and Scully are good.

master bate said:
Run run run run turnover seems to work pretty well for Scully and a lot of the Giants really. They should just double down on their strength and add Hartung and run teams off their feet.
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