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Hayward will be the highest drafted out of all of them and he will go in the first round no doubt. His stuff in the second half of the year was great, even at times when he pushed through the midfield in the All Stars game. The nine goal game was outstanding and he just couldn't stop slotting them, it really caught my eye. His stuff in the champs, was ok- despite kicking a good chunk of goals.



Scharenberg likely next, somewhere in the 25-40 region and Graham probably in the 30-45s. Kicking needs work with both of them,

Graham's size at times make him look a bit like a 'man child' and I question that in an AFL environment he'll have to trim down a bit to improve his running. I see him being better than most at U18 level because of size, but struggling at AFL level.

Scharenberg's hands in stoppages are good, but was running at 49% kicking efficiency in the champs. That final in the U18s was great, but I think he's another who is 'too' good for U18s.
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Yeah I disagree at the man child comment as Mark Ricciutto was a very similar player and without doubt a man child he was state runner and state footy and generally just stronger than all the other kids of his age group, when he was drafted I remember talking to the richmond recruiting officer and he said, he was earmarked from such an early age as he was a beast

But Roo although a man child also became Adelaides best ever player and let me tell you his ground kicking was ok and goal kicking good but when he started he burnt it a fair bit

You can see Hayward improving but it concerns me he only managed to put some under 18 games together late where we have a number of SA kids where the SANFL clubs saw fit to promote these kids to league footy to improve their team, SANFL clubs take the comp seriously and want to win the flag. They will not dominate at league level, we have players like VB and Menzel who struggle at SANFL league level at times, so to just mix it on the park and hiold their spot is actually quite impressive at 17 years of age. Who ever gets picked up this year by Port and Adelaide I can guarantee will look out of their depth at SANFL league or just a so so player. Its not like the NEAFL, no AFL reserves team made the GF infact port didnt even make the finals.
 

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Lance Uppercut said:
making trolling an art form is now "nothing better to do".
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It always has been. It's quality trolling but by definition he clearly has nothing better to do. The bloke even bragged about having 'deep cover' aliases on Richmond forums.
 
I am really impressed by Marcus Adams this year. Probably like Adam Saad, each year there has been a 2nd tier player that's shown great potential at senior level.

Bishop - I am wondering if there is a steal like Adams again this year, and who that might be? Adams had great athletic attributes and a long kick, giving him more than one trick in the bag...
 
freebloke said:
I am suspicious of all the dealings that went on late with Carlton and GWS. I wouldn't be surprised if the discount on Marchbank and Pickett also included a handshake on not bidding for Setterfield at pick 5.
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That's possibe, although it isn't right, but then again, GWS didn't really set out to do us any favours.

They actually made things very difficult for us and only buckled when we the Gibbs deal didn't go through.
Any special 'love' between GWS and SOS may have all but been wiped.
 
HARKER said:
That's possibe, although it isn't right, but then again, GWS didn't really set out to do us any favours.

They actually made things very difficult for us and only buckled when we the Gibbs deal didn't go through.
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Palmer and Pickett for a bucket of nothing was the favor
 
coniglio_number1 said:
Palmer and Pickett for a bucket of nothing was the favor
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Palmer was the salary dump, I feel.
The deal may have been somewhat tougher otherwise, as GWS didn't really want to see Marchbank go.

That's my understanding.
 
HARKER said:
Palmer was the salary dump, I feel.
The deal may have been somewhat tougher otherwise, as GWS didn't really want to see Marchbank go.

That's my understanding.
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Palmer was on good coin and was definitely the salary dump. But both Pickett and ahern were on $300k P.A each.

All 3 players you got are good gets. Pickett is immensely talented but had an attitude problem from what I understand so hopefully he fares better at Carlton.

Marchbank is gun and with weitering and plowman you don't need to draft another KPD for a decade!

Like last year I imagine that sOS did a sneaky deal to take the players for little draft cost to Carlton in return for taking the salary and a free pass in the academy bidding.

Time will tell though
 

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Hey Bishop,

The Dogs have recently delisted Josh Prudden, taking our number of open list spots to four. The info on our board seems to suggest that we're unlikely to sign a DFA, meaning that we've opted to take pick 75 in the draft (unnecessarily).

A lot has been said about the depth of this draft - but in your opinion, is it really significant enough to make this a justifiable strategy? Of course, bearing in mind that we have been pretty good with late draft picks of late.
 
Dannnnnnnnnn said:
Hey Bishop,

The Dogs have recently delisted Josh Prudden, taking our number of open list spots to four. The info on our board seems to suggest that we're unlikely to sign a DFA, meaning that we've opted to take pick 75 in the draft (unnecessarily).

A lot has been said about the depth of this draft - but in your opinion, is it really significant enough to make this a justifiable strategy? Of course, bearing in mind that we have been pretty good with late draft picks of late.
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Perfect pick to take a ruck or a KPD to develop.
 

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Dannnnnnnnnn said:
Hey Bishop,

The Dogs have recently delisted Josh Prudden, taking our number of open list spots to four. The info on our board seems to suggest that we're unlikely to sign a DFA, meaning that we've opted to take pick 75 in the draft (unnecessarily).

A lot has been said about the depth of this draft - but in your opinion, is it really significant enough to make this a justifiable strategy? Of course, bearing in mind that we have been pretty good with late draft picks of late.
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By four open list spots, what do you mean? Is it that you have 36 senior listed players?

If that's the case then those last 2 list spots don't neccessarily have to be filled and you can pick up an extra rookie or two. Collingwood have been running with a senior list of 38-39 for the past few years to save cap space.
 
Apex36 said:
By four open list spots, what do you mean? Is it that you have 36 senior listed players?

If that's the case then those last 2 list spots don't neccessarily have to be filled and you can pick up an extra rookie or two. Collingwood have been running with a senior list of 38-39 for the past few years to save cap space.
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We had a red hot go at Hurley prior to his re-signing so I'd be surprised if we were under enough pressure in that department to warrant going in with five rookies. That option doesn't really benefit us in any other way.

Regardless, even if we do take that route, the point still stands. We've already committed to re-selecting Prudden as a rookie, so it's not just that we wanted him out. It seems unusual for a reigning premier that isn't under significant cap strain to delist a player simply to be able to take pick 75, or an extra rookie. I'm curious to hear whether the depth of the draft accounts for that abnormality or not.
 
Dannnnnnnnnn said:
We had a red hot go at Hurley prior to his re-signing so I'd be surprised if we were under enough pressure in that department to warrant going in with five rookies. That option doesn't really benefit us in any other way.

Regardless, even if we do take that route, the point still stands. We've already committed to re-selecting Prudden as a rookie, so it's not just that we wanted him out. It seems unusual for a reigning premier that isn't under significant cap strain to delist a player simply to be able to take pick 75, or an extra rookie. I'm curious to hear whether the depth of the draft accounts for that abnormality or not.
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It's not neccessarily for cap 'strain' per se, but for flexibility. Collingwood have been doing it not to ease their cap pressure, but to front load contracts in a way that they can always accommodate an $800k player should the opportunity to get a player of that caliber arise.

The rumour is this year that we're going one step further and rigidly sticking to only paying 95% this year in order to try to land a big fish next year.
 
freebloke said:
I am really impressed by Marcus Adams this year. Probably like Adam Saad, each year there has been a 2nd tier player that's shown great potential at senior level.

Bishop - I am wondering if there is a steal like Adams again this year, and who that might be? Adams had great athletic attributes and a long kick, giving him more than one trick in the bag...
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Luke Ryan from the VFL is the obvious one. He's good athletically and rebounds the ball well out of defence. Doesn't do a lot of one-on-one defending with most of his possessions coming uncontested (marking and then disposing of it).

Ben Long was good in the VFL, I'm not a huge fan. I like Oscar McInerney in the VFL, as a kid from Footscray Mitch Hannon (I think)- He caught my eye a fair bit, but I watch 1-2 U18 games a week, so don't get enough time to watch the VFL and other state leagues from around the traps.

Dannnnnnnnnn said:
Hey Bishop,

The Dogs have recently delisted Josh Prudden, taking our number of open list spots to four. The info on our board seems to suggest that we're unlikely to sign a DFA, meaning that we've opted to take pick 75 in the draft (unnecessarily).

A lot has been said about the depth of this draft - but in your opinion, is it really significant enough to make this a justifiable strategy? Of course, bearing in mind that we have been pretty good with late draft picks of late.
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Last year we had 70 picks, I reckon this year it'll be 80. Neville Stibberd one of the Dogs recruiters was quoted in Inside Footy this week that there were about 30 odd ruck prospects around the whole of Australia this year. They might look at a developing ruck late. I like this draft- I think it'll be one of the better ones for a while. (2013 will be hard to beat in recent times).

The don't have to fill that list spot, a lot of clubs don't start the season with a full list of 40- So they can promote a rookie after preseason onto the main list.
 
Hey km i like the sounds of himmleberg can play both ends good tank good size ball use not too great not too quick but sounds like the perfect westhoff replacement. Is he a reach at 30/31 and if port bid in sproule at that pick would it be matched? Im super keen on him but afraid he'll be matched
 
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