Bluemour Discussion Thread III

[happydude]

Haha touche. The AFL wouldn't want their precious bomber boys to experience any hardship. How they were able to get pick 1 in a season where their players were suspended is beyond me.

While I agree with you in theory the punishment was tretched out over a few years.
2Mil fine
Loss of finals position
Loss of picks IIRC
Players banned for a year.


all that before you consider the money lost through game day sales, lawyer expenses, damage to reputation that will last and their list of very average players that could barely make finals. they have alot of hurt still coming from their actions.

pick 1 wont save them.

 

[Foucault1989]

While I agree with you in theory the punishment was tretched out over a few years.
2Mil fine
Loss of finals position
Loss of picks IIRC
Players banned for a year.


all that before you consider the money lost through game day sales, lawyer expenses, damage to reputation that will last and their list of very average players that could barely make finals. they have alot of hurt still coming from their actions.

pick 1 wont save them.

All fair points. Well said

 

[happydude]

All fair points. Well said

The best part is still coming IMO the media and AFL can keep making them sound better than they are but they are already 10 years into a finals win drought and will have to go through a major rebuild soo with no one on board showing any signs of know how to orchestrate one.

the * situation is alot worse than being made out and their deluded fans will be the last to see it.

 

[DangerousD]

So Smith is a done deal to geelong given they can still trade their future first. Reports he bought a place in Geelong last year, this clarifies things.

I don't really think the fact he purchased a house in Geelong means much. He is from Geelong so it could be just an investment. The Cats might try and trade a 1st rounder for him or a first but what can they offer him financially? There might be others who can offer a lot more.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

I don't really think the fact he purchased a house in Geelong means much. He is from Geelong so it could be just an investment. The Cats might try and trade a 1st rounder for him or a first but what can they offer him financially? There might be others who can offer a lot more.

Didn't Danger buy a house in Geelong? Didn't Eddie buy a house in Henley Beach while still 'negotiating' with Carlton? Didn't GAJ sell his GC house before announcing he wanted a trade?

Somebody keep an eye on Cripps' purchasing habbits!

 

[Foucault1989]

Didn't Danger buy a house in Geelong? Didn't Eddie buy a house in Henley Beach while still 'negotiating' with Carlton? Didn't GAJ sell his GC house before announcing he wanted a trade?

Somebody keep an eye on Cripps' purchasing habbits!

If Cripps buys a house in Perth I'll hyperventilate

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Sounds like these kids aren't buying the GWS vision and will chase coin and success elsewhere.

Long term, GWS will be relocated and all those 100's of millions will be flushed.

Vlads folly.

Not according to the GWS fans on their page I was writing with last night. Think we are deluded and dreaming that Shiel, Hopper, Kennedy etc would leave them for Carlton.

 

[happydude]

Not according to the GWS fans on their page I was writing with last night. Think we are deluded and dreaming that Shiel, Hopper, Kennedy etc would leave them for Carlton.

There's GWS fans now?

 

[Blue__Balls]

You can down play it any way you like, reality is we have lost 14 of our last 16. Pretty simple I'd thought

We've also won 8 of our last 22. What's your point?

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

I don't think many on here can rationalise the expected 25% increase in TPP next year and the mandatory requirement of paying 95% of the cap.

If they did they'd realise pretty quickly that without a very high cost in dollar terms of bringing a player in we'll be well overpaying some pretty ordinary footballers still on the list

In the NBA they also have a minimum salary cap spend. When they fall short of it, the salary gets evenly split across the entire roster until they meet the required minimum spend. Say we fall short by 5%, spread that across the entire playing list it doesn't amount to a lot of money individually. Though I don't know if that's allowed under the AFL salary cap and TPP rules.

 

[Jimmae]

I don't think many on here can rationalise the expected 25% increase in TPP next year and the mandatory requirement of paying 95% of the cap.

If they did they'd realise pretty quickly that without a very high cost in dollar terms of bringing a player in we'll be well overpaying some pretty ordinary footballers still on the list

Then there's the rolled-over cap savings. If the rules are as originally suggested, we're able to pay 105% for the next two years.

If we don't, it goes to waste.

While I agree with you in theory the punishment was tretched out over a few years.
2Mil fine
Loss of finals position
Loss of picks IIRC
Players banned for a year.


all that before you consider the money lost through game day sales, lawyer expenses, damage to reputation that will last and their list of very average players that could barely make finals. they have alot of hurt still coming from their actions.

pick 1 wont save them.

Huge loss of sponsorship and gate/membership earnings, cost of paying top-up players on top of cap. Legal fees.

$20m, easily.

 

[slashin_velvet]

betts didnt leave because he was unhappy. Waite did. henderson chased finals, Touhy wasnt happy with his pay offer. garlett was given marching orders, as was robinson. Bell left for family.

Can we agree Betts and Bell relocated to their original states for family reasons? When comparing to the players who have left Brisbane:
Docherty left because he was unhappy and wanted to play for Carlton (a move to his home state). Polec left for finals and to move home. Yeo left for finals and to move home. Aish left for opportunity and potential success. Longer left for opportunity (no different to Jacobs).

I'm being a little facetious, but to award Brisbane a priority pick after they had managed to acquire Bell, Robinson, Bastinac and most importantly Beams - as well as having greater access to academy talent, suggests players leaving wasnt the real catalyst for giving them the pick. Which goes back to wins/losses - which as I'd previously suggested, we may match this season.

I'll again reiterate - I don't really want a priority pick. I'm just merely pointing out that Brisbane were really no more worthy than we may be at year end.

 

[agro]

Haha touche. The AFL wouldn't want their precious bomber boys to experience any hardship. How they were able to get pick 1 in a season where their players were suspended is beyond me.

Bingo.

It beggars belief really.

It would have been like releasing Carl Williams from gaol and providing him with an armed escort to pick up his stash.

 

[agro]

While I agree with you in theory the punishment was tretched out over a few years.
2Mil fine
Loss of finals position
Loss of picks IIRC
Players banned for a year.


all that before you consider the money lost through game day sales, lawyer expenses, damage to reputation that will last and their list of very average players that could barely make finals. they have alot of hurt still coming from their actions.

pick 1 wont save them.

It's not the point of the pick one saving them, it is actually the principle of the thing.

Essendon and the players delayed, obfuscated and twisted until they were able to manage the majority of their dirty players off their list and when the ones they wanted to retain were finally and rightfully suspended Essendon were allowed to gain the advantage of better draft picks than they would otherwise have had access to if those players were not suspended.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

There's GWS fans now?

Just two I think. The ones calling me delusional and a dreamer.

 

[happydude]

It's not the point of the pick one saving them, it is actually the principle of the thing.

Essendon and the players delayed, obfuscated and twisted until they were able to manage the majority of their dirty players off their list and when the ones they wanted to retain were finally and rightfully suspended Essendon were allowed to gain the advantage of better draft picks than they would otherwise have had access to if those players were not suspended.

Yep and all they achieved from doing so is dragging out a situation that couldve been handled alot better and cost them alot less. they got pick 1 from trying to be dirty but the cost is much greater than a number one pick could bring them.
They have no principal and it has been their undoing. watch them struggle for years and years.

 

[Funk]

There's GWS fans now?

FMD - when did that happen?

 

[happydude]

FMD - when did that happen?

I dunno, I'm just learning about this now...

Do we hate them or have a mutual respect?
Are they feral or snobby?

I'm not ready.

 

[Smegger]

I don't really think the fact he purchased a house in Geelong means much. He is from Geelong so it could be just an investment. The Cats might try and trade a 1st rounder for him or a first but what can they offer him financially? There might be others who can offer a lot more.

Hogan purchased a house in Perth last year. Might be purely for investment but wouldn't have hurt his contract negotiations.

 

[Blue__Balls]

I dunno, I'm just learning about this now...

Do we hate them or have a mutual respect?
Are they feral or snobby?

I'm not ready.

There was a third, but I think we got him as part of the Marchbank trade.

 

[Wickzki]

FMD - when did that happen?

When Hawthorn hit rock bottom and the bandwagon emptied.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

If Cripps buys a house in Perth I'll hyperventilate

Two first rounders thanks Fremantle or WC.

 

[Wickzki]

Somebody keep an eye on Cripps' purchasing habbits!

Cripps was last seen house shopping interstate from his club.

Jamie that is

 

[Funk]

I dunno, I'm just learning about this now...

Do we hate them or have a mutual respect?
Are they feral or snobby?

I'm not ready.

Apparently they have a "Factory Outlet" we've been shopping at.........

Specialises in package deals.

 

[Salt Lake Cities]

Two first rounders thanks Fremantle or WC.

Two?? 8 thanks...

Still wouldn't do it