Bluemour Discussion Thread IX

[StandByyourMan]

Just don't celebrate to hard in those airport lounges before you get the trip back home. No "we stuck it right up them" type statements that will make social media, we still need to work with them for Kelly next year.

Noted.

 

[Prem17]

I don't worry too much about current game trends.
The "trend" of a good ruckman (Kruezer/Lobbe/TDK?) getting the tap down to elite mids (Cripps/Murphy/Dow, SPS) and those elite mids putting it straight out in front of quality leading forwards (Charlie/McKay/Kerr) will never change.
We just need to add the support crews now.

 

[Gethelred]

Hard to argue with this. Pickett spends most games like he's waiting for a bus. LeBois will never get on the park long enough to play a senior game. Lamb's a mediocrity. Jack's missing physical presence.

Jack's not a small forward, neither's Pickett, Lamb's a temporary measure and depth (although his last few weeks down back haven't been poor) and LeBois has been on a list for two years. Plenty of players have been injured for longer and made a go of it; it's actually something that supposedly good clubs do.

All in all, a little lazy as far as criticism goes.

 

[Beer n Skittles]

The fact we've stacked up with talls may not suit the current trend, but may have been planned for a later time.

Trends change, lots of things change.
2 years ago ruck-men were dinosaurs and now we have Gawn as the most important player in the competition with Grundy not too far away.

You can't be playing catch-up. You have to get a jump on the comp.
Maybe we'll win out and maybe we'll lose out. Let's not worry about the now so much. Let's see whether our game plays out first.

I don't agree that having a decent set of small forwards is a trend, it's just the reversal of the 3rd tall forward trend.
Go back through all of footy history prior to 2010 & almost every team would've had 1 or 2 tall forwards.

 

[AlecDuncan]

Jack's not a small forward, neither's Pickett, Lamb's a temporary measure and depth (although his last few weeks down back haven't been poor) and LeBois has been on a list for two years. Plenty of players have been injured for longer and made a go of it; it's actually something that supposedly good clubs do.

All in all, a little lazy as far as criticism goes.

I'd counter with heat maps, but with 41 disposals for the year from Pickett, there's not a lot of heat to go around. I get he's been injured, but 8 disposals average isn't enough.

 

[Broadside]

I'd counter with heat maps, but with 41 disposals for the year from Pickett, there's not a lot of heat to go around.

some of those 41 were quality you must admit, and injury wise he has been hit by one of the buses he was waiting for.

 

[King Cripps]

I'd counter with heat maps, but with 41 disposals for the year from Pickett, there's not a lot of heat to go around.

Maybe trial Pickett at half back in the preseason and the trial games like we did with Chris Yarran.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Wtf is the point of looking at small forward disposal counts if you’re not even going to make consideration for the fact that we can’t get the ball out of our D50 most games.

 

[AlecDuncan]

Wtf is the point of looking at small forward disposal counts if you’re not even going to make consideration for the fact that we can’t get the ball out of our D50 most games.

We get plenty inside 50s, it's the quality of those disposals that's lacking. This is where good small forwards shine. You never saw Eddie or Jeff worry about the quality of inside 50s.

 

[AlecDuncan]

Maybe trial Pickett at half back in the preseason and the trial games like we did with Chris Yarran.

He wouldn't be the first player to learn how to be involved at half-back. An out of form Kouta was a prime example.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

We get plenty inside 50s, it's the quality of those disposals that's lacking. This is where good small forwards shine. You never saw Eddie or Jeff worry about the quality of inside 50s.

Errr. We are dead last for inside 50s. A whole 4 less per game than Gold Coast and 10 per game less than 8th. On what planet are we even close to plenty per game?

 

[Captain Cripps]

I don't agree that having a decent set of small forwards is a trend, it's just the reversal of the 3rd tall forward trend.
Go back through all of footy history prior to 2010 & almost every team would've had 1 or 2 tall forwards.

Interchange I think

 

[Gethelred]

I'd counter with heat maps, but with 41 disposals for the year from Pickett, there's not a lot of heat to go around. I get he's been injured, but 8 disposals average isn't enough.

I don't disagree, obviously, but your post was far more 'woe is me' than 'these heat maps and disposal numbers are not at an acceptable standard.'

Jack has been thrown all around the field this year, and has demonstrated at least potential in the midfield and down back (I think he'll be a mid, but he needs to have the fitness to run far more than he does at the moment to get there) and Pickett's never had any form of continuity. He still actually looks injured - since he's returned to the side, sure he's laying tackles but I've not seen the pace that made him literally uncatchable last year - and he's playing forward pocket, which as far as I'm concerned is not his best position. He's a wing, and while 8 disposals 5 tackles is definitively not enough, if he can find some fitness to attack the next preseason properly then there is every chance he can improve on those numbers.

Le Bois hasn't had any run at it; when right amongst it for round 1, he does his hammy, then recovers, starts going okay and slowly building, then bam again. But injury alone is not sufficient reason to delist someone after two years (Gary Rohan, Nathan Freeman, Daniel Menzel etc) and he too needs to get through the next preseason with the aim to push his way into the ones for the season opener next year.

 

[El Topo]

Even in 2004 we came within several bees dicks of losing that prelim to St Kilda.

This game was an underrated modern classic, baffles me that no-one seems to remember it

 

[Gethelred]

We get plenty inside 50s, it's the quality of those disposals that's lacking. This is where good small forwards shine. You never saw Eddie or Jeff worry about the quality of inside 50s.

I reckon Eddie cracked it a few times when they dropped it on his head with 2 on him...

 

[Gethelred]

This game was an underrated modern classic, baffles me that no-one seems to remember it

Probably because Port won it, and Port's flag ruined the story of the 'Best Team in AFL history' narrative that the media both at the time and now like to push about that Brisbane lineup.

That, and I just don't like Port very much.

 

[AlecDuncan]

Errr. We are dead last for inside 50s. A whole 4 less per game than Gold Coast and 10 per game less than 8th. On what planet are we even close to plenty per game?

I take your point, but my point is we could be doing a lot more with what we already have.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

I take your point, but my point is we could be doing a lot more with what we already have.

I think that improves when we can get some fast rebounds. We aren’t last in i50 efficiency even with our slow transitions.

 

[AlecDuncan]

Jack has been thrown all around the field this year, and has demonstrated at least potential in the midfield and down back (I think he'll be a mid, but he needs to have the fitness to run far more than he does at the moment to get there)...

Which is my point exactly. I'm still hoping he'll get harder and be able to run better.

...and Pickett's never had any form of continuity...and he's playing forward pocket, which as far as I'm concerned is not his best position.

It certainly hasn't been a productive position. We've seen one game where he tore it up. He's capable of doing that every week, not just cameos. So why don't we see more?

Le Bois hasn't had any run at it; when right amongst it for round 1, he does his hammy, then recovers, starts going okay and slowly building, then bam again.

Again, my point exactly.

I think we're on the same page, just different paragraphs.

 

[Beer n Skittles]

I don't disagree, obviously, but your post was far more 'woe is me' than 'these heat maps and disposal numbers are not at an acceptable standard.'

Jack has been thrown all around the field this year, and has demonstrated at least potential in the midfield and down back (I think he'll be a mid, but he needs to have the fitness to run far more than he does at the moment to get there) and Pickett's never had any form of continuity. He still actually looks injured - since he's returned to the side, sure he's laying tackles but I've not seen the pace that made him literally uncatchable last year - and he's playing forward pocket, which as far as I'm concerned is not his best position. He's a wing, and while 8 disposals 5 tackles is definitively not enough, if he can find some fitness to attack the next preseason properly then there is every chance he can improve on those numbers.

Le Bois hasn't had any run at it; when right amongst it for round 1, he does his hammy, then recovers, starts going okay and slowly building, then bam again. But injury alone is not sufficient reason to delist someone after two years (Gary Rohan, Nathan Freeman, Daniel Menzel etc) and he too needs to get through the next preseason with the aim to push his way into the ones for the season opener next year.

Not sure that anyone said none of them have potential, or that any of them should be delisted. Just that as of right now they're the worst in the league

 

[skadoosh]

Why should GWS do Shiel for 19?

 

[F_therest]

Expect GWS to move him on and get something in return while they can. Pick one off the table unless we get a top ten coming back. Shiel to us is in play mark my words. Priority pick may do it.
Source: GWS list management.

Awesome that you have a connection to someone at gws.

But how the hell would a priority pick do it...shiel for pick 19? There's just no way.

 

[Coops93]

Why should GWS do Shiel for 19?

Yeah, I'd also like an answer to this. Seems way too low.

Unless we're offering 2 second rounders? Our second & the PP. Even then I'd think they want a 1st.

 

[PrinceCharles]

You'd think they'll be at the pointy end again next year, so band one would end up like Franklin at the end of round one.

So something like pick 19?

 

[Masqualero]

I'd counter with heat maps, but with 41 disposals for the year from Pickett, there's not a lot of heat to go around. I get he's been injured, but 8 disposals average isn't enough.

I think you need to keep in mind his injury history, look at last year.

Slow start then bang, he was the x-factor against the Hawks.

Had a full pre-season and tore JLT up, then broke his wrist.

Give him a run of games and he will lift like he did last year IMO, I have high hopes.