Rumour Bluemour Discussion thread

[coryne]

Not sure about the disciplinary angle but if the intent is to re-rookie then it's quite a common practice for players on the last year of a contract.

We've brought in 6 mature-agers, so Clem slides down the pecking order. Not having Malthouse around as his backer, he won't be gifted games unless we have a LTI in any case.

Yes but if he has not even completed 1 year of a 2 year contract, and he isn't suffering from a major injury, then I could see him/his manager/the AFLPA kicking up a GIANT stink about the club delisting and rooking him. Otherwise what is the point of the 2 year contract for 1st year players ??? They need security and this gives them little/none .......

 

[Azul]

LTI=LONG TERM INJURY! I got one, I got one!
Please tell me I'm right...

Yes, coach.

It's a football acronym, rather than the online abbreviations you so struggle with.

 

[Azul]

Yes but if he has not even completed 1 year of a 2 year contract, and he isn't suffering from a major injury, then I could see him/his manager/the AFLPA kicking up a GIANT stink about the club delisting and rooking him. Otherwise what is the point of the 2 year contract for 1st year players ??? They need security and this gives them little/none .......

He still gets paid the same. But it's a salary cap thing of only counting when he plays in the seniors or somesuch.

The reality is we want to promote the Irish guys to play round 1, while Clem needs to win the trust and respect of the new coaching staff. Consider he was only gifted selection because Micky M wanted to fast track his development at the expense of Graham and Buckley.

 

[Omega Blue]

Coming back with larger skin folds would void his contact and give the club a termination clause.

 

[Soapy V]

Looks fat from 15 second video where he was in it for 2 seconds. Please.....

i just watched it. didnt seem any different. especially hard to tell in jumper etc.

 

[TheCoach16]

Coming back with larger skin folds would void his contact and give the club a termination clause.

It may, but the question is can he play? And if the answer is yes, in my opinion, you get his mind and body right rather than delist him. Look at what Freo did with Walters and West Coast with Mc Govern (not sure of that spelling, sorry) and I'm sure there are more examples...

 

[Omega Blue]

It may, but the question is can he play? And if there answer is yes, in my opinion, you get his mind and body right rather than delist him. Look at what Freo did with Walters and West Coast with Mc Govern (not sure of that spelling, sorry) and I'm sure there are more examples...

I agree i think he's worth persisting with, a demotion to the rookie list may be a fantastic way to teach someone a lesson. A good luck up the back side as it were. Also takes the pressure off by basically saying your spending the year in the twos

 

[coryne]

We can't bitch about players not committing to the club and looking to be traded out with a year left in their contracts if all that it takes to get delisted is a high skin fold reading when returning to preseason training. Loyalty works both ways .....

 

[slashin_velvet]

We can't bitch about players not committing to the club and looking to be traded out with a year left in their contracts if all that it takes to get delisted is a high skin fold reading when returning to preseason training. Loyalty works both ways .....

Not true. If you're all about setting high standards....and players have been told that they need to be in a particular shape when they return....then failing to meet those standards should come with some discipline. Whether thats delisting and re-rookieing, or a much more grueling training program is yet to be seen.

For mine....he didnt seem that fat in those videos...not enough to justify rookie listing.

 

[serenityNow]

Surely a delisting is a bit over the top....

A strike policy should be in place with a fine..... extra hard sessions should be mandatory to get back to whats required.

Set a date and make him work his arse off to reach it. Don't reach it? a further strike...3 and you're out.

 

[coryne]

Not true. If you're all about setting high standards....and players have been told that they need to be in a particular shape when they return....then failing to meet those standards should come with some discipline. Whether thats delisting and re-rookieing, or a much more grueling training program is yet to be seen.

For mine....he didnt seem that fat in those videos...not enough to justify rookie listing.

Yes standards MUST be maintained, there is no question about that, but a delisting is pretty close to the harshest penalty that a club can place on a player. Players can be taking recreational drugs/gamble on AFL games/be accused of rape/violence and STILL not be delisted from their clubs ........ Put him on a stringent training program and not have him train with the squad until he reaches his physical requirements, but delisting and rooking is a HUGE slap in the face and an over reaction IMO.

 

[Azul]

Bringing in 6 mature players & upgrading up to 3 rookies requires some gymnastics from a list manager's perspective.

Bear in mind Hawthorn had 3 selections in the 2014 draft before Clem and GWS 5. So it's not clear to what extent our foreign imports Bolton and Silvagni rated Clem, if at all.

 

[Omega Blue]

We can't bitch about players not committing to the club and looking to be traded out with a year left in their contracts if all that it takes to get delisted is a high skin fold reading when returning to preseason training. Loyalty works both ways .....

so we compromise our standards and expectations for the sake of player retention?
We don't want unprofessional players at this club, I'm not advocating to delist Smith and i think that each situation should be analysied case by case.
For instance this was clems first ever off season he now knows that his actions lead him to return to the club in a poor state,he should now know that this is unacceptable and no to do it in future. Therefore delisting not required. Although if cam wood came back to the club in a similar state he should know better after having 10 off seasons and he may require delisting.

 

[bmaurizio]

Discipline and conforming to basic minimum requirements is the first step to building a good team culture.
These guys are professional athletes abd should behave appropriately on and off the field.
As supporters we expect nothing less and the least the players can do is give their very best effort at all times.
Meanwhile the club must build the right enviornment to mentor and provide support were needed, this is urgent as issues are complex .Some of our players are very young and AFL life is very demanding and a tough business.

 

[MC_Doggy_Frog18]

You can't tell his put on weight in 2 seconds with a jumper that looks like it's to big for him on. Calm down people, geez.

 

[Azul]

Taking the emotion out of it, list spots are a premium if we introduce half a dozen before we even get to the draft.

He's really only ahead of DVR, Foster and Gowers, so the expectation he'd get much of a run ahead of a rejuvenated Dale Thomas, Sumner, Lamb, Kerridge and the two Irishmen on our rookie list plus bigger roles for Whiley, Graham and Dick is stretching it.
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If the rumour is true, let him spend half a season re-inventing himself as a defensive small forward, which positionally we lack.

 

[BringBackSimmo]

What happened to Matthew Wright? Decided there was more merit in taking Gorringe?

 

[Heres Waite]

Delist Clem and sign him as a rookie ... Opens up another list spot to sign Matt Wright as a D/FA who would provide more to our team next year than Clem.

 

[Blue and Silver]

I totally endorse giving Clem a boot if he hasn't met expectations.

Tell him we will rookie him, but we can't afford a player who hasn't got the necessary commitment on the senior list. Give him a chance to respond to the challenge. If he can't do that, he was never going to make it anyway.

 

[coryne]

I totally endorse giving Clem a boot if he hasn't met expectations.

Tell him we will rookie him, but we can't afford a player who hasn't got the necessary commitment on the senior list. Give him a chance to respond to the challenge. If he can't do that, he was never going to make it anyway.

Carlisle snorts coke = 2 game suspension

Smith comes back to pre-season straining with a, supposedly, high fat fold = delisting


Seems about right

 

[Blue and Silver]

Carlisle snorts coke = 2 game suspension

Smith comes back to pre-season straining with a, supposedly, high fat fold = delisting


Seems about right

Carlisle's recreational habits don't significantly impact on how he performs in season. Clem's lack of preparation can. He has a job, there is a minimum requirement. If he can't meet that...

 

[Wickzki]

Carlisle snorts coke = 2 game suspension

Smith comes back to pre-season straining with a, supposedly, high fat fold = delisting


Seems about right

Two different clubs and two very different situations.

Besides, we don't know if there are other issues regarding Clem.

 

[coryne]

Carlisle's recreational habits don't significantly impact on how he performs in season. Clem's lack of preparation can. He has a job, there is a minimum requirement. If he can't meet that...

Yeah until he gets another strike, is suspended from more games, and his form drops as he becomes addicted and his health suffers.


Where as Smith could be back at his fitness requirements in a couple of weeks with strenuous training.



I honestly can't understand how you could defend Carlisle and throw Smith under the bus outside of one is seen as having more skill than the other.

 

[coryne]

Two different clubs and two very different situations.

Besides, we don't know if there are other issues regarding Clem.

Yes but as far as the ppl on this board are concerned he has come back to training unfit (unconfirmed) and should be delisted immediately......... It is a rediculous over-reaction esp when the same people are defending drug use as the lesser of two evils .........

 

[Wickzki]

Yes but as far as the ppl on this board are concerned he has come back to training unfit (unconfirmed) and should be delisted immediately......... It is a rediculous over-reaction esp when the same people are defending drug use as the lesser of two evils .........

It's a currently unsubstantiated rumor. Nobody is saying that he should be delisted immediately.