Rumour Bluemour Discussion thread

[Blue and Silver]

From Marc Shmurf 3

I like the idea. I was just on the list management thread talking about how our next premiership team might be shaping up, and we still have quite a few holes to fill.

 

[Matty411]

If the #Bluemour from Marc Shmurf 3 is correct, then I'm all for trading - say pick 2/3 - for 2 x top 10 picks - 6 and 9 for example - then offloading one of those for a Tom Mitchell or O'Meara. Sure, we'll likely pay $500-$600k to get them across. But with AW1 likely to retire and Daisy's contract likely to be reduced very soon, we can a) afford it, and b) should be targeting a gun mid in that 20-23 aged bracket.

 

[LordLucifer]

SOS looking at turning our 1st pick (unless its pick 1) into 2 top 10 picks again this year. The depth of this years draft especially at the top end is pretty deep.

Which club would have two top 10 picks and then be prepared to trade them ??

Let's say Essendon finished 14th which gave them #5 and they received #6 as a compo for losing Hooker as a Free Agent, given their position and list, why would they do that trade ?? They need to pick up two quality draftees, not one.

The only way we could get two picks inside the Top 10 is if we hold on to our first pick and then somehow traded players & later picks for another a second one.

 

[Omega Blue]

Opens up a lot of potential of we have multiple first rounders.
Problem is we can only trade with clubs with multiple first rounders.
Gws have geelongs first, Collingwoods first and thereown first.
They may trade two of them for a very high pick so they can have a free hit at the top talent before there academy picks chew up there points.
Gcs have Melbournes first and thereown i can't see them trading with us if they're dealing with clubs for prestia.
Gws is our best bet to get first rounders

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Mitchell or Prestia would be great gets and i'd be fine going down that road, i'd even welcome it. But think of this.

GWS have 3 First Rounders correct? Collingwoods, Geelong's and their own?

If we trade;
- Our first pick (#2-#4) to GWS for Collingwoods first and Geelong's first. (Roughly say #7 and #10)
- Two second round picks (Second gained by trading a player or through some other trade, future second rounder for current second rounder) to Gold Coast for their first (Roughly #11) (will want to trade down due to Academy selection)

Go into the draft with;
#7, #10, #11 (no second rounder), two third rounders, and so on.

Hit a KPP and two midfielders.

Youth begins to look a lot more fleshed out already. In 2017 we'd have;

24yrs - J. Lamb, D. Buckley, M. Whiley
23 yrs - B.Boekhurst, Docherty, A. Galluchi, N. Graham, K. Jaksch, S. Kerridge, L. Sumner
22 yrs - C. Byrne , P. Cripps, M. Dick , J. Foster, L. Plowman
21yrs - B. Gowers, C. Smith, D. Viojo-Rainbow
20 yrs - C. Curnow , D. Cunningham, J. Glass-McAsker
19yrs - J. Silvagni, J. Weitering
18 yrs - #7, #10, #11, #3rd Round, #3rd Round

That's 29 players 24 years or under. Which is a significant proportion of the list, and a great boost to the rebuild. Not to mention that fact that list will include roughly 13 first rounders in that number.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Which club would have two top 10 picks and then be prepared to trade them ??

Let's say Essendon finished 14th which gave them #5 and they received #6 as a compo for losing Hooker as a Free Agent, given their position and list, why would they do that trade ?? They need to pick up two quality draftees, not one.

The only way we could get two picks inside the Top 10 is if we hold on to our first pick and then somehow traded players & later picks for another a second one.

GWS have three first rounders this year I believe (or at least two, my reading of their trade period last year is they should have Geelongs, Collingwoods and their own first rounder, but I may be wrong)

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

I'm sure SOS is 'looking' to do that, but is it realistic?

 

[BuxbaumBixby]

Gibbs to GWS for player (Tomlinson or Steele) and one of their first rounders.

 

[Doro]

I'm sure SOS is 'looking' to do that, but is it realistic?

Definitely, GWS is at the opposite stage of the list build to us- they don't need to bar any deeper, just high end quality they'll be after.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

I think I might change my signature to;

"Gibbs is contracted for 3 more seasons and DOES NOT WANT TO LEAVE"
"P.S was also BnF in 2014"

 

[LordLucifer]

I'm sure SOS is 'looking' to do that, but is it realistic?

I reckon every club would be "looking" (make that wishing they could) at doing a deal like that but it is hard to believe that it will ever happen unless there are some extreme circumstances that forced it.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

I reckon every club would be "looking" (make that wishing they could) at doing a deal like that but it is hard to believe that it will ever happen unless there are some extreme circumstances that forced it.

Extreme circumstances? It's a pretty basic balancing act between 2 middle first round picks and 1 high first round pick. It will be up to SOS for the Blues and the GWS department to look at the draft identify needs and see if a deal can be done that can benefit both parties.

Gold Coast have two first rounders as well which could be another avenue.

 

[BuxbaumBixby]

I think I might change my signature to;

"Gibbs is contracted for 3 more seasons and DOES NOT WANT TO LEAVE"
"P.S was also BnF in 2014"

Contracts are irrelevant .... if anything, it just means that the club has more power in a negotiation because the player can't walk.

If we want 2 top 10 picks, we'll need to give up something to get them - we won't get them by just asking nicely.

 

[Jimmae]

They usual gauge the depth of the draft by that talent coming out of vic metro.
Last year vic metro was considered weak and therefore the draft was considered weak.
In my opinion the "experts" neglected the quality coming out of vic country.
This year vic country looks just as strong in conjunction with a stronger than last year vic metro.
Therefore deep draft.

They also whined about a weak WA team at the Champs.

That entire debate was framed around the championships, and a lack of star midfielders outside of the very top bracket.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Contracts are irrelevant .... if anything, it just means that the club has more power in a negotiation because the player can't walk.

If we want 2 top 10 picks, we'll need to give up something to get them - we won't get them by just asking nicely.

Yeah its called pick #2

 

[Jimmae]

GWS have three first rounders this year I believe (or at least two, my reading of their trade period last year is they should have Geelongs, Collingwoods and their own first rounder, but I may be wrong)

As I think was discussed last week, that seems only likely to work for GWS if it's a points gain, which is unlikely, or they feel 100% confident a bid won't come in before the upgraded pick.

 

[LordLucifer]

GWS have three first rounders this year I believe (or at least two, my reading of their trade period last year is they should have Geelongs, Collingwoods and their own first rounder, but I may be wrong)

It appears they may have three but how many of them are going to be Top 10 ??

GWS should play finals so that won't, same goes for the Cats which leaves the Pies as the only possible Top 10 pick GWS will have.

 

[TommyMcG]

Future picks would make a 2 for 1 swap pretty straight forward. We could trade pick 2 (if we finish 2nd bottom) for whatever club has a pick in the 6-10 range, along with their first rounder for next year.

Then on trade one of them to Sydney for Mitchell and still potentially have a top 10 pick.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

As I think was discussed last week, that seems only likely to work for GWS if it's a points gain, which is unlikely, or they feel 100% confident a bid won't come in before the upgraded pick.

I wasn't aware GWS had academy players again this year? Isn't the thinking regardless that they will either want to get high in the draft to get BEFORE a bid, so that they can get a gun kid and their academy player, or simply that they don't want to take 3 more kids on and will instead go for one higher rated kid and their other first round pick. Due to the ever decreasing size of their list and amount of first round talent they already have, meaning they need absolute diamonds and less gems.

 

[LordLucifer]

Extreme circumstances? It's a pretty basic balancing act between 2 middle first round picks and 1 high first round pick. It will be up to SOS for the Blues and the GWS department to look at the draft identify needs and see if a deal can be done that can benefit both parties.

Gold Coast have two first rounders as well which could be another avenue.

The rumour states that SOS is trying to end up with 2 X Top 10 picks by trading our first rounder which should be inside the Top 10 already.

Wanna try that again now ??

 

[Jimmae]

I wasn't aware GWS had academy players again this year? Isn't the thinking regardless that they will either want to get high in the draft to get BEFORE a bid, so that they can get a gun kid and their academy player, or simply that they don't want to take 3 more kids on and will instead go for one higher rated kid and their other first round pick. Due to the ever decreasing size of their list and amount of first round talent they already have, meaning they need absolute diamonds and less gems.

They've been a year ahead of their list requirements the entire time; it's been part of their strategy so their hand isn't overly forced at the trade table.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

The rumour states that SOS is trying to end up with 2 X Top 10 picks by trading our first rounder which should be inside the Top 10 already.

Wanna try that again now ??

No guarentee Geelong and GWS both finish top 8 and Collingwood definitely wont

Also "top 10" is just meaningless words. Im sure a pick #11 or #12 will work just as well

 

[Iamcarlton]

Our biggest hole at the moment is a KPF, is it worth chasing say a Jack Redpath from the Dogs who sits behind a few players in the pecking order at the Dogs to fill that void while the younger boys develop? That will give us Levi and Jack as big forward targets. I haven't seen a lot of him but what I have seen, he is a strong grab, reliable kick, a wranger and tough. They play us round 1 in the VFL so if anyone goes for a gander let us know your thoughts.

Walker will be gone next year, earlier if his body has had enough, Everitt is not and never will be a KPF/B as he is a free running player suited to a wing. Unless your a Jacob Weitering our young boys will take a couple of years to get going

Not bad thinking can't believe redpath is languishing in the twos he made good progress last year . But now most likely due to them being bound to playing Boyd after he spent a good portion of the season in the twos last year on that ridiculous contract and redpaths development stalls . We are spewing about daisys contract pales in comparison to the Boyd deal , was ludicrous .

 

[1981]

Our biggest hole at the moment is a KPF, is it worth chasing say a Jack Redpath from the Dogs who sits behind a few players in the pecking order at the Dogs to fill that void while the younger boys develop? That will give us Levi and Jack as big forward targets. I haven't seen a lot of him but what I have seen, he is a strong grab, reliable kick, a wranger and tough. They play us round 1 in the VFL so if anyone goes for a gander let us know your thoughts.

Walker will be gone next year, earlier if his body has had enough, Everitt is not and never will be a KPF/B as he is a free running player suited to a wing. Unless your a Jacob Weitering our young boys will take a couple of years to get going

Not sure I totally agree on this.
We have a hole at KPF now, but we picked up McKay (10), Curnow (12) and Jack last year. It has been reported the club see McKay and Curnow as our future key forwards.
Down back we have Weitering, Plowman and JGM.
So we have recruited really well for the future, in terms of KPPs, and just now need to hope they develop well.
I'd say midfield is still a hole. As shown the other night, you need depth and depth and then some depth.

As an aide, Redpath would be OK but wouldnt pay much

 

[Malifice]

The draft (in the Silvagni era) should be our friend .
The likes of Mitchell , Prestia , O'meara etc would cost us dearly trade wise .

We're likely to hold pick 1 or 2 in the PSD, and have a squillion in SC room spare.

I'd be more than happy to frontload the heck out of a contract and get Mitchell to Carlton. They can have our second round pick (20 odd). It's unders, but **** it.

Mitchell is going to be a gun, is exactly the player we need, and fits the age profile at 22.

Want.