Rumour Bluemour Discussion thread

[slashin_velvet]

Here's one for the grains trust ... Dean Rice wore #23 and Jacob Wheatering wears #23.

I don't think I'll ever get used to touch sc4eens

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I don't think I'll ever get used to touch sc4eens

This is 2rue.

 

[Malifice]

Reverse psychology? I'm thinking we will taper off now and get #6.

Dont know about tapering off. The next two are extremely winnable, then we hit a hard patch in the middle of the season, then have 4 more very winnable games to finish it off:

Brisbane Lions (ES)
St Kilda (ES)
Bye
GWS (Spotless)
Collingwood (MCG)
Adelaide (MCG)
West Coast Eagles (MCG)
Sydney Swans (SCG)
Hawthorn (Aurora)
St Kilda (MCG)
Brisbane (Gabba)
Melbourne (MCG)
Essendon (MCG)

I'm seeing six more wins here. Games in red we should win. Even if we drop one, were a good chance to make one up from the three games in green (Three games in a row at the 'G, including Adelaide and West Coast away).

Lets say 5 wins to err on the side of caution.

Unless we fall into a hole (and the middle part of the season looks very tough) this adds up to 10 wins this year (with a pretty rubish %). I'd say a finish around 10th is most likely.

Pick #8 is looking ballpark. After academy picks itll be more around the pick #12 mark.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Dont know about tapering off.

Did you miss the reverse psychology part?

 

[P_Crippy]

Dont know about tapering off. The next two are extremely winnable, then we hit a hard patch in the middle of the season, then have 4 more very winnable games to finish it off:

Brisbane Lions (ES)
St Kilda (ES)
Bye
GWS (Spotless)
Collingwood (MCG)
Adelaide (MCG)
West Coast Eagles (MCG)
Sydney Swans (SCG)
Hawthorn (Aurora)
St Kilda (MCG)
Brisbane (Gabba)
Melbourne (MCG)
Essendon (MCG)

I'm seeing six more wins here. Games in red we should win. Even if we drop one, were a good chance to make one up from the three games in green (Three games in a row at the 'G, including Adelaide and West Coast away).

Lets say 5 wins to err on the side of caution.

Unless we fall into a hole (and the middle part of the season looks very tough) this adds up to 10 wins this year (with a pretty rubish %). I'd say a finish around 10th is most likely.

Pick #8 is looking ballpark. After academy picks itll be more around the pick #12 mark.

Still way, way beyond my expectations at start of the year. I knew we'd improve, but this is amazing.

 

[TBellicious]

Dont know about tapering off. The next two are extremely winnable, then we hit a hard patch in the middle of the season, then have 4 more very winnable games to finish it off:

Brisbane Lions (ES)
St Kilda (ES)
Bye
GWS (Spotless)
Collingwood (MCG)
Adelaide (MCG)
West Coast Eagles (MCG)
Sydney Swans (SCG)
Hawthorn (Aurora)
St Kilda (MCG)
Brisbane (Gabba)
Melbourne (MCG)
Essendon (MCG)

I'm seeing six more wins here. Games in red we should win. Even if we drop one, were a good chance to make one up from the three games in green (Three games in a row at the 'G, including Adelaide and West Coast away).

Lets say 5 wins to err on the side of caution.

Unless we fall into a hole (and the middle part of the season looks very tough) this adds up to 10 wins this year (with a pretty rubish %). I'd say a finish around 10th is most likely.

Pick #8 is looking ballpark. After academy picks itll be more around the pick #12 mark.

Why are the games we should win in red, and the ones we should lose in green?! Realky bullish for our chances against Eagles at the G

 

[thylacine60]

I said Lennon was a terrible player last year when everyone wanted him. He's only confirmed my opinion since. I hope the club stays away.

Plenty of players look the goods in the juniors and never make the grade. No tank, no pace, no skill and no footy smarts makes for a rubbish footballer.

Damn I'm glad you never saw my junior footy!

 

[thylacine60]

Still way, way beyond my expectations at start of the year. I knew we'd improve, but this is amazing.

It has to be sustainable. We can't be Richmond.

 

[Malifice]

Still way, way beyond my expectations at start of the year. I knew we'd improve, but this is amazing.

I had us down for 4 at most, and couldnt for the life of me see how we could kick a winning score.

We're currently 11th. Above us (on percentage) are Port and Melbourne. Next is Adelaide, 4 points clear at 8th spot.

Assuming we win next week against the Lions at Etihad, Port lose to the Pies (probable at the G - could go either way) and Melbourne lose to Hawthorn (which they should), we're sitting on 9th spot. Assuming Adelaide beat the Saints at home (which they should) they'll stay in 8th spot.

The next week Adelaide play WCE at Domain (which the Crows should lose), Melbourne should get rolled by the Pies, and Port come up against the Dogs in Adelaide (which Port could very well drop). We play the Saints at Etihad.

We're every chance of hitting the bye week in 9th spot on percentage, and one game clear of 10th.

We then hit the horror patch of the season after the bye (GWS away, Collingwood, Adelaide (MCG), West Coast Eagles (MCG), Sydney Swans (away), Hawthorn (away)).

We'll be in 9th spot, rested and with nothing to lose and everything to play for. We're every chance of snaring a win or two if Bolton can keep the intensity and belief up.

If we can score two wins out of that lot, were in contention for finals running into the back end of the season. We then face four very winnable games against teams that have probably put the cue in the rack - St Kilda, then Brisbane (away), and then back to back games at the 'G against Melbourne, and then finally Essendon.

Even though I feel as if we'll finish around 10th, its not entirely unreaslistic we'll sneak into the 8.

I never thought I'd be even contemplating finals, even as recently as a month or so ago. I'm... flabbergasted.

 

[Weiterbot23]

I said Lennon was a terrible player last year when everyone wanted him. He's only confirmed my opinion since. I hope the club stays away.

Plenty of players look the goods in the juniors and never make the grade. No tank, no pace, no skill and no footy smarts makes for a rubbish footballer.

I would have been wearing navy blue if it wasn't for these small items that recruiters just wouldn't look past.

 

[HalAlaric]

Anyone have any thoughts on the Saints young ruckman Lewis Pierce? Behind Longer, Hickey and even Holmes in their ruck order in a team that only seems to play the one ruckman.

21yo, 2.02m, and 101kg now after 3 seasons into his career. Taken as a long term development player at pick 75 and is now playing some reasonable footy as a RUC/FWD in the VFL after bulking up a lot in the off season.

I would be tempted to offer our fourth or if we had to the WB third that we have (presuming we haven't packaged it to move higher up), in order to secure him. Leaving us with Kreuzer (27), Phillips (24), and Pierce (21).
Korcheck (24) is at least 3 years off from AFL level in my opinion and Corringe (24) just doesn't appear to be a ruckman at all. Wood (29) although a good servant isn't in our future.

Anyway, does anyone have any further insight or opinions on this?

 

[JustaBattler]

Brisbane is not an easy win and St Kilda will be even tougher - I rate Collingwood no better than St Kilda and we will win that one if certain players are on field and ok. Adelaide and WC should have us covered if they field their best whilst Sydney are almost impossible to beat at the SCG - Hawthorn might be very interesting....

We could go into a flat spot and injuries might kick in big time - no one knows.

FWIW - I am not surprised to be sitting where are after watching the NAB Cup and seeing for the first time that the players were playing decent structured football - it was obvious to me that a lot of teams were similar to each other. tbh - the only surprise wins we have had were Port and more so Geelong - these are benchmark victories won under extreme adversity - the loss to Richmond was extremely disappointing.

Each week sees a better Carlton 'team' play emerge and growing confidence amongst players. Yesterday we beat Geelong with a late out in the ruinning machine Byrne and 2 players on the bench for most of the game - including Murphy who has been very important in close games ytd - that was a very improbable if not impossible situation to overcome - and yet the team did overcome adversity.

This is a new Carlton - forget history and the first four games. The only thing that will hold us back is injury to key players. The rebuild is finding cover for Kreuzer/Murphy/Walker/Simpson - it isn't about expecting to lose against anyone - that is old Carlton thinking.

 

[Jimmae]

Anyway, does anyone have any further insight or opinions on this?

Might as well draft our own; they're usually pretty cheap these days.

 

[DangerousD]

I just don't see it happening. Who'd take him and what would they be willing to put up? I think that he simply has much more value at Carlton than on the 'open market' (urgh, I really dislike the commodification of players). Happy for you to quote this post back at me if it happens but my educated guess says Dale will be a Blue til he retires. And will be remembered as a very solid player for us in a time when we needed it.

No need to quote its purely just a what if, as i said there would be others before him. I think with the new points system that third and fourth round picks aren't as useless as they once were. A second and a fourth could get Marchbank, a third and a fourth could get Tomlinson. I am not super keen on trading these guys to take a pick in the 40's to the draft, it would purely depend on whether we could bundle them to get something that is good for us long term.

 

[DangerousD]

We get Marchbank and Tomlinson for a second, third and fourth rounder? Think about what would happen if they hypothetically declared for the ND.... What chance do you give either of them making the second round? I give them zero. Let alone one if them making the third round. We need to get real.

My opinion is that Marchbank is worth a second round pick and Tomlinson is worth a third and a fourth.

Seeing as both supposedly want to come home to Victoria tell me what Vic clubs you think would use their first round selection on these two? Don't forget Collingwood, Geelong and Melbourne don't have first round selections in this draft.

But the national draft is irrelevant, once a player chooses a club then GWS only deal with that club, the player does not have to accept any other deal regardless of how good, im sure you know this. So if either of them choose us then where they would go in the draft is irrelevant.

The general consensus on here is that Tomlinson will be available for a pick in the 30's seeing as though our third will be around 41-43 and our forth will be around 59-61 or the dogs third at around pick 50. Pick 42 and pick 60 = pick 34, 42 and 50 = pick 29 both i think are reasonable.

 

[ESKIE]

I had us down for 4 at most, and couldnt for the life of me see how we could kick a winning score.

We're currently 11th. Above us (on percentage) are Port and Melbourne. Next is Adelaide, 4 points clear at 8th spot.

Assuming we win next week against the Lions at Etihad, Port lose to the Pies (probable at the G - could go either way) and Melbourne lose to Hawthorn (which they should), we're sitting on 9th spot. Assuming Adelaide beat the Saints at home (which they should) they'll stay in 8th spot.

The next week Adelaide play WCE at Domain (which the Crows should lose), Melbourne should get rolled by the Pies, and Port come up against the Dogs in Adelaide (which Port could very well drop). We play the Saints at Etihad.

We're every chance of hitting the bye week in 9th spot on percentage, and one game clear of 10th.

We then hit the horror patch of the season after the bye (GWS away, Collingwood, Adelaide (MCG), West Coast Eagles (MCG), Sydney Swans (away), Hawthorn (away)).

We'll be in 9th spot, rested and with nothing to lose and everything to play for. We're every chance of snaring a win or two if Bolton can keep the intensity and belief up.

If we can score two wins out of that lot, were in contention for finals running into the back end of the season. We then face four very winnable games against teams that have probably put the cue in the rack - St Kilda, then Brisbane (away), and then back to back games at the 'G against Melbourne, and then finally Essendon.

Even though I feel as if we'll finish around 10th, its not entirely unreaslistic we'll sneak into the 8.

I never thought I'd be even contemplating finals, even as recently as a month or so ago. I'm... flabbergasted.

Mal ..........

 

[Wickzki]

Well there goes the Ahmed Saad rumors and/or desires with him re-upping with the GCS.

 

[Keyza]

If only there was someone else left at #12 in the draft that the Tigers could have taken instead. Thinking ... thinking ....

Just another thing we have to be thankful to Richmond for.

 

[LanceRomance]

Well there goes the Ahmed Saad rumors and/or desires with him re-upping with the GCS.

adam saad?

 

[therubbernub]

Just another thing we have to be thankful to Richmond for.

The worse thing would be that we would be still stuck with yarran, as cripps would have them on a totally different trajectory

 

[OldCarltonKnows]

Damn I'm glad you never saw my junior footy!

Nobody on here was around in 1870 to see it! : )

 

[Wickzki]

adam saad?

That'd be right. Adam Saad.

 

[passmark]

Good.

Pea heart.

 

[happydude]

The worse thing would be that we would be still stuck with yarran, as cripps would have them on a totally different trajectory

Richmond probably would've played him way out of position and as a result not given him time in the 1s.

 

[Mr_Plow]

Good.

Pea heart.

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