News Bomber Thompson Thread - Police investigation - Post wisely.

[darrenmorgan]

The odd thing to me is why he was suddenly charged on the day of this other guys court case? The raid was in January, and he was questioned then. If all this was found in his room then, why did they wait all that time before charging him (and then suddenly charge him when there was maximum media exposure?) seems a bit odd to me.

 

[candiehappy]

Doesn’t prove anything though; lots of reasons a personal user might want to weigh doses.

I've avoided this, but ... friend of friend is in remand, allegedly a conversation with a co-conspirator of Bombers. Users buy in a group,he was holding stock for several people for own use. Discount for buying in bulk .... It's "dealing" because that is a statutory definition if you have over X quantity, no requirement that you actually do or intend to sell the stuff.

 

[darrenmorgan]

I've avoided this, but ... friend of friend is in remand, allegedly a conversation with a co-conspirator of Bombers. Users buy in a group,he was holding stock for several people for own use. Discount for buying in bulk .... It's "dealing" because that is a statutory definition if you have over X quantity, no requirement that you actually do or intend to sell the stuff.

Exactly. the trafficking charge relates directly to quantity, not intention (perceived or otherwise) to actually sell. Of course the police will argue that just having that amount in his possession indicates an intention to sell, but this simply isn’t always true.

 

[candiehappy]

the police will argue that just having that amount in your possession indicates an intention to sell but this simply isn’t always true.

doesn't even matter, nothing to do with intention as long as you have the quantity.

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

I don't. It isn't like they woke up one day and were magically addicted, they chose to do it.

Depending on the circumstances you really don’t know what drives people to turn to drugs. Some recreational, some pain, some mental issues. Some people are just that mentally unstable with life that they don’t think anything else can help. And they take the easy way out.

 

[darrenmorgan]

doesn't even matter, nothing to do with intention as long as you have the quantity.

Theoretically, but if he can mount a strong enough case that it is/was for personal use only, then it is within their power to drop or downgrade the trafficking charge, notwithstanding the amount.

 

[AM]

Fantastic piece by Martin Blake in today's The Age.

It’s flat-out sad to see what’s happened. Most of all, I hope that those closest to him put their arms around him. Because whatever you think of his alleged crimes, he needs it.

Yep!

 

[Spazz Cat]

I don’t think it has to do with the money. He earned millions out of land development. It’s mental health. Which is the worst place to be in unfortunately.
I just wish him well.

I think the land development was much of the reason. It didn't go the way it was meant to and he didn't have the cash to pay it off.
Anyway I'll always love Bomber because those 2 flags made me extremely happy.
I hope he as at least had some fun over the last couple of years.

 

[Mad_Hatter]

Depending on the circumstances you really don’t know what drives people to turn to drugs. Some recreational, some pain, some mental issues. Some people are just that mentally unstable with life that they don’t think anything else can help. And they take the easy way out.

Of course, those are genuine reasons.
Not excuses.

 

[barmy44]

doesn't even matter, nothing to do with intention as long as you have the quantity.

intention to 'traffic' (variously defined as selling or intending to sell) is absolutely an element of the offence of trafficking...

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

it was a bit tongue in cheek, replying to iameviljez - who is my son ....

Jez is your son? Did you know he was 'evil' before he started posting?

 

[Down at K Park]

You don’t know he was selling; could easily just have been for personal use (and to share with friends). It may sound like a lot but its not really. Given his high profile he may well have just bought a bunch to last him 6+ months so he doesn’t have to go buy all the time, as people with lots of money often do.

Nearly 900 grams of powdered mdma, 135 grams of eccy pills and 33 grams of ice. He would have about 2 or 3 years supply there. No one carries that much for personal use.

But its up to the police to prove the trafficing part. Usually through phone taps etc.

 

[Boxhead_31]

Wonder where he took the wrong fork in the road? Essendon drug scandal?

Answering the phone when Tim Watson called

 

[Boxhead_31]

Nearly 900 grams of powdered mdma, 135 grams of eccy pills and 33 grams of ice. He would have about 2 or 3 years supply there. No one carries that much for personal use.

But its up to the police to prove the trafficing part. Usually through phone taps etc.

Or his visits to detention centres

 

[BotsMaster]

Answering the phone when Tim Watson called

I read today that Tim Watson is in a state of disbelief

 

[Spazz Cat]

Nearly 900 grams of powdered mdma, 135 grams of eccy pills and 33 grams of ice. He would have about 2 or 3 years supply there. No one carries that much for personal use.

But its up to the police to prove the trafficing part. Usually through phone taps etc.

Yeah that's quite a lot. It doesn't look good TBH. As well as visits to an Asian chick in detention.
Oh well innocent till proven guilty I guess.

 

[darrenmorgan]

Nearly 900 grams of powdered mdma, 135 grams of eccy pills and 33 grams of ice. He would have about 2 or 3 years supply there. No one carries that much for personal use.

But its up to the police to prove the trafficing part. Usually through phone taps etc.

I think that includes what the other guy has been charged with (ie total in the house). From what I understand found in his room and being alleged to have belonged to him was “134.6 grams of ecstasy, 33.1 grams of methyl amphetamine, an LSD tab (One?!?!), 5.6 grams of ephedrine and multiple Xanax tablets”.
The rest was found elsewhere and my understanding is being alleged to belong to the defendant in the current case.

So if that is correct, I imagine you could, given some solid evidence and/or testimony, stand a pretty decent chance of arguing personal use (despite it being classified as a trafficable amount).

 

[Down at K Park]

I think that includes what the other guy has been charged with (ie total in the house). From what I understand found in his room and being alleged to have belonged to him was “134.6 grams of ecstasy, 33.1 grams of methyl amphetamine, an LSD tab (One?!?!), 5.6 grams of ephedrine and multiple Xanax tablets”.
The rest was found elsewhere and my understanding is being alleged to belong to the defendant in the current case.

So if that is correct, I imagine you could, given some solid evidence and/or testimony, stand a pretty decent chance of arguing personal use (despite it being classified as a trafficable amount).

Yeah only 135 grams of eccy. Could be pinging off his head for months on end. Clearly innocent then.

 

[steady2]

I am reading way too much rubbish. This did not just happen, his behaviour at Geelong was less than desirable.
It has culminated because he was not held to account.

Not making a judgement, but not trying to rewrite the truth.

He is not an innocent.

But the AFL, with its conflicted standards has a lot to answer for. Suppose Gil wants to do a deal here too.

Do you have anything to substantiate that?

 

[darrenmorgan]

Yeah only 135 grams of eccy. Could be pinging off his head for months on end. Clearly innocent then.

As we touched on earlier, it may well have been purchased between a number of personal users and he just happened to have it all in his possession at the time. Anyway the point being it’s all still being alleged, we have no idea, so those hysterically denouncing him as being “a drug trafficker” (who are “on par with peodophiles”) should probably just take a chill pill (pun intended) until he has his opportunity to defend himself.

 

[barmy44]

until he has his opportunity to defend himself.

he doesnt even have to defend himself... the prosecution have to prove it beyond reasonable doubt. until then, even without saying a word in his own defence, he is innocent.

 

[steady2]

I am not surprised. Have been hearing rumours for a few years.

In fact last year someone close to me spoke to a former Essendon Coach (not Hird) who frankly said that he would never coach again due to his problem.

In regards to the issue of possession vs trafficking, there is a connection between addiction and the need for money, but I do not know any intimate details nor do I accept that as an excuse.

So be it. He remains a club legend and what he has done after, we will perhaps know something of in the future, certainly after the legal system has done its work. I truly hope he gets over this terrible period in his life.

 

[RegHickeyStand]

Fantastic piece by Martin Blake in today's The Age.

Yep!

Bomber said he was emotionally and mentally washed up at the end of 2009. They pushed him for another year, and he was pretty useless. Then the Dons put pressure on him most of 2010. I see him as having a huge people pleaser streak in his make-up.

Maybe he discovered ice gave him that pickmeup he needed.

 

[Spazz Cat]

I think that includes what the other guy has been charged with (ie total in the house). From what I understand found in his room and being alleged to have belonged to him was “134.6 grams of ecstasy, 33.1 grams of methyl amphetamine, an LSD tab (One?!?!), 5.6 grams of ephedrine and multiple Xanax tablets”.
The rest was found elsewhere and my understanding is being alleged to belong to the defendant in the current case.

So if that is correct, I imagine you could, given some solid evidence and/or testimony, stand a pretty decent chance of arguing personal use (despite it being classified as a trafficable amount).

The ephedrine though? I dunno that much about all this shit but does anyone cook up ice for their own personal use? I haven't heard of it but dunno maybe they have.
Anyway prosecutors have to prove it and being able to afford a good lawyer can work wonders in our legal system.

 

[Spazz Cat]

I am not surprised. Have been hearing rumours for a few years.

In fact last year someone close to me spoke to a former Essendon Coach (not Hird) who frankly said that he would never coach again due to his problem.

In regards to the issue of possession vs trafficking, there is a connection between addiction and the need for money, but I do not know any intimate details nor do I accept that as an excuse.

So be it. He remains a club legend and what he has done after, we will perhaps know something of in the future, certainly after the legal system has done its work. I truly hope he gets over this terrible period in his life.

Good post. That pretty much perfectly sums it up for me.