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You guys are all on steroids...
Better than being on the Jones kool aide
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You guys are all on steroids...
The problem is that, as far as testing protocols go, no league in the world has such a comprehensive and strict system... and the more we learn, the more it becomes a joke. This system everyone has massive questions about right now is literally the gold standard. Let that ******* sink in.Even if Jones test was from the previous sample, not sure it sends a good message message by letting him compete with something in his system, irrespective of effect or amount.
One thing is for sure, the technology and administration of anti doping as far as MMA is concerned, still has a loooooong way to go.
Lol...Better than being on the Jones kool aide
Lol...
One thing is for sure, the technology and administration of anti doping as far as MMA is concerned, still has a loooooong way to go.
I’d much prefer it the way it is (USADA) than before without nothing but the system is clearly flawed. Fans somewhat know who is cheating even if they aren’t officially charged with it.
The UFC dont want suspensions as it doesn’t help them, so there’s this push to not have them.
When I starting looking at the sport I thought it was the one thing that stood out the most in comparison to other sports. What doesn’t help is one of the key faces of MMA is unquestionably Joe Rogan and he seems to have this largely inconvincible attitude that a number of fighters aren’t using performance enhancing drugs.
Does anyone actually care that he “snitched”? I don’t love that snitching gets you a reduced sentence but you gotta have something on the table to get the info but legitimately if it wasn’t Jones say it was Condit or someone we all love would we care that he turned evidence?
Yeah I don't care about the snitching either, more its out in the open the better.
Reduction he's gotten taking into account is just mindblowingly out of whack though, add to the fact he has something in his system still and both UFC, CSAC, and USADA have no issue with it is disgraceful.
‘Pulsing’Forgive the ignorance here but how does the amount go from 0 to 9 to 18? I sure a pecogram is not even worth worrying about but how on earth does it go up if he’s not ingesting it
in the UFC's defence, they didn't know back then, but USADA did.Hmm...
Remember how most of us thought the UFCs decision to stay silent (dated Sept. 29) was in relation to Brock's return?
https://www.mmamania.com/2018/9/29/...-violations-before-case-is-resolved-mma-white
So they knew way back then before the fight was announced. They just needed the time to create the story to explain the result away as nothing more than 'pulsing'.
Courtesy of a poster on reddit for joining the dots..
At this point it is very hard for me to separate the UFC and USADA such that they wouldn't be sharing that sort of info. Especially given the anomolous dates mentioned in my post above. It could be all a coincidence that the UFC announced it would be keeping test results quiet a couple of weeks after jones test result and a couple of weeks before the announcement of. the Jones vs Gus fight.in the UFC's defence, they didn't know back then, but USADA did.
The is actually what gives the pulsing a shred of credibility, if any, for me.
USADA wasn't confident in laying down a penalty on those two original adverse findings and needed more data. the fact it spiked to 60 or 80 (whatever it was) so close to the fight is what is super dicey.
Either way, its clear no one knows anything, and USADA is destroying their reputation, one way or another.
also, in terms of supporting USADA's assertion that this metabolite can stay in the system for years and that it peaked due to the increased exercise and weight cut, shouldn't a picogram show up due to the weight cut and fight?So Jones supposedly got his 232 test back and they were completely clean, no “picograms”. Great, good for him. He then proceeds to go on insta and give Gus a bit of lip about it, something along the lines of “this was all Gus wanted to talk about in the lead up”, again, probably a little tasteless given they seemed to bury the hatchet post fight but fine. THEN he limits the comment replies so Gus can’t respond.
He’s just so childish.
Not a pico to be seen.So Jones supposedly got his 232 test back and they were completely clean, no “picograms”. Great, good for him. He then proceeds to go on insta and give Gus a bit of lip about it, something along the lines of “this was all Gus wanted to talk about in the lead up”, again, probably a little tasteless given they seemed to bury the hatchet post fight but fine. THEN he limits the comment replies so Gus can’t respond.
He’s just so childish.
Not a pico to be seen.
Nothing too harsh said on Instagram. And Jones has had his comments limited for quite a while now (too much negativity in the comments, I guess)..probs just has it set so that the people he follows can comment.
Calling jones childish is just funny.. I guess that makes just about everyone in the fight-game childish, Especially nugget McGee.
I’ve got no idea, whether letting him fight was the right or wrong call (happy to say the CSAC made the right decision) the process and communication around it is very, very odd, as are the explanations and circumstances. If Gus had shown the picogram it’s likely a failed drug test, Jones shows it and it’s fine cause we know he failed a drug test before... really odd to me...also, in terms of supporting USADA's assertion that this metabolite can stay in the system for years and that it peaked due to the increased exercise and weight cut, shouldn't a picogram show up due to the weight cut and fight?