Bowden and Wirra over Gilbee?

[Doggies05']

Some say that im being biased but it is very clear that Gilbee was better this season!

Gilbee finished higher than Bowden and Wirra in disposals, he finished 6th in the comp for kicks - now some might also say so he gets alot of kicks, what does that mean? Well this bloke uses every single on of his kicks to his teams advantge and very rarely makes mistakes!
Kicked the ball 330 times in 2005, with the most lethal and damaging kick in the league and stil doesnt get a gig in the AA team.

What more can you want from a player? to kick the ball 330 times in a way that will advantage your team extremely highly and also kick 20 odd goals from a back flank, i mean get real!

Exteremely valuable to any team and id much rather him on my team than Bowdo or wirra based on performances in 2005!

 

[Daytripper]

No complaints about Wirrpunda. Probably would have been the first defender picked.

Bowden is very questionable.

 

[Lonie_from_50]

Wirra should have definately been in

Bowden, WTF was he in there before GILBEE???

 

[Doggies05']

No doubt that Wirra and Bowdo had terrific seasons but to leave someone with the class of a bloke liek Gilbee out is in excusable and just havnt done their homework!

 

[Souup]

Wirrpunda Earned his spot in my opinion but i think Gilbee had a better season then Bowden
Taking nothing away from Bowden though, He had a Great season

 

[Stafford678]

Some say that im being biased but it is very clear that Gilbee was better this season!

Gilbee finished higher than Bowden and Wirra in disposals, he finished 6th in the comp for kicks - now some might also say so he gets alot of kicks, what does that mean? Well this bloke uses every single on of his kicks to his teams advantge and very rarely makes mistakes!
Kicked the ball 330 times in 2005, with the most lethal and damaging kick in the league and stil doesnt get a gig in the AA team.

What more can you want from a player? to kick the ball 330 times in a way that will advantage your team extremely highly and also kick 20 odd goals from a back flank, i mean get real!

Exteremely valuable to any team and id much rather him on my team than Bowdo or wirra based on performances in 2005!

Are you sure, i checked on pro stats and Bowden was ranked 16th in the league for total disposals having 508 , Gilbee comes in at 30 with 457 disposals.

They both are pretty close in the averages , bowden averaged 23 disp and gilbee 20. Maybe Gilbee stood out more becuase of the hype over the bulldogs and he was a improved player, Bowden was a key for us this year aswell and used the ball fairly well , also could play tall or small. Personaly i think Bowden has had the better season JUST... then again i am a bit biased but the stats back me up

 

[The_Flying_Egg]

Are you sure, i checked on pro stats and Bowden was ranked 16th in the league for total disposals having 508 , Gilbee comes in at 30 with 457 disposals.

They both are pretty close in the averages , bowden averaged 23 disp and gilbee 20. Maybe Gilbee stood out more becuase of the hype over the bulldogs and he was a improved player, Bowden was a key for us this year aswell and used the ball fairly well , also could play tall or small. Personaly i think Bowden has had the better season JUST... then again i am a bit biased but the stats back me up

I don't think the stats do back you up. Bowden did get more touches than Gilbee, but Gilbee had more kicks and kicked 16 more goals. 21 goals spending most of his time in defence is a great effort. Statistically I think that the 16 more goals from Lindsay makes up for the 60 more handballs Bowden got

And these basic statistics aren't mentioning the fact that Gilbee has the best disposal in the league, or that the Dogs scored more goals directly from kick-outs this season than any other team with Lindsay doing most of the kick-outs. Lindsay had the better year and should've been in. The most creative defender in the AFL this season and rarely had a bag kicked on him. I don't know what more he could have done

 

[Thrice3]

Bowden did get more touches than Gilbee, but Gilbee had more kicks and kicked 16 more goals. Statistically I think that the 16 more goals from Lindsay makes up for the 60 more handballs Bowden got

And these basic statistics aren't mentioning the fact that Gilbee has the best disposal in the league, or that the Dogs scored more goals directly from kick-outs this season than any other team with Lindsay doing most of the kick-outs. Lindsay had the better year and should've been in. The most creative defender in the AFL this season and rarely had a bag kicked on him. I don't know what more he could have done

Gilbee had 5 more kicks than Bowden. Woah! What a difference!

 

[bunsen burner]

No doubt that Wirra and Bowdo had terrific seasons but to leave someone with the class of a bloke liek Gilbee out is in excusable and just havnt done their homework!

Sorry to point out the obvious, but Wirra was easily the best small defender in 2005. Had a better season that Gilbee without a doubt.

Gilbee was my choice for the HBF, but I can think of at least a few others who should have been there before Bowden.

 

[jackson_rules]

I don't think the stats do back you up. Bowden did get more touches than Gilbee, but Gilbee had more kicks and kicked 16 more goals. 21 goals spending most of his time in defence is a great effort. Statistically I think that the 16 more goals from Lindsay makes up for the 60 more handballs Bowden got

And these basic statistics aren't mentioning the fact that Gilbee has the best disposal in the league, or that the Dogs scored more goals directly from kick-outs this season than any other team with Lindsay doing most of the kick-outs. Lindsay had the better year and should've been in. The most creative defender in the AFL this season and rarely had a bag kicked on him. I don't know what more he could have done

if he backs ot up next year he should be in or else he is jsut a one year wonder

 

[The_Flying_Egg]

Gilbee had 5 more kicks than Bowden. Woah! What a difference!

16 more goals. And what I was trying to point out is that Gilbee kicks the ball far more than he handballs, which when you kick the ball like he does isn't a bad trait I wouldn't have thought. Gilbee's kick is absolutely brilliant

Bowden while a good player should count himself very, very lucky, because he made it ahead of someone who was more damaging than him this season

 

[The_Flying_Egg]

Sorry to point out the obvious, but Wirra was easily the best small defender in 2005. Had a better season that Gilbee without a doubt.

Gilbee was my choice for the HBF, but I can think of at least a few others who should have been there before Bowden.

Your kidding if you think Wirrpunda was easily better than Gilbee. Wirrpunda might have better defensive skills but Gilbee got the ball more, used it better and kicked more goals. They had very comprable seasons and it wouldn't have been a surprise if Gilbee got in ahead of him

 

[Nandoz]

Im sorry but Bowden over Gilbee is extremely questionable.

Gilbee was sensational this year, possibly the most improved player in the competition, came from absolutely nowhere and deserved a spot over bowden.

BTW Wirrpunda was easily the best small defender...

 

[SBI]

if he backs ot up next year he should be in or else he is jsut a one year wonder

Why, all of a sudden, do previous years have anything to do with the team of the year.

 

[bunsen burner]

Your kidding if you think Wirrpunda was easily better than Gilbee. Wirrpunda might have better defensive skills but Gilbee got the ball more, used it better and kicked more goals. They had very comprable seasons and it wouldn't have been a surprise if Gilbee got in ahead of him

Wirra was the standout back pocket full stop. Most people saw it that way for very good reason.

I recall Gilbee having a very good season but I didn't see him rebounding the ball out of defence week-in week-out. Wirra was the hands down choice for the back pocket.

 

[Daytripper]

Your kidding if you think Wirrpunda was easily better than Gilbee. Wirrpunda might have better defensive skills but Gilbee got the ball more, used it better and kicked more goals. They had very comprable seasons and it wouldn't have been a surprise if Gilbee got in ahead of him

You're not watching enough Eagles games.

 

[evo]

How about questioning the Clement choice.I'm sure I'll be charged with bias but i reckon Bowden plays the big 3rd defender role better than Clement.

How about Bowden bp.Gilbee HBF. Clement out.

 

[bunsen burner]

How about questioning the Clement choice.I'm sure I'll be charged with bias but i reckon Bowden plays the big 3rd defender role better than Clement.

How about Bowden bp.Gilbee HBF. Clement out.

Bowden just shouldn't be in there at any rate.

If Clement went out I think you'd be looking at Hudgton. And surely Gilbee, Milburn, Hunter and a few others are more deserving than Bowden.

 

[Nandoz]

Clement in the team any day. For christ sake, for a bloke who plays with bloody Wakelin and Prestigiacomo, he goes alright, held the fort for a whole season. God knows how bad they would have been had he have broken down.

 

[evo]

Just out of interest BUnny.

How many Richmond games have you seen this season?

Who beat Bowden in your opinion,bear in mind he played on guys like Barry Hall,Pavlich etc. through necessity.?

Are you awareBowden despite this averaged 23.3 possies/game eclipsing many of the leagues best midfielders.

 

[evo]

Clement in the team any day. For christ sake, for a bloke who plays with bloody Wakelin and Prestigiacomo, he goes alright, held the fort for a whole season. God knows how bad they would have been had he have broken down.

Bowden has to play next to Ray Hall and Gaspar.About the same 'support' I would v'e thought.

p.s East Donny Nandoz is tasty.

 

[The_Flying_Egg]

You're not watching enough Eagles games.

I saw plenty of Eagles games. Wirra had a great season. So did Lindsay.

I don't know how Wirra could have been easily better when Gilbee got more if it and kicked 21 goals to 2 and got almost 100 more touches. I know they're defenders but Gilbee didn't have bags kicked on him and he layed more tackles than Wirrpunda. Gilbee played a few more games but thats part of having a good season

Wirrpunda was better defensively. Lindsay was the most creative, attacking defender in the country. If Wirrpunda was better overall, than he was better by bugger all. I doubt his opponents kicked 19 goals less than Lindsay opponents did

As far as Im concerned there were 2 standout small defenders this season.

And Bunsen Burner if you don't recall Gilbee rebounding the ball out of defence week-in week-out I think you have a memory problem

And once again Im not saying Gilbee neccesarily had a better year than Wirra. But it was very close either way

 

[fEarLess_dEMOn]

Stop complaining bulldogs fans, Brad Johnson got in, probably the most undeserved player in the AA side IMO. A disgrace for taking the spot of robbo or williams

 

[bunsen burner]

Just out of interest BUnny.

How many Richmond games have you seen this season?

Who beat Bowden in your opinion,bear in mind he played on guys like Barry Hall,Pavlich etc. through necessity.?

Are you awareBowden despite this averaged 23.3 possies/game eclipsing many of the leagues best midfielders.

Seen plenty of Richmond games. Watched a lot of footy this year. Bowden has mainly been used as loose man in defense. Had a good year but others have been better.

 

[Silvagnis]

Pretty good 8 games by Patrick Bowden if he made the AA side.