Recommitted Brad Crouch [RFA 2020]

[bird_man]

Wtf you say you have no idea if brad wants to leave

Yet you're in a thread discussing him leaving



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I don't remember saying he'll leave or he won't?

Why would I have to know whether he's leaving or not to discuss possible trade scenarios?

 

[sunsofanarchy]

Can't be too long after brad signs with gc that matt will fly over too tbh

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[Drewie11]

Can't be too long after brad signs with gc that matt will fly over too tbh

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Sure just send Luko and Rankine back, you know they’re going to leave anyway

 

[Crow till I die]

Can't be too long after brad signs with gc that matt will fly over too tbh

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Fair chop. Lukosius and your 2020 1st coming back the other way sounds great

 

[TryAnHit]

And if he gets injured again and still wants to leave for $500k x 3 years you will get a band 3 (after your 2nd round pick)

Then they match and force a trade or keep him

 

[buttox]

wherever he goes.
bit less than 2 x round 1 picks seems about it.
pros
better than good player.
in his prime
cons
average disposal
injury history

id guess a round 1 pick + a second rounder.

 

[Hawk_francais]

Doubt he's going anywhere. He's told the media he wants to stay long-term at the crows, he's told his brother he's staying, and told teammates the gold coast offer isn't true.

 

[ADL9798]

#10-#15

The trade you’ve proposed either values Crouch in the 3rd round or Lukosius at significantly more than the pick 2 he was taken with less than 12 months ago, which I’m not sure he’s justified yet.

In any case, I suspect this is all moot as I don’t see Crouch going anywhere, and even if he was, we’re not making finals next year so we’d get more than pick 10 in RFA compo anyway.

 

[THE_GUN]

The trade you’ve proposed either values Crouch in the 3rd round or Lukosius at significantly more than the pick 2 he was taken with less than 12 months ago, which I’m not sure he’s justified yet.

In any case, I suspect this is all moot as I don’t see Crouch going anywhere, and even if he was, we’re not making finals next year so we’d get more than pick 10 in RFA compo anyway.

Lukosius would have gone pick #1 to just about 80% of the clubs but Carlton needed a mid.

So can you explain to me how you came up with your 3rd round valuation ? as im thinking you are going by points

#1 = 3000 points (lukosius)

#4 =2034
#18 = 985

Seriously how do you get 3rd rounder ??

 

[THE_GUN]

Then they match and force a trade or keep him

Then you keep a 27 year old injury riddled player on your books for 3-4-5 years that doesnt want to be there
Good luck no club will do that just big footy poster

 

[THE_GUN]

Go read our board. Alot of us have been after the admin since the GF.
You are a little late to the party.

Nah mate your board is a little late to the party , Our board have been saying this since the 2017 premiership and the stupid power rangers episode
its not only the time thats behind in SA

 

[ADL9798]

Lukosius would have gone pick #1 to just about 80% of the clubs but Carlton needed a mid.

So can you explain to me how you came up with your 3rd round valuation ? as im thinking you are going by points

#1 = 3000 points (lukosius)

#4 =2034
#18 = 985

Seriously how do you get 3rd rounder ??

That’s speculation. Lukosius was taken with pick 2. Pick 2 (2517 pts) - pick 4 (2034 pts) = pick 37 (483 pts).

If you’re going to arbitrarily pump up Lukosius’ value based on the last 12 months it’s only fair to do the same for Crouch after a B&F winning season.

Again, some persistent overrating of Lukosius / underrating of Crouch in this thread. Lukosius has his whole career ahead of him, but while he could be a world beater, he could just as easily join the pile of very talented key forwards taken early in the draft who have failed to meet expectations. He’s done nothing to confirm which path he’ll go down as of yet.

 

[THE_GUN]

That’s speculation. Lukosius was taken with pick 2. Pick 2 (2517 pts) - pick 4 (2034 pts) = pick 37 (483 pts).

If you’re going to arbitrarily pump up Lukosius’ value based on the last 12 months it’s only fair to do the same for Crouch after a B&F winning season.

Again, some persistent overrating of Lukosius / underrating of Crouch in this thread. Lukosius has his whole career ahead of him, but while he could be a world beater, he could just as easily join the pile of very talented key forwards taken early in the draft who have failed to meet expectations. He’s done nothing to confirm which path he’ll go down as of yet.

Who would your club have taken if they had pick #1 last year

 

[Revan11]

I can’t speak for what the Bulldogs thought Tom Boyd and Ryan Griffen were worth (noting Griffen was 29 at the time of that trade, Crouch is 25, so they’re really not comparable in the slightest), just providing on my own thoughts re: player value.

Lukosius could be anything from Nick Riewoldt to Jack Watts. You know what you’re getting with a player like Brad.

Yeh an injury prone mid who's had one good year in 7.

 

[Revan11]

Only way i see Lukosius being traded to the Crows is if its Crouch +#4

Very fair trade. Would do in a heartbeat.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

That’s speculation. Lukosius was taken with pick 2. Pick 2 (2517 pts) - pick 4 (2034 pts) = pick 37 (483 pts).

I really wish people would stop valuing trades based on bid matching points. They're not an indicator of relative pick values in trades. They're only relevant to bid matching and nothing else.

 

[Young Gun #6]

Some of the valuing in here is pretty crazy. Brad Crouch worth Pick 2 alone?

Not a chance.

He’s played 85 odds games in 7 seasons and although increased his possessions per game this year significantly, his disposal was absolutely putrid.

People quickly forget how bad players disposal is when they are racking up 30-35 touches but he’s not an elite mid.

Elite mids don’t get 30 touches a game and go at 64%.

Treloar (who gets smashed for his poor disposal) cleaned it up a tonne this year and went at 71% from 33 touches a game. People just live off reputation though, fans still think he is a rubbish kick of the ball, when it’s not true. Conversely people think Crouch is an a grader because he used to have good disposal and bumped up his disposals per game while finally playing a full season injury free after 7 years.

The only player in the league that gets more than 20-25 touches a game that had worse disposal this year was Taranto from watching nearly all of Crouch’s games.

Find me another player that goes at 64% efficiency when they only have 11/30 contested possessions per game...


No chance he’s an A grader with how crap his disposal was in his 1 fully fit season out of 7.

 

[Jirik13]

He’s done nothing to confirm which path he’ll go down as of yet.

I watched him every game this year. He played 21 games, started forward, then moved to wing and settled in half back. He showed more than enough this year to suggest he will be special. I don't see many players in AFL with the same kick, the accuracy, distance - simply beauty. He also reads game exceptionally well, great vision, does not panic, always seem to have plenty of time with a ball. As he gets stronger and builds his tank you will see him more forward and on the wing.

Personally, I would not even entertain Luko in B Crouch trade (not going to happen anyway). Suns have number of young midfielders approaching 50 games who should step up. B Crouch would be handy but he is not elite. I would be happy with Greenwood if it happens and drafting Rowell and Anderson (if PP awarded).

 

[Ash1337]

Crouch and 3 for luko and 2020 2nd. Crouch is worth a late first at most imo and luko is worth pick 1.

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[marty36]

Crouch and 3 for luko and 2020 2nd. Crouch is worth a late first at most imo and luko is worth pick 1.

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There is no dispute on what crouch is worth as a trade to the crows

He is an RFA next year and will net us a 1st round pick depending where we finish so most would predict that will be pick 4 to 5

If Adelaide were to consider accepting less who ever did, will lose their Job, their is currently an external review being conducted for any dumb arse decisions being made

Who in their right mind at the club would trade him for anything less if they wanted to keep their job

 

[bird_man]

Lukosius would have gone pick #1 to just about 80% of the clubs but Carlton needed a mid.

Doubt that is true.

 

[sunsofanarchy]

I agree with you, but if crouch says trade me, it does change the landscape somewhat

There is no dispute on what crouch is worth as a trade to the crows

He is an RFA next year and will net us a 1st round pick depending where we finish so most would predict that will be pick 4 to 5

If Adelaide were to consider accepting less who ever did, will lose their Job, their is currently an external review being conducted for any dumb arse decisions being made

Who in their right mind at the club would trade him for anything less if they wanted to keep their job

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[When I Crow Up]

Some of the valuing in here is pretty crazy. Brad Crouch worth Pick 2 alone?

Not a chance.

He’s played 85 odds games in 7 seasons and although increased his possessions per game this year significantly, his disposal was absolutely putrid.

People quickly forget how bad players disposal is when they are racking up 30-35 touches but he’s not an elite mid.

Elite mids don’t get 30 touches a game and go at 64%.

Treloar (who gets smashed for his poor disposal) cleaned it up a tonne this year and went at 71% from 33 touches a game. People just live off reputation though, fans still think he is a rubbish kick of the ball, when it’s not true. Conversely people think Crouch is an a grader because he used toi have good disposal and bumped up his disposals per game while finally playing a full season injury free after 7 years.

The only player in the league that gets more than 20-25 touches a game that had worse disposal this year was Taranto from watching nearly all of Crouch’s games.

Find me another player that goes at 64% efficiency when they only have 11/30 contested possessions per game...


No chance he’s an A grader with how crap his disposal was in his 1 fully fit season out of 7.

Find you another player? Umm, how about Ollie Wines, Sam Powell-Pepper and Tom Rockliff from your team alone. Or let's go for a bigger name like Dustin Martin? Or he is crap too? Come on, don't let your Port lens cloud your vision.

 

[Ash1337]

There is no dispute on what crouch is worth as a trade to the crows

He is an RFA next year and will net us a 1st round pick depending where we finish so most would predict that will be pick 4 to 5

If Adelaide were to consider accepting less who ever did, will lose their Job, their is currently an external review being conducted for any dumb arse decisions being made

Who in their right mind at the club would trade him for anything less if they wanted to keep their job

Yep and you would get overs for him in that case because he's not worth that. Also if Crows successfully land Grundy then that pick is gone. It'll be cheaper to trade for luko this year.

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[Young Gun #6]

Find you another player? Umm, how about Ollie Wines, Sam Powell-Pepper and Tom Rockliff from your team alone. Or let's go for a bigger name like Dustin Martin? Or he is crap too? Come on, don't let your Port lens cloud your vision.

The awkward thing are they are all bad users of the ball (except Martin which you’ll see below) and they are STILL all going at higher percentages than Crouch.

None of those are A graders except maybe Wines and obviously Martin which you’ll see below is nowhere near comparable to Martin.

Wines had his worst season and still averaged 67% DE compared to 64% from Crouch and had 42% of his possessions as contested compared to 37% from Crouch. Wines is a known bad ball user, Crouch has a reputation as an ok to good user when he’s just dished up a full season of absolutely trash use of the ball.

Martin isnt even comparable as he takes the game on regularly, kicks it 63% of the time (compared to 51% of the time by Crouch), averages 80 more metres gained per game with 5 less disposals than Crouch and STILL goes at a higher DE.

Again, find me some players that average worse than 64% DE per game while only 37% of their possessions are contested...

Do you really want Crouch lumped in with Rockliff, Wines, SPP, Taranto, Brayshaw, Shiel etc that are notoriously bad users of the ball...

I know I wouldn’t and it just reflects his true worth when he’s in the same discussions as Shiel, Brayshaw, SPP, Rockliff etc at how he uses the ball now.

The amount of times on a dry day you’d see Crouch just soccer the ball forward straight to an opponent without even thinking was horrendous. Fair enough in wet games but it just highlights how shit his disposal and decision making was this year.

He’s not an A grade mid and especially isn’t when you add in his injury history.

The stats articulate perfectly his season and reflect exactly what he was doing all this year and how horrendous his ball use has actually become.