Recommitted Brad Crouch [RFA 2020]

[When I Crow Up]

Yep and you would get overs for him in that case because he's not worth that. Also if Crows successfully land Grundy then that pick is gone. It'll be cheaper to trade for luko this year.

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I could see the Crows packaging up BCrouch and Greenwood for Luko. I think that if GC know Luko isn't going to re-sign next year (which we don't know if that's right or not but they'd have a good feel for it), it'd be a much more palatable 'win' for them in the media and to their supporters to bring in a couple of quality players for Luko as opposed to another story about a young player choosing not to re-sign. I think both teams win from that trade. GC get leadership through their midfield and Greenwood can go forward, clunk a mark and is a good set shot plus he's got a great backstory that will make supporters love him.

 

[WillieNillie]

Crouch is worth pick 10-15

Lukoscious pick 5-10. (closer to pick 5)


Swap the two players, give Gold Coast some pick upgrades and lets all move on please

 

[marty36]

I agree with you, but if crouch says trade me, it does change the landscape somewhat

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no it really doesn't when youre job is on the line you wont be trading anyone for unders as it puts you in the gun

And at the moment the whole club is in the gun

 

[marty36]

Yep and you would get overs for him in that case because he's not worth that. Also if Crows successfully land Grundy then that pick is gone. It'll be cheaper to trade for luko this year.

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Grundy will be sorted thsi year, he is seeking a contract resigning, he will either get one or he will leave, most would think he is using Adelaide to get what he wants out of collingwood

That wont drag to next year

 

[marty36]

Crouch is worth pick 10-15

Lukoscious pick 5-10. (closer to pick 5)


Swap the two players, give Gold Coast some pick upgrades and lets all move on please

How do you get that

Crouch is worth to Adelaide where ever they are predicted to finish next year FULL STOP no more no less, plus another year of playing for the crows on a lower wage than to be negotiated, the only thing to concern ourselves with is where will we finish next year?

 

[When I Crow Up]

The awkward thing are they are all bad users of the ball (except Martin which you’ll see below) and they are STILL all going at higher percentages than Crouch.

None of those are A graders except maybe Wines and obviously Martin which you’ll see below is nowhere near comparable to Martin.

Wines had his worst season and still averaged 67% DE compared to 64% from Crouch and had 42% of his possessions as contested compared to 37% from Crouch. Wines is a known bad ball user, Crouch has a reputation as an ok to good user when he’s just dished up a full season of absolutely trash use of the ball.

Martin isnt even comparable as he takes the game on regularly, kicks it 63% of the time (compared to 51% of the time by Crouch), averages 80 more metres gained per game with 5 less disposals than Crouch and STILL goes at a higher DE.

Again, find me some players that average worse than 64% DE per game while only 37% of their possessions are contested...

Do you really want Crouch lumped in with Rockliff, Wines, SPP, Taranto, Brayshaw, Shiel etc that are notoriously bad users of the ball...

I know I wouldn’t and it just reflects his true worth when he’s in the same discussions as Shiel, Brayshaw, SPP, Rockliff etc at how he uses the ball now.

The amount of times on a dry day you’d see Crouch just soccer the ball forward straight to an opponent without even thinking was horrendous. Fair enough in wet games but it just highlights how s**t his disposal and decision making was this year.

He’s not an A grade mid and especially isn’t when you add in his injury history.

The stats articulate perfectly his season and reflect exactly what he was doing all this year and how horrendous his ball use has actually become.

And BCrouch also had his worst statistical year. He averages 68% efficiency over his career, this year he was down as was most of our team. He also average 2.5x more tackles then Martin, played exclusively as an inside mid and still gained 400 odd metres a game, gave away virtually no free kicks, and had plenty of score involvements despite our forward line being horrible all year.

He's rated as elite by the game on his statistics so you can disagree but clearly teams rate him and he's going to cost a lot in a trade.

 

[Ash1337]

How do you get that

Crouch is worth to Adelaide where ever they are predicted to finish next year FULL STOP no more no less, plus another year of playing for the crows on a lower wage than to be negotiated, the only thing to concern ourselves with is where will we finish next year?

No he's not. Do you also think Frawley was also worth pick 3?

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[Crow till I die]

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Just a look at B Crouch against Cotchin, Coniglio and Shiel this year - better disposal efficiency than Cotchin and Coniglio and slightly worse then Shiel but more possessions averaged than all these guys

 

[marty36]

No he's not. Do you also think Frawley was also worth pick 3?

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I don't care what Frawley is worth

The simple facts are we will receive a first rounder depending on where we finish next year plus another year of him playing for the crows on a reasonable wage

If any dimwit in the club wants to accept a pick worse than say pick 5 (my predicted finish is 14th) then management will crack it and they will be sacked, the club is currently reviewing all their processes and to accept less than the achievable would you mean you may aswell pack your bags and turn the light off on the way out.

Surely you wouldn't think any person apart from Willie Rioli would be that dumb

 

[Cleric]

GC would not let go Luko unless he strongly demands it. So far no indication. I guess we will find out in a couple of weeks. Also, sorry Crows fans but I can't see him to go to your team at the moment. It does not look good from the outside.

Yet he would want to stay at GC which as we know is such a well ran and successful team....

 

[marty36]

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Just a look at B Crouch against Cotchin, Coniglio and Shiel this year - better disposal efficiency than Cotchin and Coniglio and slightly worse then Shiel but more possessions averaged than all these guys

YOur debating irrelevant information

WE know full well he is an RFA next year, the AFL set that compo not the clubs, BF or Terry Wallace

That will be the starting point, or the individual responsible for trading has a comparison that they can be judged against, its not an unkown as such and with hindsight that finising position will be determined

 

[marty36]

GC would not let go Luko unless he strongly demands it. So far no indication. I guess we will find out in a couple of weeks. Also, sorry Crows fans but I can't see him to go to your team at the moment. It does not look good from the outside.

I suppose the same applies to Crouch

 

[Cleric]

How do you get that

Crouch is worth to Adelaide where ever they are predicted to finish next year FULL STOP no more no less, plus another year of playing for the crows on a lower wage than to be negotiated, the only thing to concern ourselves with is where will we finish next year?

He's just trolling.

 

[Cleric]

YOur debating irrelevant information

WE know full well he is an RFA next year, the AFL set that compo not the clubs, BF or Terry Wallace

That will be the starting point, or the individual responsible for trading has a comparison that they can be judged against, its not an unkown as such and with hindsight that finising position will be determined

Crouch would be a first round compo pick, and as we will most likely finish bottom 6 next year, taking a compo pick isn't such a loss. We can play hardball with him this year.

 

[Crow till I die]

YOur debating irrelevant information

WE know full well he is an RFA next year, the AFL set that compo not the clubs, BF or Terry Wallace

That will be the starting point, or the individual responsible for trading has a comparison that they can be judged against, its not an unkown as such and with hindsight that finising position will be determined

no, it was in reply to that tiger supporter bagging crouch's disposal efficiency. so there are some direct player comparisons to show that his disposal efficiency stacks up very similarly against 3 guys I am sure that that tiger fan thinks are stars of the comp. It shows him that Crouch is very much in the same class as those guys now he is over his injury

 

[marty36]

no, it was in reply to that tiger supporter bagging crouch's disposal efficiency. so there are some direct player comparisons to show that his disposal efficiency stacks up very similarly against 3 guys I am sure that that tiger fan thinks are stars of the comp. It shows him that Crouch is very much in the same class as those guys now he is over his injury

That's because he doesn't play for Richmond

Just tell him how poor Dusty Martin is with his defensive actions ,which is why Fyfe is soo much better than him

Saying that I would have Fyfe or Martin in my team everyday of the week, FFS Id have Toby Greene in my team and he is a total tool

 

[marty36]

Crouch would be a first round compo pick, and as we will most likely finish bottom 6 next year, taking a compo pick isn't such a loss. We can play hardball with him this year.

That is clearly the starting point

And with the fact everyone has a microscope up their bum at the club at the moment, no one will be stupid enough to trade for unders

 

[Arr0w]

Crouch would be a first round compo pick, and as we will most likely finish bottom 6 next year, taking a compo pick isn't such a loss. We can play hardball with him this year.

I think you are a mid table side next year. So let's say it will be pick 8. There are some highly touted NGA, academy and F/S next year, that number is around 16 kids, but again let's say it only moves back 2 spots. So your normal pick would likely be 10, then compo pick is 11

That's the starting point

 

[marty36]

I think you are a mid table side next year. So let's say it will be pick 8. There are some highly touted NGA, academy and F/S next year, that number is around 16 kids, but again let's say it only moves back 2 spots. So your normal pick would likely be 10, then compo pick is 11

That's the starting point

I don't think the club are delusional about where they are the moment, if we were thinking a mid table finish, it would be very very unlikely the board has called for a full external review and the coach has left, lets be real and honest now

If we are calling for this review, its not because of the financial position of the club, that's fantastic, its onfield its been called for , StKilda Melbourne GC Carlton should have shut the doors years if we are taking drastic action on your predicted mid table finish

 

[Arr0w]

I don't think the club are delusional about where they are the moment, if we were thinking a mid table finish, it would be very very unlikely the board has called for a full external review and the coach has left, lets be real and honest now

If we are calling for this review, its not because of the financial position of the club, that's fantastic, its onfield its been called for , StKilda Melbourne GC Carlton should have shut the doors years if we are taking drastic action on your predicted mid table finish

Marty you continue to be somewhat doom and gloom as opposed to the starting of the year being overly optimistic. The balance is somewhere in between.

Unless you make massive cuts/players exodus to the list, then you won't finish anywhere near bottom 4. Unless of course you go into full reset/rebuild mode, which I don't see happening

I see Crouch being in the 7-10 range in value, so unless you get overs, you should retain him unless the price tag is too high

 

[WillieNillie]

How do you get that

Crouch is worth to Adelaide where ever they are predicted to finish next year FULL STOP no more no less, plus another year of playing for the crows on a lower wage than to be negotiated, the only thing to concern ourselves with is where will we finish next year?

Im getting Crouches value based on the contract you are willing to offer essentially. If he was in the top 10 range I dont think you are sneezing too hard over the 6 year 5 mill he wants. You would just give him that and move on. If you think he is more in the 4 year 2.8 mill range for example (which is where I imagine you are at), I think it goes into this 10-15 range.

Maybe im overrating the draft picks this year however.

 

[marty36]

Marty you continue to be somewhat doom and gloom as opposed to the starting of the year being overly optimistic. The balance is somewhere in between.

Unless you make massive cuts/players exodus to the list, then you won't finish anywhere near bottom 4. Unless of course you go into full reset/rebuild mode, which I don't see happening

I see Crouch being in the 7-10 range in value, so unless you get overs, you should retain him unless the price tag is too high

Its not doom and gloom its reality

The coach is gone (FOR A REASON)

An external review has happened (FOR A REASON)

We finished 11th last year and your saying you think we will finish 8TH this year

Im actually being optomistic on finishing 14th, that would give us pick 5 for Brad

 

[Cleric]

I think you are a mid table side next year. So let's say it will be pick 8. There are some highly touted NGA, academy and F/S next year, that number is around 16 kids, but again let's say it only moves back 2 spots. So your normal pick would likely be 10, then compo pick is 11

That's the starting point

No, because we wouldn't have access to those kids anyway. The point is mute.

 

[Cleric]

If Gibbs is worth two firsts, then Crouch is worth more than him.

 

[WillieNillie]

If Gibbs is worth two firsts, then Crouch is worth more than him.

Two people on planet Earth think Bryce Gibbs is worth two firsts. One unfortunately was your list manager. He was worth pick 15-20 at the time. You got absolutely creamed

You cannot expect to punish Gold Coast for your own silly mistakes. It wont work