Brad Haddin - why do we persist?

[Johnson#26]

I'm loving this review, and the fact that a lot of what we've had to put up with infield is being cleared out. But brad Haddin remains. Why?? He's never been 'that' good, he is too flighty with the bat, and we have a perfectly able keeper T.Paine ready to run.

I thought after the WC we'd finally move on. Why're we waiting?

 

[Phone]

'perfectly able keeper T.Paine ready to run.'

well that's just a lie.

haddin will go at summers end most likely. def in ODers anyway. hopefully by then the new selection panel will get over this paine future captain obsession and pick Wade in the ODers as he most certainly is the best option there and if paine has actually had a good fc season he'll take over in tests. but if paine has another meh season and they don't have confidence in wade taking over in tests too Haddin may well stay there.

haddin being our leading run-scorer in the world cup and being one of the three batsman who can hold their heads up high after the ashes will also help haddin out but i'd say his fate is in paine and wade's hands. step up in the fc season and haddin will be on his way out.

 

[Tassieboy]

I feel sorry for the bloke - he had Gilly to contend with when in his prime; and he was never a better playing than Gilly, despite being more than solid. I think he is a shadow of the player he was a few years ago. However, his ODI record during this time IIRC was not too flash.

 

[dan warna]

rubbish, gilly was a better keeper and a better batsman.

Haddin is a good batsman and an average keeper.

he drops at least 1 catch a test match, people were howling for gilly to be dropped when his batting slipped, but he was never as a bad a keeper as haddin.

 

[courtjester]

Our batting would have been screwed last year without Haddin.

 

[ROSEMVP]

Matty Wade should be in the test and one day sides. Best Keeper batsman in the country by a mile. Stats actually back it up.

1. Wade
2. Hartley
3. Paine

 

[peternorth]

hopefully by then the new selection panel will get over this paine future captain obsession and pick Wade in the ODers as he most certainly is the best option there and if paine has actually had a good fc season he'll take over in tests. but if paine has another meh season and they don't have confidence in wade taking over in tests too Haddin may well stay there.

paine for captain has died down. i remember when the selection panel and foxsports were jerkin themselves over clarke being the next captain.

these days if you're a batsman who keeps you've got a better shot than a keeper who bats.

 

[Phone]

paine being the captain on the aus a tour a month ago says otherwise.

that's not to say paine would be a bad captain. but learn from the mess SA got in when they planned for botha to take over from smith as OD captain....only for that to fall apart when imran tahir broke into the team and botha didn't have a place anymore. right now Wade is so far ahead of Paine as an OD option it's not funny while he isn't any better of an option in tests than hartley or wade

 

[dan warna]

Our batting would have been screwed last year without Haddin.

tis true, but that is a reflection on carrying smith, north and hughes who contributed almost nothing this season. punter was hopelessly out of form, but he was handed a substandard bowling attack, a substandard batting line up, a keeper who can bat but dropped catches all over the place, and of course was playing with 1 man down carrying Smith

 

[Bucking Beads]

Tim Paine is so over-rated... He averages not much over 30 in first class cricket, that is just not good enough to be the Australian keeper IMO. Haddin needs to go but only if his replacement is worthy.

 

[King Elvis]

Our batting would have been screwed last year without Haddin.

It was anyway mate.

 

[dumb]

he hasn't got much more to go in his career anyway you'd think. i'd be surprised if he didn't get a nudge not long after the home ODI series. maybe even during, with one of those rest selections giving another keeper a go.

 

[dan warna]

Tim Paine is so over-rated... He averages not much over 30 in first class cricket, that is just not good enough to be the Australian keeper IMO. Haddin needs to go but only if his replacement is worthy.

healy averaged about 30 and was worth it because of his keeping.

paine's test average is considerably better than his FC average from limited appearances I think.

1 dropped catch per game is less likely from paine than butterfingers haddin.

 

[Bucking Beads]

healy averaged about 30 and was worth it because of his keeping.

paine's test average is considerably better than his FC average from limited appearances I think.

1 dropped catch per game is less likely from paine than butterfingers haddin.

Paine isn't as good a keeper as Healy was. The most alarming part of Paine's record is his lack of first class centuries. He can bat and has a good technique but doesn't make the runs he should... You all cry about Clarke and Smith getting gigs in Australian colours when they were undeserving of the honour and Paine is in exactly the same boat...

 

[dan warna]

Paine isn't as good a keeper as Healy was. The most alarming part of Paine's record is his lack of first class centuries. He can bat and has a good technique but doesn't make the runs he should... You all cry about Clarke and Smith getting gigs in Australian colours when they were undeserving of the honour and Paine is in exactly the same boat...

clarke's batting form is acceptable now, Smith is carried in all forms of the game.

Healy was in the test side for his keeping.

paine's keeping is considerably better than Haddin's, so's everyone elses for that matter.

 

[Bucking Beads]

Paine's keeping is not that good, if keeping mattered as much as you think Hartley would have been given a baggy green well before Haddin... Wade is the best option we have at the moment.

 

[dan warna]

Paine's keeping is not that good, if keeping mattered as much as you think Hartley would have been given a baggy green well before Haddin... Wade is the best option we have at the moment.

I agree, but wade isn't considered by the selectors atm.

its haddin, paine, manou in the pecking order atm.

 

[Bucking Beads]

I agree, but wade isn't considered by the selectors atm.

its haddin, paine, manou in the pecking order atm.

Manou retired champ haha. Happy to see Paine given a run especially in place of Haddin but I think Wade should be the replacement for Haddin. Hopefully these new selectors have a clue.

 

[dan warna]

Manou retired champ haha. Happy to see Paine given a run especially in place of Haddin but I think Wade should be the replacement for Haddin. Hopefully these new selectors have a clue.

As i've mentioned before, Wade is a good choice.

I think we should choose a keeper who can keep and then any batting is a bonus (as long as they aren't a complete SPuD)

 

[Hellgood]

Haddin's time should be just about up. He usually looks threatening with the bat, but sure as anything he'll do something stupid and throw it away. Was our leading scorer in the World Cup, but his runs came mostly off the minnows and he just doesn't step up when we need him. When it comes to tests he's just about the last player you would want when we are 5/70 (common occurence these days), has some huge flaws against quality bowling. His keeping is quite poor as well which is the last thing that the Australian cricket team needs right now.

In all though he's carved out a pretty long gutsy career living in the shadow of Gilchrist, playing the odd ODI then getting his chance in tests and has had a much better test career than most. I think though that it's time for our next keeper to come in, hopefully Matthew Wade, but Paine is likely to get first shot as he has already had a taste of the international scene and CA is already talking about him as the next captain Who knows though, maybe this review will knock some sense into CA and our selectors will look beyond their favourites.

 

[Bomber Bears]

Haddin is definately not choosing a good time to be out of form, thats for sure.

I'd keep him in the test side for now and put wade in the ODI team.

 

[BarneyBent]

Wouldn't mind a set-up of Paine in the T20s, Wade in the ODIs and Haddin in Tests. Paine has proven himself an effective T20 basher, but seems to get lost between aggression and caution, and can't really find that middle ground that is required for ODIs. Unfortunately, Haddin seems to have regressed into this category as well. Wade is a good 50 over batsman, knows his game well, and should slot in nicely.

As for Tests, neither Paine nor Wade can really push a strong claim to dislodge Haddin IMO. After a good Ashes series, Haddin deserves to stay. He's actually got quite a good technique, I'd like to see him shed the Gilly-like expectations, just take a defensive mindset and try to be a rock at 7. He's got the ability, so it would be interesting to see if he's mentally capable.

And it's no oversight that I haven't mentioned actual keeping ability. None of them are particularly fantastic, really it comes down to batting prowess.

 

[dan warna]

Wouldn't mind a set-up of Paine in the T20s, Wade in the ODIs and Haddin in Tests. Paine has proven himself an effective T20 basher, but seems to get lost between aggression and caution, and can't really find that middle ground that is required for ODIs. Unfortunately, Haddin seems to have regressed into this category as well. Wade is a good 50 over batsman, knows his game well, and should slot in nicely.

As for Tests, neither Paine nor Wade can really push a strong claim to dislodge Haddin IMO. After a good Ashes series, Haddin deserves to stay. He's actually got quite a good technique, I'd like to see him shed the Gilly-like expectations, just take a defensive mindset and try to be a rock at 7. He's got the ability, so it would be interesting to see if he's mentally capable.

for real? his batting was good, I think he averaged over 40, but dropped about 5 or 6 catches, and some really hurt.

I can't think of a test series where Gilly dropped as many as Haddin does regularly. Usually when gilly 'dropped' them, it was way out on the leg side and gilly was at full stretch and it tipped his gloves, haddin, well, drops bread and butter stuff.

His batting was made to look better than it was, because most of the rest of the team was crap.

Its about time we picked a wicket keeper, not some batsman who can put big gloves on.

I'd like wade, but I'd be happy with Paine, I think hartley is about 30 so is still young enough to be effective, and frankly is good keeper as well, but is about a 5 year option whereas paine and wade you have 10 plus years.

 

[adam1300]

Haddin at best has always been an average keeper and an attractive batsman that has never really gone any where. Why the selectors still persist with him specially with the age he is age now, when they are adopting this new youth policy.
Pain seems a good solid keeper batsman with far better keeping skills than haddin but not as flashy with the bat, which the selectors seem to like now days
Matty wade the last few years has been the bolter, opening the innings for the vics. Looks a good solid keeper and bats as well

 

[frankrizzo]

Haddin's solid until you remember he wears those gloves because he's in the side as a wicketkeeper then things get kinda blurred.

Solid bat but atrocious keeper.