Traded Brandon Starcevich - traded to West Coast as part of a 3-way trade with Brisbane and Fremantle

[Hasselhough]

Does this not cover it?

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Doesn't the FA period end before trade period finishes

 

[crankygeese]

Doesn't the FA period end before trade period finishes

Yes, FA signing period ends on the 10th, Trade Period ends on the 15th

 

[Maboo]

You went on about fans chest beating then claim 1000 points extra would mean nothing to brisbanes list management team.

Listen to your own advice.

I don’t remember mentioning the list management team, it was my take on ridiculous scenarios offered up by your pretend list management team.

 

[crankygeese]

Would be hilarious for lions to match and force a trade and then for the first time probably since Cameron have the PSD threat has zero leverage…. Also under this scenario no pick 2 compo….

So this will be for pick 19 as all other options have more downside for eagles.

I mean, I think the funniest outcome would be for the Lions to try and lowball Allen, triggering only Band 2 compo, only to see the Eagles match that bid and force the Lions into a trade for Allen, chewing up all their draft picks for matching purposes.

But that would also be something that just won't happen.

Though I dream of the melts it would cause on BF.

 

[Hasselhough]

I mean, I think the funniest outcome would be for the Lions to try and lowball Allen, triggering only Band 2 compo, only to see the Eagles match that bid and force the Lions into a trade for Allen, chewing up all their draft picks for matching purposes.

But that would also be something that just won't happen.

Though I dream of the melts it would cause on BF.

We have so much cap that if we didn't get band 1 we would match .

At that point lions would walk away i recon

 

[FreeAgent1]

I mean, I think the funniest outcome would be for the Lions to try and lowball Allen, triggering only Band 2 compo, only to see the Eagles match that bid and force the Lions into a trade for Allen, chewing up all their draft picks for matching purposes.

But that would also be something that just won't happen.

Though I dream of the melts it would cause on BF.

Allen staying with WCE after being essentially pushed out as the captain for pick 2 would be glorious!

 

[Mop]

There are so many different elements here that it is in everyone’s interest to play nicey nicey for mutually beneficial outcomes.

But nicey nicey is
A) subjective
B) no fun on BigFooty

The Lions need a key forward, they’re getting a very good one for free.

The Eagles need not high draft picks.

The Starcevich stuff is an annoying side quest I wish would disappear. I really like the dude, he’s hard as a cats head, but our list management seemingly can’t be saved from themselves.

 

[leighmo]

Keep up that was in relation to, and I am paraphrasing, take pick whatever or we bid on Annabel and it’s the PSD. So my reply is do your worst idk. And the PSD threat is old, tired and nothing but annual chest beating, I wonder what percentage of players that moved clubs were marched though the PSD, my guess would be less than 1%

So your saying there’s a chance!

 

[Daka]

Surely the AFL blocks any trade? The guy has had a lot of concussions... the hit on the weekend looked more like whiplash than fully connected hit.

he should stay at the Lions or get a compo payout due to retirement.

 

[blueiris]

Pick 33 is what its going to be which is still overs.

Its stilll insane to me Brisbane fans want a pick they wont even be allowed to use so badly.

We can trade into the future pick 33 for a champion dual premiership player shutdown defender is massive Bragin for the Weagles

 

[Maboo]

We can trade into the future pick 33 for a champion dual premiership player shutdown defender is massive Bragin for the Weagles

Wot

 

[leighmo]

Wot

“We can trade into the future draft, my good sir. Pick 33 for a shut down defender - and not just any shutdown defender but a dual premiership champion player - is an immensely favourable trade for the Weagles! Hmmpf!”

- blueiris

You’re welcome. I speak nuffy.

 

[Maboo]

“We can trade into the future draft, my good sir. Pick 33 for a shut down defender - and not just any shutdown defender but a dual premiership champion player - is an immensely favourable trade for the Weagles! Hmmpf!”

- blueiris

You’re welcome. I speak nuffy.

Haha thanks, that's gold

 

[jfn]

From Brisbane, Starcevich, Robertson, Tunstill, Torrent, Craven, (all WA boys) + 18 + 50 to WCE for picks 15 + 20 + Future pick 1.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Surely the AFL blocks any trade? The guy has had a lot of concussions... the hit on the weekend looked more like whiplash than fully connected hit.

he should stay at the Lions or get a compo payout due to retirement.

This

It feels a bit weird discussing the trade worth of a guy who will likely be retired by this time next month

 

[Elixuh]

From Brisbane, Starcevich, Robertson, Tunstill, Torrent, Craven, (all WA boys) + 18 + 50 to WCE for picks 15 + 20 + Future pick 1.

I actually think this is as close to fair value as one can get. I don’t think either club says no.

 

[Elixuh]

Surely the AFL blocks any trade? The guy has had a lot of concussions... the hit on the weekend looked more like whiplash than fully connected hit.

he should stay at the Lions or get a compo payout due to retirement.

If the medical panel tick him off there should be no issue.

There was an aflw player who was in the same boat and has never received another concussion. Hasnt Libba basically been one away from the same (Mofra )?

It’s a medically informed process.

 

[leighmo]

From Brisbane, Starcevich, Robertson, Tunstill, Torrent, Craven, (all WA boys) + 18 + 50 to WCE for picks 15 + 20 + Future pick 1.

Ok, jokes on this thread have gone too far…

 

[Tom14]

If the medical panel tick him off there should be no issue.

There was an aflw player who was in the same boat and has never received another concussion. Hasnt Libba basically been one away from the same (Mofra )?

It’s a medically informed process.

AFL blocking starce from getting a good contract would be an actual RESTRAINT OF TRADE.

 

[Tom14]

Ok, jokes on this thread have gone too far…

I agree. I demand 4 Hungry Jacks Franchises for the Lions as well.

 

[mpal6]

Technically, he is probably right. More accurately, he's describing a loophole. He's not describing it very well, but that loophole is correct.

What he's not mentioning is that the loophole in question hasn't been tested, and would be incredibly unlikely because Starc wouldn't use it. But it is Bigfooty, and we all love a PSD threat no matter how outlandish.

So Brisbane fans are saying:
1 - An offer to a Restricted Free Agent may be matched by their Club. Should their original Club match the offer, and the Restricted Free Agent Player does not wish to remain with their original Club, they must enter the National Draft or seek a trade.
They're absolutely right that if West Coast make an offer to Starcevich, who is RFA, during the Free Agency signing period, and Brisbane match the bid, then they force a trade or the National Draft. The thing is, the Free Agency signing period is October 3 to October 10, while the trade period runs until October 15.

But the incredibly unlikely loophole works as follows:
2 - West Coast won't make a Free Agent contract offer during the signing period, instead they'll go straight to negotiate a trade with Brisbane and will continue to negotiate all the way through October 10th without making a contract offer that can be matched by the Lions.
a - On October 11th, after the Free Agency period has closed, Starc is technically only Out of Contract. So the Eagles could offer him a contract between the 11th and 15th, and the Lions couldn't actually match that contract offer, because he wouldn't be a Free Agent at that point, he'd just be out of contract.
b - If the trade period then closed without a trade being struck, because the contract offer wasn't technically a free agent contract, and so a free agent offer wasn't actually matched, Starc would then revert to being Out of Contract if he refused Brisbane's offer, at which point, he could nominate for the PSD rather than the ND.

Now, you'll say "Starc wouldn't do that to the Lions, that would be an underhanded trick that would **** us over." I would 99.99% agree with you that Starc wouldn't do that. But it is still a loophole.
Brisbane would in all likelihood try to contest that loophole and say it wasn't in the spirit of the rules. The Lions would be mad not to contest such an occurrence. But, rules as written, it is allowed, and as we've seen in the past, the AFL allows loopholes so long as the rules are followed as they are written.

Two recent loopholes that I can think of are Brodie Grundy being traded to Sydney. Collingwood argued that they shouldn't be expected to pay the 30% share they agreed for the remainder of Grundy's contract as that was part of the trade with Melbourne. But the contract only said that they would pay 30% of his contract for the remainder, and there were no future termination clauses, so Collingwood are paying that 30% until 2027 because that's rules as written.

Another loophole was Joe Daniher's Free Agency signing. The Lions offered Daniher a massive contract over 3 years to trigger Band 1 compo for the Bombers, then 12 months later, they extended him for another 2 years on a lesser contract, so the effect over 5 years was that his average salary was lower. They were investigated, the AFL ticked it off, because rules as written compo was only calculated on age and average salary over the length of the contract. As a result, length of the contract is now a factor in free agency compensation bands.

Again, I think it is a snowflakes chance in hell that this is actually going to happen, that Starc will actually exploit this loophole and walk to the PSD, but rules as written, there is a way to get him to the PSD, rather than the ND, and the AFL has a history of allowing those loopholes to be exploited when they're discovered.

Thanks to Lore for the final piece, confirming that once the Free Agency Signing Period ends, this year that is the 10th of October, Starcevich stops being a Free Agent and reverts to being Out of Contract.

I still think the PSD is incredibly unlikely, but god I was getting sick of the back and forth about whether it was ND or PSD.Though I'm sure people won't read this.
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Interesting angle, but parking what Starcevich will do on the side - do we need player consent to lodge an offer? any offer for that matter? I know player has the right to reject at the end of the day.

If player consent isn't needed to "lodge" one then you can extrapolate another grey area - which is Brisbane asking "any" club out there to lodge an offer for Starcevich and just match it. Starcevich can reject it but RFA rules get triggered and he can go via national draft to West Coast if they're still keen and if he lasts till pick 19/20.

 

[Warhorse]

I heard he wants to stay with Brisbane

 

[Mop]

I heard he wants to stay with Brisbane

He may well do. A 3 peat is a special thing. Leaving that to go to a historically bad side is a bold choice

He is being paid to compensate though

 

[mpal6]

I heard he wants to stay with Brisbane

We'll gladly keep him. Always our first preference.

 

[GenericUsername202]

I heard he wants to stay with Brisbane

Can you blame him? The only reason to go from the best team to the shittest team in the league is if they offer you too much money that you couldn't refuse. Because he wouldn't win shit at the eagles.