Official Club Stuff BREAKING: Luke Sayers steps down effective immediately (Jan 22nd)!

[jpfalvo]

Cook will not sack the head coach before his tenure is up (ie end of 2024).

We are hearing Cook wont extend beyond his contract

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[Gointocarlton]

And here we are again, 18mths later.
Sack Voss, Keep Voss...

Eitherway, same constants...


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No. Cook, EOS.

 

[Gointocarlton]

We are hearing Cook wont extend beyond his contract

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Sorry? Forty3 said his mail is Cook wants to extend to 5 yrs.

 

[Bletch]

My mail is Fitzy is not interested in a board role. Things can change, but thats my mail

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Any mail of a board candidate with close association with AFL president?

 

[Dramoth]

First, hammer right on the head here.

Just quietly, I get a real feeling that Austin and Cook suspected this year might happen. It's not something you ever want to say publicly, especially considering how long we've been waiting already, but just how they're going about it.

Durability is the big one. We hit that in the draft by getting the best endurance runner in the draft range we had. Ollie may never be a superstar but he's a safe 150+ game player (Collison injuries permitting).

In Acres we also got a guy who is durable. Isn't the most skilled player in the team but you can be assured he's going to be there more often than not (Collison injuries permitting).

This isn't bad considering we have half a dozen players who really struggle to get on the park. In fact, despite being critical of Acres inconsistency with his kicking, it's exactly what we needed. I believe we smashed the rest of the draft with a rough Cowan, Binns and the flyer in Lemmey.

Next step in list management is jettisoning those who aren't durable and strengthening it with durable depth and landing two or three super skilful pacy runners who we'd hope would give us a half forward line and a boost elsewhere.

I do believe the list will have a night and day difference to it next year and we'll be thankful Austin went the safe route to begin with to give it a solid footing.


As for Forty3 post regarding differences of opinion with Voss I argue that's where the rumor of Dimma or someone similar coming into assist him will come.

I agree that Voss is vocal and I actually appreciate that. If he's going to fall it'll be doing it his way. Given our past this is a step in the right direction. Now when we stick by him and get him the help that he needs he'll be better positioned to implement the strengths of the assistants in the program.

On Cook, this is a huge positive. Not only does it signify that there is more work to be done to get the club where he wants it to be but it also signifies that he believes that the club will actually get there or has every opportunity to.

If you've ever been in management and knew something wasn't where it should be and had no confidence in it then you'd know how easy it is to walk away especially when you're his age. This screams the opposite. This screams rolling the sleeves up, digging in and doing the hard work that needs to be done.

This is what the club needs.

We gave Bolts the assistance he needed... until Neil Craig pissed off and they handed the job to Barker.

 

[Dramoth]

Playing devil's advocate, did you really think Fitzy was going to come out and say the board's in disarray and he wants to lead a ticket?

Now is not the time to invite any of that sort of speculation...

Fitzy isn't going to lead a ticket, but he would throw his weight behind a ticket if he thought that it would improve the backrooms of the club. And I seriously doubt he would throw his weight behind any ticket that Tom Elliott was pushing.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Cook will not sack the head coach before his tenure is up (ie end of 2024).

True, he's never been a part of that iinm... but at the same time, he didn't really have much influence on who we got. Pretty sure the other times he was much more involved in selection.

Anyway, I hope Voss doesn't get sacked.

 

[RPCB]

Would it surprise you? Maybe to an extent but ultimately, this is the action we're used to seeing from them.

Yes.

He has a year and a half left on his contract. How often does a head coach get sacked with that long left on his contract in this sport?

 

[BlueJet]

Mate, it's more of a commentary on how things are being said here, nobody's reputation is being tarnished here, do you think anyone actually takes notice of what people say here? Really? Have you read some of what gets said around here?

There is nothing that has been stated that remotely points to our Assistant coaches undermining Voss.
Rumours are routinely created on sites like this which people then take as gospel & frankly, there's no need.
If people want to make things up, there are fanfic sites for that.

 

[BigFrizz36]

My mail is Fitzy is not interested in a board role. Things can change, but thats my mail

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Your mail? Fitzy was interviewed and this was shown on most news networks last night talking in depth about the situation and whether he wants to get involved. Everyone who watched it has the actual "mail". Headlines were "Mike Fitzpatrick doesn't rule out being president".

You literally are claiming to have insight that every person that has the capability of watching the news has.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Voss and Cook are the ones that should know best what the issues are... and there are clearly issues.

A team doesn't lose its bundle in the manner we have unless there's some shite going on in the 'system'.

Up to Voss and Cook to find and implement a solution.

Pronto.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Fitzy isn't going to lead a ticket, but he would throw his weight behind a ticket if he thought that it would improve the backrooms of the club. And I seriously doubt he would throw his weight behind any ticket that Tom Elliott was pushing.

Tom Elliot to my understanding won't be pushing any tickets. It was only a suggestion by another poster.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Yes.

He has a year and a half left on his contract. How often does a head coach get sacked with that long left on his contract in this sport?

Not often at all... however, I wouldn't put it past this board to react that way. If we're heading into the bye after losing the next 3 games and sitting bottom 4 they might make that decision but hold off till end of season.

 

[HarryFlashman]

There is nothing that has been stated that remotely points to our Assistant coaches undermining Voss.
Rumours are routinely created on sites like this which people then take as gospel & frankly, there's no need.
If people want to make things up, there are fanfic sites for that.

Assistant coaches are also in a very very shit position - they cannot publicly go against the head coaches “line/message” whether they agree with him or not.
If they are making suggestions & they are not being heard/implemented they can’t do much about that either & then still cop the whack if that area is not performing.
That said they can also be shit at there job & not performing & the head coach cops the brunt of the whack for it.
They would be gunning for improvement & fast, they are tied to Voss & if he fails they fail with him to a large extent.

 

[RPCB]

Not often at all... however, I wouldn't put it past this board to react that way. If we're heading into the bye after losing the next 3 games and sitting bottom 4 they might make that decision but hold off till end of season.

I think the rest of 2023 is guaranteed for Voss but maybe not 2024. I guess, as you said, the decision will be made end of the year. That is my thought as well. Hopefully the boys can lift for Michael and the supporters.

 

[gab213]

There is nothing that has been stated that remotely points to our Assistant coaches undermining Voss.
Rumours are routinely created on sites like this which people then take as gospel & frankly, there's no need.
If people want to make things up, there are fanfic sites for that.

I literally quoted a post that asked whether it was possible that it was happening.

Here is the post I quoted;

Official Club Stuff - BREAKING: Luke Sayers steps down effective immediately (Jan 22nd)!

It's really easy Give us 3 names you want to replace Matho This is a fairly basic position, as it doesn't just come down to who is best for the board, it comes down to who wants to be on the board & then finding the best person or people from there. The question should not be who but what do...

www.bigfooty.com

windows1 had quoted Forty3 who mentioned that not all of the assistants were in agreement with Voss.

So, your assertion that nothing had been mentioned about assistants is false, if you had followed the quoted text back through a couple of people you would have known that was not accurate. I didn't raise the topic of assistants. I'm not going to go back and forward over an innocuous post, it will hardly lead to the downfall of the Carlton Football Club. Remember that most of what is posted here is rumour, opinion and speculation, this is a discussion forum, people will raise all sorts of topics and discuss them. If there was a problem with the content I posted I'm sure that the Moderators would have taken action and made me aware.

 

[El Topo]

Not a criticism here but just on Carlton Respects but rather something I thought was cool actually and commend the club on something positive during this rough run.

As I've posted before my partner works in DV. I found out last week that our Carlton Respects game (and the program itself) is genuinely considered a big event in.that industry - not just a 'cheap PR stunt' or 'social marketing stunt' that many have criticised it to be. It made her organisational newsletter. I haven't read it but she was so impressed by it.

It's not the first time that it's been featured at work and that details of how the program benefits state and national stakeholders is more significant than I (and I'm sure many others who have been critical) assumed.

So, in all seriousness, good work CFC during a time where the on field has been disappointing.

Real talk, no one would criticise the Carlton Respects initiative if we occasionally won the game of footy

 

[El Topo]

Good.

Cook is the only bloke in the entire organisation who’s a proven winner.

Give him the keys and get the * out of his way!

Wouldn't be the first "proven winner" to break their streak with the CFC

 

[Michael Jezz]

Can't wait for the next board member to improve our disposal

Yes but the board appoints the people, who are responsible for leadership, list management, coaching and fitness. This board needs to be replaced with more football IQ

 

[Beer n Skittles]

Yes but the board appoints the people, who are responsible for leadership, list management, coaching and fitness. This board needs to be replaced with more football IQ

Having a board that pretends they know anything about football is how you end up hiring a disinterested Mick Malthouse to 'chase a flag'.

The board hire specialists to conduct external reviews to make the best decisions re. all those things you mentioned. Their one actual job is to get their rich mates to spend money on the club, and this board does that really well.

 

[Arr0w]

Yes but the board appoints the people, who are responsible for leadership, list management, coaching and fitness. This board needs to be replaced with more football IQ

Ask yourself a couple of questions

If this board remains, what will they do to improve on field output, as in sack, back, hire coaches, list management, fitness staff. And who will they be, and are they willing to come

Or, we replace the board and we still have the same predicament as above

 

[Gointocarlton]

True, he's never been a part of that iinm... but at the same time, he didn't really have much influence on who we got. Pretty sure the other times he was much more involved in selection.

Anyway, I hope Voss doesn't get sacked.

If I recall correctly, Cook started a little earlier to allow him to interview and tick off the Voss appointment and was involved in the reviewing of assistants. I have great faith in the man.

 

[Michael Jezz]

Ask yourself a couple of questions

If this board remains, what will they do to improve on field output, as in sack, back, hire coaches, list management, fitness staff. And who will they be, and are they willing to come

Or, we replace the board and we still have the same predicament as above

Your position that the board is not accountable for appointments is absurd.
Generally, the people who get you into the shit will not get you out of it. For me that goes for the entire board

 

[Aphrodite]

We are hearing Cook wont extend beyond his contract

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We?




Not what Forty3 said yesterday.

Cook has expressed to the club that he would like to increase his stay from the original 3 years to 5 at a minimum.
He came to the club after the ‘external review’ took place, which in its findings decided that Lloyd and Liddle were doing a fantastic job, and it was only Teague that was at fault.. (absurd) and only 6 days before Voss was announced as coach. Once the decision making processes were all but done.
It will take time, unfortunately, for Cook to ultimately be able to make the changes and adjustments he wants. To call a for another review within the timeframe he’s been there so far, so soon upon the back of the last would of been impossible.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

If I recall correctly, Cook started a little earlier to allow him to interview and tick off the Voss appointment and was involved in the reviewing of assistants. I have great faith in the man.

Yeah it was only 6 days iirc, and he was calling Clarko in the meantime too...

I'm glad to hear that apparently he wants to extend his tenure, tells me he's invested in fixing this mess.

I've got no doubt that if he decides that we persist with Voss, then he'll be bringing in senior support for him going forward. I just hope the pressure doesn't get to the board and they decide to overrule him...