well if he did it will come out.
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Official Club Stuff BREAKING: Luke Sayers steps down effective immediately (Jan 22nd)!
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Pollies having a crack calling a businessman dishonest or a liar. Turn it the heck up cretins. A more lying, dishonest, despicable bunch of morons you will not find and they all assemble daily in parliament house (at great expense to the taxpayer).
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Don’t care whether he was or wasn’t. It’s in the past. I only care about the now and what he’s doing/done as president of our club. So far IMO he’s done well.
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He had two or three face to face meetings with an ATO Deputy Commissioner.... who then emailed him.
But Sergeant Schulz got him!
It's naive to think he didn't. If you've worked in any large corporate environment you know no major decisions are made by middle management. Any decision to share information in order to benefit larger clients over smaller clients (e.g. government) was made by the higher ups. He knew.
To think that this is even under consideration that he didn't know is a farce.
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I'll have to have a look at it more, but I can see how he could have plausible deniability.
Have the emails from the ATO been released?
No idea.
You clearly haven't dealt with the ATO. There is always two sides to a story.
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Have you ever worked in a Big 4? It is a very different environment to a run of the mill large corporate. It is more of a collective of small businesses or partner thiefdoms that are strung together under a common legal entity and governance model. There's no concept of middle management in these firms.
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Even easier then, the beaucracy would have been non-existent and his little fiefdoms as you describe would be reporting back and giving him and the rest of the exco visibility over the entire mess.
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Disagree. Around the time this scandal broke there was nearly 1000 partners in PwC Australia. They cover just about every service line imaginable. You can absolutely fault Sayers for getting the governance and culture wrong and bringing the wrong kinds of people into the partnership. But to me, it feels plausible he could have been oblivious to what was going on in this instance.
Trust me, as someone who spent time in the toxic Big 4 machine, I'm not going to defend it a great deal. Sayers has a lot to answer for what occurred under his watch, but I also think it's possible to give Sayers the benefit of the doubt in this specific instance.
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dealt with the ATO plenty....
Found guilty he likely moves on, it's that simple
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From someone who's worked in a similar environment, on the legal side, there is ZERO chance he wasn't all over this....
We're talking potential criminal charges for some, the destruction of careers, this is (and was) a big, big deal.
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Found guilty by who, the Senate enquiry committee? Mate they couldn't find water in Port Phillip Bay.
The old crooks line of "I do not recall"..Just go for the Area 51 defence.
We've seen that in recent times.
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I haven’t been keeping tabs on this story, but I don’t like the waft of shady business dealings flowing through the top level leadership of our club.
I wonder at what point Sayers says I’ll clear the room? Guilty or not it may have a detrimental impact on the club.
Obviously the way our club has been run for the last 2 years appears to be exceptional and I would not like to see that work undermined.
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I wonder at what point Sayers says I’ll clear the room? Guilty or not it may have a detrimental impact on the club.
Obviously the way our club has been run for the last 2 years appears to be exceptional and I would not like to see that work undermined.
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Sayers is a blue arsed Liar. That is consultancy culture at its best
Which was supposedly detrimental in hiring Voss
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You don't care what he's done? Are you serious? The best predictor of the future is the past.
The guy presided over a toxic culture as reported in their own investigation and you think that's OK?
This sort of attitude is why criminals get away with stuff and continue to commit further crimes.
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