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Poor move. Acted out of frustration. As a captain he needs to use his head more.
 
Having heard the extended version on the Inquisition - this is much, much worse than that single comment about Hansen and Wright makes it out to be. Surely the galling part for the youngsters would be his line 'as senior players we think we've held up our end of the bargain' - yeah, nah, Brent. You played a shocker in the west and you were ordinary against the Woods. He might have said it out of frustration but it was also a pretty obvious reflection of a man who doesn't want to admit he might be part of the problem.
 
Sedat! said:
It is hypocritical for anyone to be criticising Harvey's comments that are not casting a similarly negative light on Scott's and Brayshaw's.
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No, there is a massive difference between a coach criticizing a player/s publicly and the captain doing it. Massive.
 

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SweetLeftFoot said:
Rohan Connolly's take on it is interesting. I have plenty of respect for his opinions.
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Article spot on the money. We've had chairman and coach set public expectations for their young chargers, and now that the captain has followed suit all hell has supposedly broken loose behind closed doors at Arden St? Turn it up :rolleyes:
 
I certainly see nothing wrong with giving a generic 'the young players need to do more' type comment but don't like picking out 2 guys individually.

As for Boomer himself - think he needs to address what it is to be captain. This guy has played in flags already, enjoying both individual and team success over the years. However, it seems to me he is now desperate for another flag before the end and is frustrated the young players may not get him there.

I personally think he should re-assess his goals as captain. I think he needs to accept that he won't win another flag while he is still playing (although that doesn't mean you don't always have a crack). He has enjoyed premiership success himself and should now see his job as helping guide and nurture his young players so that they might be in a position to enjoy that success themselves in a few years, even if he isn't there to share that success with them. As it is, his comments don't appear to portray him that way, but rather as a bitter older player who isn't going to get a chance to re-live the glory days again.
 
Stamos said:
I didn't see the game, but the commentators on the ABC were very critical of Harvey's own game, while Connolly says he was North's best?
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Boomer wasn't great but we got done by 15 goals so he was hardly alone.

I was there for the whole hideous massacre and he was among our better players FWIW.
 
Sedat! said:
Article spot on the money. We've had chairman and coach set public expectations for their young chargers, and now that the captain has followed suit all hell has supposedly broken loose behind closed doors at Arden St? Turn it up :rolleyes:
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I used to hate it when Laidley bagged players in post match stuff but the captain is a different story. If it is a one off then it can work.

The fact is both Lachie Hansen and Sammy Wright were always considered better 'prospects' than Boomer. Lachie a 3 pick, Sammy Wright a second rounder. From memory Boomer went about 47ish and only got picked up because Pagan had a punt in him.

I can see how Boomer, who's always had to prove himself in the game - you know, being tiny - might get pissed off with blokes with talent to burn who he feels aren't putting in.

This is the thing about Boom. He's yappy on the field and gets up opposition fans noses. But he's a fierce trainer, keeps himself in magnificent physical condition and rarely gets beaten and even when he does, tends to bounce back very quickly. He gets beaten in one game - everyone jizzes over whoever tagged him - but then he comes back. He has bad games once or twice a year but he never loses form.

Tell you what, there's every chance that in 2013 when Lachie has kicked 70 for the season and were playing a prelim,. there'll be an interview where he says it was after that Collingwood game when Boomer had a dip at him that he finally realised what he needs to do to excel at this level.

If we have a crap run and Boomer keeps slagging players in the media, then we've got a problem. A one off after a loss like that given where the list and the club is, fair enough.
 
eldorado said:
Anyone else think this was the wrong thing to say publicly?


http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/110670/default.aspx


In a radio interview on ABC, a shattered Brent Harvey pointed the finger and named names, saying it was time for Sam Wright and Lachie Hansen to step up and show their potential.

"I think it is more our young guys not towing the line - the guys between 21-years and 25-years old - Sam Wright, Lachie Hansen - when are they going to step up?" Harvey said.

Just seeing if I'm out of step on this one, but I think this is an unforgivable thing to say publicly about one's team-mates
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I don't agree . This is professional sport , he was genuinly upset and north have been going on and on at either looking like world beaters, then next time looking like duds. A time comes when people in age bracketts that have them supposedly ready to show up and don,t, is a time when the generals need to tell them to put in.
I think Harvey is pretty brave in that, and he cannot be questioned about his commitment. So step up, you Roos that haven't been.
 
JoondalupJ said:
They mightn't have the guts. I know president Jeff would.
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President Jeff has shown conclusively throughout his tenure that he doesn't have the first clue about football. He wouldn't be able to do it, because he probably wouldn't be able to remember two players' names in that age bracket. I think the football department at Hawthorn would quite confidently disregard anything Jeff has to say about how the Hawks are performing onfield.
 

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What have North got to lose by having their captain come out publicly and lambasting players? I agree with Boomer and like him I was equally frustrated watching the tripe they dished up on Saturday. It's one thing to lose but to be uncompetitive is another.

Players have 10 years at this level so pissing away the first half of it is pointless. Yes Wright is only in his 3rd year...so what, What I saw were players in that age group who refused to chase or man up and while Rawlings may have played a bad game, the poor bugger was trying to man up 2 players at times becuase our younger blokes were flat footed 50 meters away. Boomer and rawlings are not going to get better so any improvment is going to come from the younger blokes and they are not putting their hands up. If that is the case, then prepared to be criticised.

I say, well done Harvey. Let's sort out the wheat from the chaff NOW.
 
We also dont know what instructions the players mentioned were given. Sammy Wright looked OK when he had the ball but I reckon they might have told him to be extra wary of his man running off which he did repeatedly. When you know that's Collingwood's strength to see a player not carry it out would be frustrating.
 
Bigeasy said:
What have North got to lose by having their captain come out publicly and lambasting players? I agree with Boomer and like him I was equally frustrated watching the tripe they dished up on Saturday. It's one thing to lose but to be uncompetitive is another.
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No problem naming blokes - but don't do it whilst causing an old V young divide when you protect older blokes who had shockers as well.

Should have said there are blokes who need to lift like Wright and Hansen and left it at that - however what he did was divisive.

Add to that he said he would tell the coaches he wouldn't play with them and his admission he wanted to hide on the field - isn't great from a captain IMO.
 
SweetLeftFoot said:
I used to hate it when Laidley bagged players in post match stuff but the captain is a different story. If it is a one off then it can work.

The fact is both Lachie Hansen and Sammy Wright were always considered better 'prospects' than Boomer. Lachie a 3 pick, Sammy Wright a second rounder. From memory Boomer went about 47ish and only got picked up because Pagan had a punt in him.

I can see how Boomer, who's always had to prove himself in the game - you know, being tiny - might get pissed off with blokes with talent to burn who he feels aren't putting in.

This is the thing about Boom. He's yappy on the field and gets up opposition fans noses. But he's a fierce trainer, keeps himself in magnificent physical condition and rarely gets beaten and even when he does, tends to bounce back very quickly. He gets beaten in one game - everyone jizzes over whoever tagged him - but then he comes back. He has bad games once or twice a year but he never loses form.

Tell you what, there's every chance that in 2013 when Lachie has kicked 70 for the season and were playing a prelim,. there'll be an interview where he says it was after that Collingwood game when Boomer had a dip at him that he finally realised what he needs to do to excel at this level.

If we have a crap run and Boomer keeps slagging players in the media, then we've got a problem. A one off after a loss like that given where the list and the club is, fair enough.
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What happens if Hansen kicks 70 goals for another club? And he's interviewed, and says "There was a toxic atmosphere at North, and it felt like a 'us vs them' attitude amongst the senior players."

Just as likely as your story.

If all it took for every wasted talent to finally fulfil their potential was a verbal spray, Nick Davis would still be playing for the Swans instead of eating KFC and playing for the Balmain Dockers in the Sydney Football League.
 

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legend166 said:
I don't think Harvey playing one poor game doesn't mean he can't criticise other players performances. It's just the way he said it and the fact he singled out two guys that's the problem.
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When you are going around saying that "we don't want to play with them", you have more of a foot to stand on when you yourself are in good form.
 
legend166 said:
I don't think Harvey playing one poor game doesn't mean he can't criticise other players performances. It's just the way he said it and the fact he singled out two guys that's the problem.
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Or the fact he said senior players had held up their end of the bargain.

Well, you didn't last week Brent.
 
..what's worse than publicly naming and shaming young players [especially considering the senior players weren't great and quite ordinary just the week before vs last years wooden spooners] is the whole "we'll go to the coach and tell them its us or them" [[paraphrased]].. ....last thing any new'ish coach wants is the core senior playing group publicly dictating terms..

..if there's repeats of player tension and captain's ego i'd be shocked.. ..i reckon it'll still happen but i think now it will be behind closed doors..if it's public again, i reckon 'boomer' will need to re-assess his captaincy style if not the captaincy itself..

..roo's have some decent youth, future of the club is there.. ..boomer and senior playing group need to stop being so selfish, shut up and truely lead the young players, not publicly bag them out..
 
Bigeasy said:
What have North got to lose by having their captain come out publicly and lambasting players? I agree with Boomer and like him I was equally frustrated watching the tripe they dished up on Saturday. It's one thing to lose but to be uncompetitive is another.

I say, well done Harvey. Let's sort out the wheat from the chaff NOW.
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You say well done to Harvery because he singled out some young players while defending Edwards who in all seriousness would be in the top bracket of useless footballers getting a game.

No doubt Sam and Lachie have heard his comments and depending on the type of people they are could really be adversely effected by it.... hopefully Harvey has a quick word to them, or else Brad Scott needs tap him on the shoulder.

I understand you can get hot under the collar after a game and with a journo pushing you for questions your better judgment may not be present but come one, your the Captain you will win games as a team and you will lose them as a team... dont single out players.

Easy way out.
 
legend166 said:
What happens if Hansen kicks 70 goals for another club? And he's interviewed, and says "There was a toxic atmosphere at North, and it felt like a 'us vs them' attitude amongst the senior players."

Just as likely as your story.

If all it took for every wasted talent to finally fulfil their potential was a verbal spray, Nick Davis would still be playing for the Swans instead of eating KFC and playing for the Balmain Dockers in the Sydney Football League.
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There is that risk.

But let's face facts. Boomer Harvey is a premiership player, captain of the club, has captained his country, won an EJ Whitten, all the time being the smallest player in what is a fairly rough and ready contact sport.

He's renowned for his training ethic. He's never been involved in drunken lairising and the like.

For a young footy player who is serious about getting the best out of himself, you'd struggle to find a better role model.

If Boomer is giving you a rocket, probably best to listen.

The whole thing leaves a sour taste in the mouth agreed, but so does getting flogged by 87 points.
 
SweetLeftFoot said:
There is that risk.

But let's face facts. Boomer Harvey is a premiership player, captain of the club, has captained his country, won an EJ Whitten, all the time being the smallest player in what is a fairly rough and ready contact sport.

He's renowned for his training ethic. He's never been involved in drunken lairising and the like.

For a young footy player who is serious about getting the best out of himself, you'd struggle to find a better role model.

If Boomer is giving you a rocket, probably best to listen.

The whole thing leaves a sour taste in the mouth agreed, but so does getting flogged by 87 points.
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So SLF, let me ask you this.

Are you happy with the last part of the interview, in which Harvey seems to indicate he thinks it would be his job to go to the coach and say "Scotty, me and the other senior guys think were doing whats required but <insert young player name> isnt in our view, so were refusing to play with him. Dont pick him or else."

OK by you?

I can understand being gutted on the day and speaking with raw emotion, being uncompromising, wanting to be better. I can even understand wanting to give a kick up the backside and naming names under pressure.

I cannot get the attitude thats required to make this seem reasonable - to even think it let alone speak it, emotion or not. I reacted so much to that statement because for me it was an outward sign of a malaise that usually signals major problems - a sense of entitlement amongst the senior playing group and separation from their younger teammates. And not something you can blame on the situation - that sort of thing doesnt just pop into your head under unless you think that way 24/7, and if you think that way, as a captain of a team, that is not a good sign.
 

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