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Re: Respect for brett ratten
LOST IT! has to go.
LOST IT! has to go.
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I've never been a hater of Ratten, in fact i've supported him the whole time even though there were always question marks on him. I wanted to give him a chance, learn the coaching caper and turn our side into a flag winning dynasty.
Well must be said it's not happening. Players are not playing with any confidence at all bar Henderson. We need to make some tough decisions this year. we still have the nucleus to win the flag, imo these players are non negotiable MUST stays at our club:
Judd, Murphy, Henderson, Jamison, Yarran, Carrazzo, Laidler, Betts, Walker & Simpson.
The rest I would be open to shopping them around. Obviously not all of them at the same time, but there are some that still may attract a lot of interest and we can get something better in return.
Gibbs is the one for me that will definitely attract interest. I'm hoping that gws offer him something and he goes. I've had it, I can't put up with that shit anymore, the guy does not step up when things aren't going well and lead his team in any way. And there were heaps of people who were saying he could be our captain! Lol the only thing he would make a good captain of is a bunch of boy scouts roasting marshmallows in front of a camp fire.
The AFL can give us our 2 first round DPs for him and we can cash in this year's megadraft and gets some real tough, hard at it players with decent foot skills and footy smarts.
Out of our 3 ruckmen it is likely one of them will go. Warnock seems to be the most likely but if he does go then Hammer and Kruze are going to feel even safer about their spot in our 22.
I'd say Ratts' time is up, he's proven he can't deliver and it's not just because of the losses but HOW we are losing. Nothing's changed most of our losses have been when teams go hard at it and we can't keep up. There's a reason we haven't beaten the Hawks for so many years. This outside game style is just not going to cut it and not only that, the team has come out flat for the past 5 games. It's his job to ensure they are fired up and ready to go and he hasn't been able to inspire his charges for 5 weeks now and it looks likely to cost us a top 4 spot.
Russell, Joseph, Bower, Thornton & Touhy will also struggle to remain at the club.
I've never been a hater of Ratten, in fact i've supported him the whole time even though there were always question marks on him. I wanted to give him a chance, learn the coaching caper and turn our side into a flag winning dynasty.
Well must be said it's not happening. Players are not playing with any confidence at all bar Henderson. We need to make some tough decisions this year. we still have the nucleus to win the flag, imo these players are non negotiable MUST stays at our club:
Judd, Murphy, Henderson, Jamison, Yarran, Carrazzo, Laidler, Betts, Walker & Simpson.
The rest I would be open to shopping them around. Obviously not all of them at the same time, but there are some that still may attract a lot of interest and we can get something better in return.
Gibbs is the one for me that will definitely attract interest. I'm hoping that gws offer him something and he goes. I've had it, I can't put up with that shit anymore, the guy does not step up when things aren't going well and lead his team in any way. And there were heaps of people who were saying he could be our captain! Lol the only thing he would make a good captain of is a bunch of boy scouts roasting marshmallows in front of a camp fire.
The AFL can give us our 2 first round DPs for him and we can cash in this year's megadraft and gets some real tough, hard at it players with decent foot skills and footy smarts.
Out of our 3 ruckmen it is likely one of them will go. Warnock seems to be the most likely but if he does go then Hammer and Kruze are going to feel even safer about their spot in our 22.
I'd say Ratts' time is up, he's proven he can't deliver and it's not just because of the losses but HOW we are losing. Nothing's changed most of our losses have been when teams go hard at it and we can't keep up. There's a reason we haven't beaten the Hawks for so many years. This outside game style is just not going to cut it and not only that, the team has come out flat for the past 5 games. It's his job to ensure they are fired up and ready to go and he hasn't been able to inspire his charges for 5 weeks now and it looks likely to cost us a top 4 spot.
Russell, Joseph, Bower, Thornton & Touhy will also struggle to remain at the club.
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The two year extension on his contract may have been one too many. On the other hand I suppose it would have been like putting a loaded gun to his head if it were only renewed for 12 months. Perhaps it makes a Malthouse appointment in 2013 look less cynical.
Dunno, just thinking out loud.
The two year extension on his contract may have been one too many. On the other hand I suppose it would have been like putting a loaded gun to his head if it were only renewed for 12 months. Perhaps it makes a Malthouse appointment in 2013 look less cynical.
Dunno, just thinking out loud.
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Geez... why am I not surprised to see BRIB in here bagging the coach and not the players.
Never shows up when we are winning, but as soon as we lose... he is in there with the slipper as quick as you like saying Sack Ratts, he's useless.
Geez... why am I not surprised to see BRIB in here bagging the coach and not the players.
Never shows up when we are winning, but as soon as we lose... he is in there with the slipper as quick as you like saying Sack Ratts, he's useless.
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Not trolling here guys. Just came back from the game as an observer. I had seats in front of Ratten's coaches box in the Medallion club. I thought Ratten was completely outcoached by a first year coach in Brenton Sanderson. I said it last week, and I'll say it again tonight. Carlton have got no structure at all. How many times did they kick the ball into F50 today for the ball to be easily brought out by the Crows, most of the time for a Crows score? Too many. They need to trade for a full forward.
R. Sloane and Scott Thompson were the main men, Ratten just didn't seem to put tags on them at all, they killed Carlton out of the stoppages all day.
Having Yarran as the sub, as I was driving into the game, I heard this news on SEN, and thought, that's gonna cost them already! And I was right. How much of a change did Yarran make as soon as he come on after half time? Straight away he gave them run.
In the last quarter, the Crows looked fit enough to go around for another 4 quarters, where as Carlton's players looked spent, as they were coming off the ground. Kreuzer looks like he needs a rest.
I wish you all the best guys, but I was wrong thinking you guys were a darky for the flag. Good luck boys!
Not trolling here guys. Just came back from the game as an observer. I had seats in front of Ratten's coaches box in the Medallion club. I thought Ratten was completely outcoached by a first year coach in Brenton Sanderson. I said it last week, and I'll say it again tonight. Carlton have got no structure at all. How many times did they kick the ball into F50 today for the ball to be easily brought out by the Crows, most of the time for a Crows score? Too many. They need to trade for a full forward.
R. Sloane and Scott Thompson were the main men, Ratten just didn't seem to put tags on them at all, they killed Carlton out of the stoppages all day.
Having Yarran as the sub, as I was driving into the game, I heard this news on SEN, and thought, that's gonna cost them already! And I was right. How much of a change did Yarran make as soon as he come on after half time? Straight away he gave them run.
In the last quarter, the Crows looked fit enough to go around for another 4 quarters, where as Carlton's players looked spent, as they were coming off the ground. Kreuzer looks like he needs a rest.
I wish you all the best guys, but I was wrong thinking you guys were a darky for the flag. Good luck boys!
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It is clear that the players dont like him.They dont wanna play for him just like collingwood players hate buckley and dont wanna play for him(see anzac day and friday night-)Ratts needs to be sacked immediately
...You are silly if you think brett ratten needs to be sacked,he clearly bleeds carlton blood and was a champion player.He is doing the best he can.Look at the players for once,not the coach.
It is clear that the players dont like him.They dont wanna play for him just like collingwood players hate buckley and dont wanna play for him(see anzac day and friday night-)Ratts needs to be sacked immediately
...You are silly if you think brett ratten needs to be sacked,he clearly bleeds carlton blood and was a champion player.He is doing the best he can.Look at the players for once,not the coach.
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I post all the time think we have a top 2 list but unless something changes will be wasted year.
Players have issues but game plan is out dated and try listening to any of they myriad of expert commentators who are stating the same thing.
As stated our press is out dated and needs to be amended, I for one am praying ratten can fix it, he was one of my fav players, but he seems to be struggling.
Even last year we under achieved only beating 8 th in a final.
I post all the time think we have a top 2 list but unless something changes will be wasted year.
Players have issues but game plan is out dated and try listening to any of they myriad of expert commentators who are stating the same thing.
As stated our press is out dated and needs to be amended, I for one am praying ratten can fix it, he was one of my fav players, but he seems to be struggling.
Even last year we under achieved only beating 8 th in a final.
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We most certainly do not. The coach can't get out there and do it for them. Premiership teams generally have very few players who are a long, long way off the level, usually none I would say. We have at least 5, and more like 10 based just on the last few weeks.
Having said that, I remain unconcinced Ratts has the nous to take us to our next flag. Was at the game so didn't see any footage, but were there any shots today of him with his head hung ala Richmond in round 1 when they were making their run? Don't see too many other coaches with that kind of body language, ditto when we're up and going and he's barracking like he's in the cheer squad. Just a bad look, seems unprofessional.
We most certainly do not. The coach can't get out there and do it for them. Premiership teams generally have very few players who are a long, long way off the level, usually none I would say. We have at least 5, and more like 10 based just on the last few weeks.
Having said that, I remain unconcinced Ratts has the nous to take us to our next flag. Was at the game so didn't see any footage, but were there any shots today of him with his head hung ala Richmond in round 1 when they were making their run? Don't see too many other coaches with that kind of body language, ditto when we're up and going and he's barracking like he's in the cheer squad. Just a bad look, seems unprofessional.
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In hindsight it was probably not the right decision but I could see what they were trying to do by letting him come back from injury by injecting him into the game once the pace is starting to go out of the game. ..
We tried to rest him a couple of weeks ago before Nocka got injured. .. The media made a mockery of it but today showed that he needed the rest. ..
In hindsight it was probably not the right decision but I could see what they were trying to do by letting him come back from injury by injecting him into the game once the pace is starting to go out of the game. ..
We tried to rest him a couple of weeks ago before Nocka got injured. .. The media made a mockery of it but today showed that he needed the rest. ..
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The football club pretty much said it was top 4 or bust this year.
I know it's a long season and things can change, but it looks more than likely that it will be bust as their are so many better teams than us right now.
If we don't improve on last yr (i.e finish top 4), does that mean Ratten is gone?
The football club pretty much said it was top 4 or bust this year.
I know it's a long season and things can change, but it looks more than likely that it will be bust as their are so many better teams than us right now.
If we don't improve on last yr (i.e finish top 4), does that mean Ratten is gone?
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ratten talks too much why cant he just shut the f.... up and let the actions do the talking.structure this and kpi that and were learning from geelong resting players with an eye to september and were going for top 4,it never ends,not to mention the weekly broadcast on what hes thinking.
sorry but i just cant respect that sort of amateur hour stuff and neither do non carlton people.just ask yourself what club would chase ratten as coach?i can confidently answer none
ratten talks too much why cant he just shut the f.... up and let the actions do the talking.structure this and kpi that and were learning from geelong resting players with an eye to september and were going for top 4,it never ends,not to mention the weekly broadcast on what hes thinking.
sorry but i just cant respect that sort of amateur hour stuff and neither do non carlton people.just ask yourself what club would chase ratten as coach?i can confidently answer none
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Failure to make a preliminary final shouldn't necessarily mean the end, however missing the 8 or a 1st round final's exit will make it a hard sell to keep him. That said, showing Ratts the door would only make sense if there was a worthy replacement available and willing to take on the role.
Failure to make a preliminary final shouldn't necessarily mean the end, however missing the 8 or a 1st round final's exit will make it a hard sell to keep him. That said, showing Ratts the door would only make sense if there was a worthy replacement available and willing to take on the role.
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We finished 5th last year and have a young side and most commentators and the club expect us to finish top 4.
We finished 5th last year and have a young side and most commentators and the club expect us to finish top 4.
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I don't know if anyone else has noticed it but what is with Ratten explaining our full game plan off to the media. When he is asked a question he goes all out answering it. He may not have a plan B for our club but may well for his coaching career - hey look at me I know my stats and I'm executing a great game plan, which proceeded to flop at Etihad but I still know who is playing well for the opposition and they need to be stopped by... and it goes on.
I gave him benefit of the doubt until this week. And seeing how he has deflected the blame of lackluster strategies onto the team just makes me think I was onto something with his own personal Plan B. Now, I'm not saying the players weren't blameless but at the end of the day the buck stops with the coach and its not good enough for him to say that the team were playing as individuals. It was a very "individual" remark to make and makes you wonder where the team may be getting their inspiration.
I don't know if anyone else has noticed it but what is with Ratten explaining our full game plan off to the media. When he is asked a question he goes all out answering it. He may not have a plan B for our club but may well for his coaching career - hey look at me I know my stats and I'm executing a great game plan, which proceeded to flop at Etihad but I still know who is playing well for the opposition and they need to be stopped by... and it goes on.
I gave him benefit of the doubt until this week. And seeing how he has deflected the blame of lackluster strategies onto the team just makes me think I was onto something with his own personal Plan B. Now, I'm not saying the players weren't blameless but at the end of the day the buck stops with the coach and its not good enough for him to say that the team were playing as individuals. It was a very "individual" remark to make and makes you wonder where the team may be getting their inspiration.
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And? Expecting it doesn't make it so. Robbo flat out tipped us to win the flag at season's start, I would guess he doesn't think that anymore. Likewise I would think plenty who had us as top 4 certs would currently be re-evaluating that tip.
Re: finishing 5th last year, again, so what? Bulldogs finished 3rd or 4th for 3 years straight.
And? Expecting it doesn't make it so. Robbo flat out tipped us to win the flag at season's start, I would guess he doesn't think that anymore. Likewise I would think plenty who had us as top 4 certs would currently be re-evaluating that tip.
Re: finishing 5th last year, again, so what? Bulldogs finished 3rd or 4th for 3 years straight.
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Not sure what your point is.
I am merely stating the expectation for our list is min top 4, we deliver less and its bye bye Ratts as it should be.
Not sure what your point is.
I am merely stating the expectation for our list is min top 4, we deliver less and its bye bye Ratts as it should be.
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Ive been ambivelent on the Ratten issue for some time. Was happy to let him grow into the role, and was happy as long as the team continued to progress.
For mine, this is his big test. The performances over the past month need to be adressed. There are structural issues that need to be fixed, and the team simply isnt gelling as a team (he even admitted as much).
He (and the rest of the coaching team) need to fix those structural issues, instill a bit of mongel in the side, and get the boys playing as a team.
It aint harsh. Thats his (and the other coaches) Job.
I dont care how he does it, but if he cant sort it out, im over him.
Ive been ambivelent on the Ratten issue for some time. Was happy to let him grow into the role, and was happy as long as the team continued to progress.
For mine, this is his big test. The performances over the past month need to be adressed. There are structural issues that need to be fixed, and the team simply isnt gelling as a team (he even admitted as much).
He (and the rest of the coaching team) need to fix those structural issues, instill a bit of mongel in the side, and get the boys playing as a team.
It aint harsh. Thats his (and the other coaches) Job.
I dont care how he does it, but if he cant sort it out, im over him.
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If we're sacking Ratten, who's the replacement?
How long will it take the next coach to implement a game plan that the players adapt to, or will our list be too old by the time they adapt?
If we're sacking Ratten, who's the replacement?
How long will it take the next coach to implement a game plan that the players adapt to, or will our list be too old by the time they adapt?
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Honestly, I don't think the Carlton football club are brave enough to ditch Rats. Sticks is too matey with him. This is Rats' 5th year and has been handed a bevy of high draft picks and Chris Judd and we are still searching for answers, not looking like a threat.
If Rats were to go I would love to see Roos appointed, you can tell he loves looking at the game from a coaching point of view still and I enjoy him breaking down some of our issues at the moment. Proven coach, coming from a great culture up at Syd. Knows how to get the best out of recycled players. Can only dream.
Honestly, I don't think the Carlton football club are brave enough to ditch Rats. Sticks is too matey with him. This is Rats' 5th year and has been handed a bevy of high draft picks and Chris Judd and we are still searching for answers, not looking like a threat.
If Rats were to go I would love to see Roos appointed, you can tell he loves looking at the game from a coaching point of view still and I enjoy him breaking down some of our issues at the moment. Proven coach, coming from a great culture up at Syd. Knows how to get the best out of recycled players. Can only dream.
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At this point in the season - Sanderson potentially answers that
BUT one of the mega experienced should be seamless
At this point in the season - Sanderson potentially answers that
BUT one of the mega experienced should be seamless
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The Club was close to ditching Ratt's last year - but he won the final and that was his aim
For mine, don't necessary think sacking a coach will necessarily improve a team. Really need to see what's out there before you sack a coach.
Against Collingwood we were up and firing, and that's under Ratts. Since then two things have happened - clubs are suffocating us at the stoppages, and the players have lacked real intensity at times.
That shows that both the club & players need to lift. Rohan Connelly wrote a good article this morning, saying that the Blues currently lack the mental toughness of a premiership threat, like Geelong. It takes more than talent to win a premiership, it takes mental toughness.
I'm not into sacking Ratts yet, by any means, but will watch the next two months closely. If the players' intensity returns & we're still losing, then Ratt's days will almost be numbered, if the players who are earning $250,000 don't show intensity, then ...
The Club was close to ditching Ratt's last year - but he won the final and that was his aim
For mine, don't necessary think sacking a coach will necessarily improve a team. Really need to see what's out there before you sack a coach.
Against Collingwood we were up and firing, and that's under Ratts. Since then two things have happened - clubs are suffocating us at the stoppages, and the players have lacked real intensity at times.
That shows that both the club & players need to lift. Rohan Connelly wrote a good article this morning, saying that the Blues currently lack the mental toughness of a premiership threat, like Geelong. It takes more than talent to win a premiership, it takes mental toughness.
I'm not into sacking Ratts yet, by any means, but will watch the next two months closely. If the players' intensity returns & we're still losing, then Ratt's days will almost be numbered, if the players who are earning $250,000 don't show intensity, then ...
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