Mega Thread Brett Ratten

[thylacine60]

Well you seem to have no issues with ratten the players or our performance so that is the only conclusion.

I would like to see you list some negatives explaining our poor season.

This place really doesn't need another you.

 

[multigrain]

I've heard there are some people destabilising our club at the moment. I'm thinking these people have been lying in wait for the first sign of a form reversal. I've heard the stability of the last 4 years has been killing these people & they have a lot of pent up frustration to release. I'm wondering if perhaps Lauraine Diggins is in our midst again.

We’ve lost 5 of our last 6 matches and we’ll be sitting 10th on the ladder after rounds end. I don’t know what the first sign of form reversal means, but I would describe this situation as a disaster. Sure, our last 4 years have been quite stable (except Fev), but 2011 was still a disappointment. Losses to West Coast (r14) and Bulldogs (r16) still leave a sour taste. We did not beat a top 4 team in 6 separate matches. Fans are in their right to question the Football Department considering our current squad.

 

[GoBlues!]

Something i have heard is that the assistants often give their opinions during games and Ratten ignores their advice, he doesnt listen to anyone.

Not sure how true this is but I think Ratten and the team might be better served if he sat in the coaches box during games, rather than on the boundary fist pumping and getting caught up in the emotion of the game.

Not only would he have a better perspective of the game and what's going on, I think he would be in a better position to process the input of all the assistant/specialist coaches especially if there are differing views between the assistants as to what adjustments need to be made.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

Not sure how true this is but I think Ratten and the team might be better served if he sat in the coaches box during games, rather than on the boundary fist pumping and getting caught up in the emotion of the game.

Not only would he have a better perspective of the game and what's going on, I think he would be in a better position to process the input of all the assistant/specialist coaches especially if there are differing views between the assistants as to what adjustments need to be made.

Team may be better served by Ratten sitting in the stands with us and getting someone else to coach !

 

[KnobHead]

It's the mentality of someone who works in the public service where performance doesn't matter and you have your job for life as long as you show up.

Dude, to put Malthouse in would be the way the public service does things - a knee jerk reaction to a short period of disappointment with no audit or detailed thought of why the Blues aren't in the position they were last year, with no thought of how other clubs are doing things & why that may have put us in a less competitive position.

If you were running a business & Rattan was coach, then we've had 5 years of growth. At the moment it's not happening how we want, but the sky ain't falling in and we could pick up. Smart businesses wouldn't shoot the coach after one disappointing financial quarter or year. Also, a smart business would almost definitely not put someone in who won only one premiership in 12 years at Collingwood which has great administration off the field (eddie's done a great job). They'd see what suits their business best, then do a few interviews, etc

Never run a business on knee-jerk reaction & perception, it'll fail, unless you're a rich private school kid whose daddy gives you all the cash you want to keep it running (which actually hides the failure doesn't address it), or unless you're a hot babe with a sugar daddy.

Am more than happy to have a professional audit of the club at the year's end, evaluating Carlton versus the top clubs on player list, coaching, off-field administration. Then deciding what needs to be done.

 

[Claypigeon]

Am more than happy to have a professional audit of the club at the year's end, evaluating Carlton versus the top clubs on player list, coaching, off-field administration. Then deciding what needs to be done.

This. .. the solid successful clubs don't rush into administrative decision, much like the strong businesses don't . .. Too many in here are leading an emotive or deliberate response, some need to take a step back and think others should step back, turn around and walk away. ..

 

[The Coach]

This. .. the solid successful clubs don't rush into administrative decision, much like the strong businesses don't . .. Too many in here are leading an emotive or deliberate response, some need to take a step back and think others should step back, turn around and walk away. ..

Apart from auditing himself, the CEO should already be doing this on a monthly if not weekly basis. Not beginning the process until the end of the season is the opposite of rushing and produces results like Voss being reaffirmed at Brisbane because it is too late to do much else

 

[Danny_Bhoy]

I've always backed Ratten because of the constant improvement in the squad and ladder position.However after 5 years we've gone from 11th in 08' to this year looking to miss the 8 and probably finish 10th going by my AFL ladder predictor. So in 5 years what ground have we made? We're not developing younger players as well as the other teams, and we're still giving guys a game who are simply no at the level required. Ratten is an unproven coach and is not deserving of anymore time at the helm.

The sooner Malthouse signs on, the sooner the premiership chances will come. At seasons end (earlier if he can exit his media commitments) sign him up and he can start cutting of the the baggage and produce an actual game plan based on team structures and roles which doesn't just leave the work to the minority of our better players. He can go trade for some players he needs and draft the players he wants. This man will shoot our club membership past 50,000 as well, I'd guarantee it. You won't see Mick screaming "BALL!" on the boundary line when Robinson makes a tackle (slight exaggeration), but Mick will actually coach the team not be a supporter on the sidelines.

This isn't an over reaction to this seasons performance. Our team is very capable of winning a premiership but the players lack heart especially over the last month which tells me they've either lost desire to win for Ratten or something else is seriously plaguing them. I'l probably get a lot of flack for this but i just think it needs to be done, it feels to stale, there's nothing really invigorating or exciting bar solo brilliant performances by players. Mick will be able to nurture and develop our new young breed of Bootsma, Watson, Lucas, Tuohy, Mitchell etc whilst still putting up winning performances and lead us to a decade of winning years.

Ratten 08' 09' 10' 11' 12 = 11th, 7th, 8th, 5th, 10th
Malthouse 13' - onwards = Carlton Premierships

 

[Madblue]

I've always backed Ratten because of the constant improvement in the squad and ladder position.However after 5 years we've gone from 11th in 08' to this year looking to miss the 8 and probably finish 10th going by my AFL ladder predictor. So in 5 years what ground have we made? We're not developing younger players as well as the other teams, and we're still giving guys a game who are simply no at the level required. Ratten is an unproven coach and is not deserving of anymore time at the helm.

The sooner Malthouse signs on, the sooner the premiership chances will come. At seasons end (earlier if he can exit his media commitments) sign him up and he can start cutting of the the baggage and produce an actual game plan based on team structures and roles which doesn't just leave the work to the minority of our better players. He can go trade for some players he needs and draft the players he wants. This man will shoot our club membership past 50,000 as well, I'd guarantee it. You won't see Mick screaming "BALL!" on the boundary line when Robinson makes a tackle (slight exaggeration), but Mick will actually coach the team not be a supporter on the sidelines.

This isn't an over reaction to this seasons performance. Our team is very capable of winning a premiership but the players lack heart especially over the last month which tells me they've either lost desire to win for Ratten or something else is seriously plaguing them. I'l probably get a lot of flack for this but i just think it needs to be done, it feels to stale, there's nothing really invigorating or exciting bar solo brilliant performances by players. Mick will be able to nurture and develop our new young breed of Bootsma, Watson, Lucas, Tuohy, Mitchell etc whilst still putting up winning performances and lead us to a decade of winning years.

Ratten 08' 09' 10' 11' 12 = 11th, 7th, 8th, 5th, 10th
Malthouse 13' - onwards = Carlton Premierships

Spot on !

 

[Azul]

We’ve lost 5 of our last 6 matches and we’ll be sitting 10th on the ladder after rounds end. I don’t know what the first sign of form reversal means, but I would describe this situation as a disaster.

Good for you.

Mathematically, the race for 8th on the ladder is wide open. Fremantle, Richmond and St Kilda are hardly consistent performers.

Get Waite and Murphy back by August, play them into form and suddenly we're in with a chance to sneak into the finals and cause some serious damage.

But yeah, sakc Ratts anyway.

 

[mediumsizered]

I've always backed Ratten because of the constant improvement in the squad and ladder position.However after 5 years we've gone from 11th in 08' to this year looking to miss the 8 and probably finish 10th going by my AFL ladder predictor. So in 5 years what ground have we made? We're not developing younger players as well as the other teams, and we're still giving guys a game who are simply no at the level required. Ratten is an unproven coach and is not deserving of anymore time at the helm.

The sooner Malthouse signs on, the sooner the premiership chances will come. At seasons end (earlier if he can exit his media commitments) sign him up and he can start cutting of the the baggage and produce an actual game plan based on team structures and roles which doesn't just leave the work to the minority of our better players. He can go trade for some players he needs and draft the players he wants. This man will shoot our club membership past 50,000 as well, I'd guarantee it. You won't see Mick screaming "BALL!" on the boundary line when Robinson makes a tackle (slight exaggeration), but Mick will actually coach the team not be a supporter on the sidelines.

This isn't an over reaction to this seasons performance. Our team is very capable of winning a premiership but the players lack heart especially over the last month which tells me they've either lost desire to win for Ratten or something else is seriously plaguing them. I'l probably get a lot of flack for this but i just think it needs to be done, it feels to stale, there's nothing really invigorating or exciting bar solo brilliant performances by players. Mick will be able to nurture and develop our new young breed of Bootsma, Watson, Lucas, Tuohy, Mitchell etc whilst still putting up winning performances and lead us to a decade of winning years.

Ratten 08' 09' 10' 11' 12 = 11th, 7th, 8th, 5th, 10th
Malthouse 13' - onwards = Carlton Premierships

So appointing Malthouse for 2013 will automatically overcome the need for 2 strong bodied KP forwards (apparently they are what we need to progress any further), will heal Waite's back injury, will stop Kreuzer's knee from swelling badly each week, will suddenly see Ellard, Armfield, Curnow, Collins etc become more than good honest scrappers.

I just hope those who assume Malthouse is the answer (what happened to the accusations of lack of due diligence in the appointment of Ratts as coach, or doesn't this matter because Malthouse is the second coming) are happy to wait 11 seasons & a return to the bottom end of the ladder to get that elusive 17th premiership. Malthouse may have taken Collingwood to 2 GFs early in his coaching stint at Feral Park, but he had to return to the well to ultimately achieve premiership success, despite having access to massive Football Department spending, state of the art facilities & a fixture better than any other team in the competition.

People forget that Malthouse coached potentially the best Footscray list of our time & failed to deliver a premiership. Coached a WA state of origin team to 2 premierships (Matthews & Thompson won 3 respectively with less talent than Malthouse had at the Eagles) & was considered to be inferior to Nathan Buckley at Collingwood. If he was so bloody good, he would still be coaching Collingwood.

 

[Madblue]

So appointing Malthouse for 2013 will automatically overcome the need for 2 strong bodied KP forwards (apparently they are what we need to progress any further), will heal Waite's back injury, will stop Kreuzer's knee from swelling badly each week, will suddenly see Ellard, Armfield, Curnow, Collins etc become more than good honest scrappers.

I just hope those who assume Malthouse is the answer (what happened to the accusations of lack of due diligence in the appointment of Ratts as coach, or doesn't this matter because Malthouse is the second coming) are happy to wait 11 seasons & a return to the bottom end of the ladder to get that elusive 17th premiership. Malthouse may have taken Collingwood to 2 GFs early in his coaching stint at Feral Park, but he had to return to the well to ultimately achieve premiership success, despite having access to massive Football Department spending, state of the art facilities & a fixture better than any other team in the competition.

People forget that Malthouse coached potentially the best Footscray list of our time & failed to deliver a premiership. Coached a WA state of origin team to 2 premierships (Matthews & Thompson won 3 respectively with less talent than Malthouse had at the Eagles) & was considered to be inferior to Nathan Buckley at Collingwood. If he was so bloody good, he would still be coaching Collingwood.

Well put it this way.....Malthouse couldn't be any worse than Ratten !

 

[thylacine60]

Well put it this way.....Malthouse couldn't be any worse than Ratten !

Great reason for change.

 

[Aphrodite]

I've always backed Ratten because of the constant improvement in the squad and ladder position.However after 5 years we've gone from 11th in 08' to this year looking to miss the 8 and probably finish 10th going by my AFL ladder predictor. So in 5 years what ground have we made? We're not developing younger players as well as the other teams, and we're still giving guys a game who are simply no at the level required. Ratten is an unproven coach and is not deserving of anymore time at the helm.

The sooner Malthouse signs on, the sooner the premiership chances will come. At seasons end (earlier if he can exit his media commitments) sign him up and he can start cutting of the the baggage and produce an actual game plan based on team structures and roles which doesn't just leave the work to the minority of our better players. He can go trade for some players he needs and draft the players he wants. This man will shoot our club membership past 50,000 as well, I'd guarantee it. You won't see Mick screaming "BALL!" on the boundary line when Robinson makes a tackle (slight exaggeration), but Mick will actually coach the team not be a supporter on the sidelines.

This isn't an over reaction to this seasons performance. Our team is very capable of winning a premiership but the players lack heart especially over the last month which tells me they've either lost desire to win for Ratten or something else is seriously plaguing them. I'l probably get a lot of flack for this but i just think it needs to be done, it feels to stale, there's nothing really invigorating or exciting bar solo brilliant performances by players. Mick will be able to nurture and develop our new young breed of Bootsma, Watson, Lucas, Tuohy, Mitchell etc whilst still putting up winning performances and lead us to a decade of winning years.

Ratten 08' 09' 10' 11' 12 = 11th, 7th, 8th, 5th, 10th
Malthouse 13' - onwards = Carlton Premierships

So that's it then. We are going to finish 10th this year with still 10 games left to go in the season.

I might as well head over to the Greek islands and enjoy the European summer !!!

 

[Claypigeon]

Apart from auditing himself, the CEO should already be doing this on a monthly if not weekly basis. Not beginning the process until the end of the season is the opposite of rushing and produces results like Voss being reaffirmed at Brisbane because it is too late to do much else

I never said not to review, in fact I said that most should be constantly reviewing (early in the thread). .. Making a decision to move a coach on mid season when he has shown improvement in the past few seasons and even over the last few weeks would be to rush that review. .. Sure look at the options and put things in place but the time to make that decision is later in the season. ..

 

[incog43]

Just tread softly boys, lets not upset anyone...

Sack Ratten.

Every single player on our list, all other coaching staff then no that the gold pass is gone.

Appoint a caretaker. that is all they are, season end, they revert to there previous position.

Appoint a coach who will take us to a flag.

Do you honestly think Malthouse et al would be using a number 1 pick on 500k to tag?
Do you honestly think Malthouse et al would play AJ?
Do you honestly think Malthouse etal would be sitting on the players bench shittin themselves?

Malthouse et al would finally clean the list, those that can stay, those that can't move on.

Malthouse etal would sort Gibbs pea heart out in no time, and use him as a weapon, not as
a finger in a dyke.

Malthouse etal would understand that there is no difference between turning over a ball because of skills, or turning it over because you are a too scared to win it, the outcome is the same, cut them loose.

30 players playing to a system with a desired outcome, guys like Armfield would flourish or wither, same for Gibbs et al.

Its not hard, you appoint someone who can do the job and let them do it, as for the players, sink or swim, win a flag or move on, not needed, good luck.

How in gods name can you argue for Ratten and some of these squibs, unconditional love is for small children and animals, these players have an opportunity most of us would sell our children on e-bay for, do they want it or not?

Ratten is done, this is a business decision, you make it and prep for 2013, I dont even care if we make it to 8th, Ratten is not the man, and our list NEEDS a man to drive them and this club.

 

[Setanta The Irish]

at least with Mick we wont die wondering.

If we dont win a flag with Mick then we know that our list isnt as good as we think it is.

If Ratten hangs around we will always be wondering what could have been...

 

[mediumsizered]

at least with Mick we wont die wondering.

If we dont win a flag with Mick then we know that our list isnt as good as we think it is.

If Ratten hangs around we will always be wondering what could have been...

Interesting concept. If we couldn't win a flag with Malthouse as coach it says our playing list isn't good enough. If we don't win a flag with Ratten as coach, it is because he is a lousy coach.

Can anyone tell me why the 'great' Mick Malthouse is no longer coaching Collingwood? If he is not considered good enough to coach them, why should we want him? Perhaps we should be going after Nathan Buckley.

 

[Setanta The Irish]

Im implying that Ratten cant coach.

Matlhouse is far superior. Therefor if we dont win a flag with him, its our list thats not upto it.

We WILL not win a flag with Ratten.

 

[incog43]

Interesting concept. If we couldn't win a flag with Malthouse as coach it says our playing list isn't good enough. If we don't win a flag with Ratten as coach, it is because he is a lousy coach.

Can anyone tell me why the 'great' Mick Malthouse is no longer coaching Collingwood? If he is not considered good enough to coach them, why should we want him? Perhaps we should be going after Nathan Buckley.

Really, here's an interesting concept, can you tell me why Ratten is coaching Carlton, cause he is sure not up to it.

 

[thylacine60]

"Coz incog43 said I could, ok?"

 

[mediumsizered]

Really, here's an interesting concept, can you tell me why Ratten is coaching Carlton, cause he is sure not up to it.

The people who run our club, clearly think he is up to it, but who are they to judge when compared to you? Obviously you believe you know a bit more about the game than those running our club. Why haven't the club turned to you to take a position in the Football Department, or even on the board, given you are so knowledgeable in these things. A Cometti-ism comes to mind when I read this sort of stuff "....is having delusions of adequacy."

 

[incog43]

"Coz incog43 said I could, ok?"

Thank you thy, good to see some humor! Perhaps like Caligula a treasure chest of seashells should have nearby!

 

[mediumsizered]

Im implying that Ratten cant coach.

Matlhouse is far superior. Therefor if we dont win a flag with him, its our list thats not upto it.

We WILL not win a flag with Ratten.

But if our list wasn't good enough for for Malthouse to win a flag with, why should Ratts be blamed if he doesn't win a flag with a list which isn't good enough?

 

[thylacine60]

Bloody hell, incoman, think the fella was named Canute or the like. Either way, he couldn't turn the sea around.