Bye Bye Nobles

[TheBigHorne]

starting to get rhyce shaw vibes from his pressers.

Feels like the opposite to Shaw who was very defeatist and pessimistic when we lost.

 

[Cool Kangas]

I for one like Noble. This thread is rubbish. Give him a go.

 

[archereleven]

I expect us to be pushing for finals by 2023 or even in the bottom half of the eight. If we miss finals it has to be close ... and we are building but have room for improvement ie the difference between our best footy and our standard footy is big enough but getting smaller with every game or at least obviously.

2023 will be the year JY and LDU are where Petracca and Oliver where last year in terms of how many seasons they have played. Larkey, Zurhaar and Sleevo too. Obviously these things aren't exactly like for like but the point is those guys will be entering their prime years, if they aren't already.

Can't see it mate.

2024/25 for mine. Our KPP would all have to come on big time this season. Not gonna happen imo.

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[shimaburnsgrieg]

I for one like Noble. This thread is rubbish. Give him a go.

Most people like Noble and he is getting his go - he is senior coach.

What is rubbish is the way we are playing and as coach he needs to accept a reasonable portion of responsibility for that.

 

[Cool Kangas]

Most people like Noble and he is getting his go - he is senior coach.

What is rubbish is the way we are playing and as coach he needs to accept a reasonable portion of responsibility for that.

No the players do. They have demonstrated that they are capable. They are better than what they have shown in those lazy, lazy patches (or entire games).

 

[Zondor]

No the players do. They have demonstrated that they are capable. They are better than what they have shown in those lazy, lazy patches (or entire games).

It’s up to the coach to get the players on the same page. That ain’t happening at the minute. Defensively in particular we look a Dog’s Breakfast. The way we play with ball in hand ain’t that much better. It is only at stoppages where we are winning our fair share of clearances do we look reasonable. Sure the players have played their part in the poor start to this season but to think it’s all their fault and no blame can be apportioned on Noble and his coaching staff is naive. :stern look

 

[Samsquanch]

Hate this thread title. Completely disrespectful.

The thread exists to draw out sensible and reasoned critique of Noble as a coach. The thread title itself is a play on the "Bye Bye Brad (BBB)" thread that used to exist and is the actual reason I joined Big Footy. I could not stand Scotts from day one. Laidly was hard done by as coach and by the state of the club at the time - we had some ordinary players but there were games where the team showed the right spirit. Despite the Scott supporters denials, that spirit was washed out of the club under his management.

We saw glimpses under shaw but the bluster if 100% contested football (a) was unsustainable for any lengthy period and (b) not all of the team were cut out for it.

Under Noble we started 2021 without a game plan and with an injury list as long as your arm, yet with a list decimated by injury. Some of us on BF expressed concern - nobody is going to stick up for Snake but his football insight and his willingness to make his point as straight as it had to be was spot on. By mid season some form of a plan was beginning to emerge. The trouble was, it was one dimensional and relied on payers spreading to the right spots and precise delivery. When it came off it looked fantastic. But this simple game plan failed because every other team countered it with pressure, so much so that our precision went out the window and we had nothing in the playbook to turn to.

And so far in 2022 the only time we've looked good was when we played the harder contested style - it didn't win against Sydney but the team walked off with some degree of respect for their efforts.

Outside of that the North of 2022 does not appear to have evolved. There are some decent players in the list but nobody wants us to be like St Kilda of a few years back - they also had some decent players but losing had become so ingrained that they seemed to have no will to win, and no ability to hold a lead if they did manage to get in front.

I probably haven't explained it that well, but what I'm trying to say is that the club needs to show some direction towards improvement. Players picked in tehir best position. Well balanced teams instead of top heavy up forward and lightweight in defence. There has to be something on the field to show that the training and tactical planning is starting to pay dividends.

That little Q2 revival on Friday was player led. Some of those guys dug in and their effort paid off. If that was the game plan then we'd have expected to see the same kind of play all day. On the other hand, if that was the game plan, the coaching panel must impose themselves on the members of the team who are not buying in.That almost certainly means a long list of "outs" for the game next weekend.

By the way - I am not threatening anything and I'm not anty-Noble. I really do hope we can succeed with him. But it won't be good for the team or for him to see a string of thumpings with no element of a game plan and capability to execute emerging.

 

[Samsquanch]

It’s up to the coach to get the players on the same page. That ain’t happening at the minute. Defensively in particular we look a Dog’s Breakfast. The way we play with ball in hand ain’t that much better. It is only at stoppages where we are winning our fair share of clearances do we look reasonable. Sure the players have played their part in the poor start to this season but to think it’s all their fault and no blame can be apportioned on Noble and his coaching staff is naive. :stern look

In his call JB noted that the average loss to the dogs over the last three games was sixty-nine points. That's not funny.

 

[archereleven]

The thread exists to draw out sensible and reasoned critique of Noble as a coach. The thread title itself is a play on the "Bye Bye Brad (BBB)" thread that used to exist and is the actual reason I joined Big Footy. I could not stand Scotts from day one. Laidly was hard done by as coach and by the state of the club at the time - we had some ordinary players but there were games where the team showed the right spirit. Despite the Scott supporters denials, that spirit was washed out of the club under his management.

We saw glimpses under shaw but the bluster if 100% contested football (a) was unsustainable for any lengthy period and (b) not all of the team were cut out for it.

Under Noble we started 2021 without a game plan and with an injury list as long as your arm, yet with a list decimated by injury. Some of us on BF expressed concern - nobody is going to stick up for Snake but his football insight and his willingness to make his point as straight as it had to be was spot on. By mid season some form of a plan was beginning to emerge. The trouble was, it was one dimensional and relied on payers spreading to the right spots and precise delivery. When it came off it looked fantastic. But this simple game plan failed because every other team countered it with pressure, so much so that our precision went out the window and we had nothing in the playbook to turn to.

And so far in 2022 the only time we've looked good was when we played the harder contested style - it didn't win against Sydney but the team walked off with some degree of respect for their efforts.

Outside of that the North of 2022 does not appear to have evolved. There are some decent players in the list but nobody wants us to be like St Kilda of a few years back - they also had some decent players but losing had become so ingrained that they seemed to have no will to win, and no ability to hold a lead if they did manage to get in front.

I probably haven't explained it that well, but what I'm trying to say is that the club needs to show some direction towards improvement. Players picked in tehir best position. Well balanced teams instead of top heavy up forward and lightweight in defence. There has to be something on the field to show that the training and tactical planning is starting to pay dividends.

That little Q2 revival on Friday was player led. Some of those guys dug in and their effort paid off. If that was the game plan then we'd have expected to see the same kind of play all day. On the other hand, if that was the game plan, the coaching panel must impose themselves on the members of the team who are not buying in.That almost certainly means a long list of "outs" for the game next weekend.

By the way - I am not threatening anything and I'm not anty-Noble. I really do hope we can succeed with him. But it won't be good for the team or for him to see a string of thumpings with no element of a game plan and capability to execute emerging.

Good post SoS

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[Themanbun]

The thread exists to draw out sensible and reasoned critique of Noble as a coach. The thread title itself is a play on the "Bye Bye Brad (BBB)" thread that used to exist and is the actual reason I joined Big Footy. I could not stand Scotts from day one. Laidly was hard done by as coach and by the state of the club at the time - we had some ordinary players but there were games where the team showed the right spirit. Despite the Scott supporters denials, that spirit was washed out of the club under his management.

We saw glimpses under shaw but the bluster if 100% contested football (a) was unsustainable for any lengthy period and (b) not all of the team were cut out for it.

Under Noble we started 2021 without a game plan and with an injury list as long as your arm, yet with a list decimated by injury. Some of us on BF expressed concern - nobody is going to stick up for Snake but his football insight and his willingness to make his point as straight as it had to be was spot on. By mid season some form of a plan was beginning to emerge. The trouble was, it was one dimensional and relied on payers spreading to the right spots and precise delivery. When it came off it looked fantastic. But this simple game plan failed because every other team countered it with pressure, so much so that our precision went out the window and we had nothing in the playbook to turn to.

And so far in 2022 the only time we've looked good was when we played the harder contested style - it didn't win against Sydney but the team walked off with some degree of respect for their efforts.

Outside of that the North of 2022 does not appear to have evolved. There are some decent players in the list but nobody wants us to be like St Kilda of a few years back - they also had some decent players but losing had become so ingrained that they seemed to have no will to win, and no ability to hold a lead if they did manage to get in front.

I probably haven't explained it that well, but what I'm trying to say is that the club needs to show some direction towards improvement. Players picked in tehir best position. Well balanced teams instead of top heavy up forward and lightweight in defence. There has to be something on the field to show that the training and tactical planning is starting to pay dividends.

That little Q2 revival on Friday was player led. Some of those guys dug in and their effort paid off. If that was the game plan then we'd have expected to see the same kind of play all day. On the other hand, if that was the game plan, the coaching panel must impose themselves on the members of the team who are not buying in.That almost certainly means a long list of "outs" for the game next weekend.

By the way - I am not threatening anything and I'm not anty-Noble. I really do hope we can succeed with him. But it won't be good for the team or for him to see a string of thumpings with no element of a game plan and capability to execute emerging.

Great post

 

[North1411]

The thread exists to draw out sensible and reasoned critique of Noble as a coach. The thread title itself is a play on the "Bye Bye Brad (BBB)" thread that used to exist and is the actual reason I joined Big Footy. I could not stand Scotts from day one. Laidly was hard done by as coach and by the state of the club at the time - we had some ordinary players but there were games where the team showed the right spirit. Despite the Scott supporters denials, that spirit was washed out of the club under his management.

We saw glimpses under shaw but the bluster if 100% contested football (a) was unsustainable for any lengthy period and (b) not all of the team were cut out for it.

Under Noble we started 2021 without a game plan and with an injury list as long as your arm, yet with a list decimated by injury. Some of us on BF expressed concern - nobody is going to stick up for Snake but his football insight and his willingness to make his point as straight as it had to be was spot on. By mid season some form of a plan was beginning to emerge. The trouble was, it was one dimensional and relied on payers spreading to the right spots and precise delivery. When it came off it looked fantastic. But this simple game plan failed because every other team countered it with pressure, so much so that our precision went out the window and we had nothing in the playbook to turn to.

And so far in 2022 the only time we've looked good was when we played the harder contested style - it didn't win against Sydney but the team walked off with some degree of respect for their efforts.

Outside of that the North of 2022 does not appear to have evolved. There are some decent players in the list but nobody wants us to be like St Kilda of a few years back - they also had some decent players but losing had become so ingrained that they seemed to have no will to win, and no ability to hold a lead if they did manage to get in front.

I probably haven't explained it that well, but what I'm trying to say is that the club needs to show some direction towards improvement. Players picked in tehir best position. Well balanced teams instead of top heavy up forward and lightweight in defence. There has to be something on the field to show that the training and tactical planning is starting to pay dividends.

That little Q2 revival on Friday was player led. Some of those guys dug in and their effort paid off. If that was the game plan then we'd have expected to see the same kind of play all day. On the other hand, if that was the game plan, the coaching panel must impose themselves on the members of the team who are not buying in.That almost certainly means a long list of "outs" for the game next weekend.

By the way - I am not threatening anything and I'm not anty-Noble. I really do hope we can succeed with him. But it won't be good for the team or for him to see a string of thumpings with no element of a game plan and capability to execute emerging.

I'm not going to say it is all going rosey but after reading Ricks analysis of the game, a big difference in the 1st and 2nd quater is players positioning properly in order to effectively defend and preassure. So that would be coaching led

 

[amaz199]

Under Noble we started 2021 without a game plan and with an injury list as long as your arm, yet with a list decimated by injury. Some of us on BF expressed concern - nobody is going to stick up for Snake but his football insight and his willingness to make his point as straight as it had to be was spot on. By mid season some form of a plan was beginning to emerge. The trouble was, it was one dimensional and relied on payers spreading to the right spots and precise delivery. When it came off it looked fantastic. But this simple game plan failed because every other team countered it with pressure, so much so that our precision went out the window and we had nothing in the playbook to turn to.

We also started with 11 blokes gone.

If contested stoppage plan is too hard and attacking the corridor is also too hard, what do we do? Just switch the play everytime and run ourselves off our legs?

Noble is just trying to instil something that gives our forwards every chance of getting an opportunity with the limited options we have right now. If we still had the core gun senior players from Laids/Brad's era, they would be licking their lips right now. Especially Boomer and Wells.

And so far in 2022 the only time we've looked good was when we played the harder contested style - it didn't win against Sydney but the team walked off with some degree of respect for their efforts.

Outside of that the North of 2022 does not appear to have evolved. There are some decent players in the list but nobody wants us to be like St Kilda of a few years back - they also had some decent players but losing had become so ingrained that they seemed to have no will to win, and no ability to hold a lead if they did manage to get in front.

I probably haven't explained it that well, but what I'm trying to say is that the club needs to show some direction towards improvement. Players picked in tehir best position. Well balanced teams instead of top heavy up forward and lightweight in defence. There has to be something on the field to show that the training and tactical planning is starting to pay dividends.

Not having forwards ready to go does this and again, if we don't have the marking power (which we clearly don't) then we are forced into that sort of style going wide hoping Xerri or Goldy can save us. The backline is lightweight sorta, but it is because of the forward line not having enough cattle. We don't have the firepower down there.

Totally agree on the last part, there has to be something shown but I think we just simply don't have the right mix. We're trying to solve that.

That little Q2 revival on Friday was player led. Some of those guys dug in and their effort paid off. If that was the game plan then we'd have expected to see the same kind of play all day. On the other hand, if that was the game plan, the coaching panel must impose themselves on the members of the team who are not buying in.That almost certainly means a long list of "outs" for the game next weekend.

By the way - I am not threatening anything and I'm not anty-Noble. I really do hope we can succeed with him. But it won't be good for the team or for him to see a string of thumpings with no element of a game plan and capability to execute emerging.

I hope we do too.

It is simply down to fixing the forward availabilities. Once those guys get in and get some continuity, we can actually not have to chase all the time and burn ourselves out. We are trying twice as hard to score even when we have momentum. We just don't have those players we want yet.

Longer break for the boys might help but I would expect our forward line will look very different later in the year. It is the one thing breaking us down right now.

 

[Samsquanch]

I get the situation where the list is incomplete. It has gaping holes all over the place which makes it difficult to compete as breakdowns can occur at any spot on the ground. What bugs me though is the way different players are approaching the game. We have hard contested players in the middle, defenders in zones who bring the ball into the corridor putting their teammates under intense pressure at CHB or else bomb the ball either up the boundary or into no man's land forward of centre. We stack the forward line with talls but have no crumbers to pounce on balls brought to ground and our intensity is laconic apart from a very few players. Those who do show desire are stuffed by half way through the game.

It is like the line coaches are working on different plans.

 

[archereleven]

Fremantle, Hawthorn and Adelaide looking MILES ahead of us now.

Cohesiveness, intensity and a sound gameplan. 3 requirements to move ahead.

We are spiritless unless we can be ****ed.

World's apart.

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[Le Grille]

If anything bye bye luffs, I am a huge fan of analytics but he is clearly picking the wrong ones

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

The fact that he wasn’t disappointed by the first quarter is the worlds biggest alarm bell.

 

[rickety]

The fact that he wasn’t disappointed by the first quarter is the worlds biggest alarm bell.

Did he say that though? Sounded to me like he was more looking at the positivity of the second quarter. Iirc he also mentioned something along the lines of not dismissing the disaster of the 1st quarter.

 

[Samsquanch]

I'm inspired.

 

[archereleven]

If anything bye bye luffs, I am a huge fan of analytics but he is clearly picking the wrong ones

List A or list B?

Edwards, Phillips or

Newcombe, McDonald

Considering we then spent a future 2nd on CCJ, another ruck/forward its hard not to look at list B atm

Edwards and Wip may well turn into A graders. Years away from knowing.

Newcombe already looks a 70 gamer with defensive traits far beyond a 20 year old 11 gamer and Logan McDonald is tracking well for a 20 year old KPF.




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[Le Grille]

List A or list B?

Edwards, Phillips or

Newcombe, McDonald

Considering we then spent a future 2nd on CCJ, another ruck/forward its hard not to look at list B atm

Edwards and Wip may well turn into A graders. Years away from knowing.

Newcombe already looks a 70 gamer with defensive traits far beyond 20 year old 11 gamer and Logan McDonald is tracking well for a 20 year old KPF.




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Who knows but I’d like to see the analysis that spat out that ccj is worth 5 yrs and it’s cool to not go for an extra kpd

 

[Samsquanch]

Who knows but I’d like to see the analysis that spat out that ccj is worth 5 yrs and it’s cool to not go for an extra kpd

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

The thread exists to draw out sensible and reasoned critique of Noble as a coach. The thread title itself is a play on the "Bye Bye Brad (BBB)" thread that used to exist and is the actual reason I joined Big Footy. I could not stand Scotts from day one. Laidly was hard done by as coach and by the state of the club at the time - we had some ordinary players but there were games where the team showed the right spirit. Despite the Scott supporters denials, that spirit was washed out of the club under his management.

We saw glimpses under shaw but the bluster if 100% contested football (a) was unsustainable for any lengthy period and (b) not all of the team were cut out for it.

Under Noble we started 2021 without a game plan and with an injury list as long as your arm, yet with a list decimated by injury. Some of us on BF expressed concern - nobody is going to stick up for Snake but his football insight and his willingness to make his point as straight as it had to be was spot on. By mid season some form of a plan was beginning to emerge. The trouble was, it was one dimensional and relied on payers spreading to the right spots and precise delivery. When it came off it looked fantastic. But this simple game plan failed because every other team countered it with pressure, so much so that our precision went out the window and we had nothing in the playbook to turn to.

And so far in 2022 the only time we've looked good was when we played the harder contested style - it didn't win against Sydney but the team walked off with some degree of respect for their efforts.

Outside of that the North of 2022 does not appear to have evolved. There are some decent players in the list but nobody wants us to be like St Kilda of a few years back - they also had some decent players but losing had become so ingrained that they seemed to have no will to win, and no ability to hold a lead if they did manage to get in front.

I probably haven't explained it that well, but what I'm trying to say is that the club needs to show some direction towards improvement. Players picked in tehir best position. Well balanced teams instead of top heavy up forward and lightweight in defence. There has to be something on the field to show that the training and tactical planning is starting to pay dividends.

That little Q2 revival on Friday was player led. Some of those guys dug in and their effort paid off. If that was the game plan then we'd have expected to see the same kind of play all day. On the other hand, if that was the game plan, the coaching panel must impose themselves on the members of the team who are not buying in.That almost certainly means a long list of "outs" for the game next weekend.

By the way - I am not threatening anything and I'm not anty-Noble. I really do hope we can succeed with him. But it won't be good for the team or for him to see a string of thumpings with no element of a game plan and capability to execute emerging.

Good post SoS

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Great post

Well it's good some of you found something to like in this post. I got halfway through and wanted to jump off a cliff. You must be a lot of fun at parties.

 

[Passmore]

If anything bye bye luffs, I am a huge fan of analytics but he is clearly picking the wrong ones

Finnegan gets the final say on the kids.

 

[Merlin007]

Who knows but I’d like to see the analysis that spat out that ccj is worth 5 yrs and it’s cool to not go for an extra kpd

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So this comes from someone who's not convinced about this trade, but if we're going to be hysterical after five games into the season about a player who hasn't played 20 games, let's at least can the facts right - it's a four year contract

 

[Themanbun]

Who knows but I’d like to see the analysis that spat out that ccj is worth 5 yrs and it’s cool to not go for an extra kpd

I actually don't mind bringing CCJ in, if we presume Goldy retires this year. He hasn't earned his spot but Edwards isn't ready. We needed depth in that area.

If we had have told him he'd be playing ressies in round 5 though I doubt he would've come.