Cam Rayner

[Meteoric Rise]

Nothing embarrassing about finishing behind those 2 players. They're good players. Like Langdon is one of the best wings in the league so no idea why you'd even mention him. ANB is also a good player. You do realise melbourne had 5 all-australians in 2021 so the BnF essentially starts at 6. Not 1. I don't think any 1 player from another club gets in Melbournes top 5, let alone brisbane.

So according to you Melbourne have the best 5 players in the AFL now.

And Fritsch’s 7th placed finish of the players outside this top 5 in the AFL actually makes him a superstar worth pick 4.

Fritsch is a good player. You are right, there is nothing for him to be embarrassed about. It is you who should be severely embarrassed for rating Fritsch, the 4th highest Melbourne specialist FORWARD in the 2021 B & F(of 5 who had any chance, only Spargo ranking lower) and Melbourne’s 6th best player from the 2014 draft crop by age, as being worth pick 4 in a National Draft. And then rating a player in Rayner 3 years younger who is tracking comfortably ahead of Fritsch at the same age as being worth pick 30.

And then Rayner has a quiet game(you or I would have no idea why an individual player might have a quiet game in a random match) after getting coaches votes the week before, and you come here singing your own praises. I for one don’t want you to stop because it is gold.

 

[danster168]

So according to you Melbourne have the best 5 players in the AFL now.

And Fritsch’s 7th placed finish of the players outside this top 5 in the AFL actually makes him a superstar worth pick 4.

Fritsch is a good player. You are right, there is nothing for him to be embarrassed about. It is you who should be severely embarrassed for rating Fritsch, the 4th highest Melbourne specialist FORWARD in the 2021 B & F(of 5 who had any chance, only Spargo ranking lower) and Melbourne’s 6th best player from the 2014 draft crop by age, as being worth pick 4 in a National Draft. And then rating a player in Rayner 3 years younger who is tracking comfortably ahead of Fritsch at the same age as being worth pick 30.

And then Rayner has a quiet game(you or I would have no idea why an individual player might have a quiet game in a random match) after getting coaches votes the week before, and you come here singing your own praises. I for one don’t want you to stop because it is gold.

2021:
Gawn best ruckman (tick)
May best defender (tick)
Lever best intercept defender (tick)
Oliver and Petracca: Best midfielders in the comp (tick) *at worst 2 of the top 5.

Not much can be really argued here as they were all starting AA players so they were considered the best in their position. So you pick someone like Lachie Neale and where does he come in our BnF in 2021? At best 6th, at worst probably 10-12.

You say 4th highest melbourne forward yet he is a top 10 goal kicker last year AND this year. hahaha. hilarious. but good on you for focussing on a BnF finish in one of the most dominant grand finals teams of the modern era.

Fritsch is a top 3 small forward in the league right now. The goal totals tell me this as well as his 6 goals in a granny. Meanwhile Rayner is still hacking it up getting 10 touches in the home and away season. lol

 

[Meteoric Rise]

2021:
Gawn best ruckman (tick)
May best defender (tick)
Lever best intercept defender (tick)
Oliver and Petracca: Best midfielders in the comp (tick) *at worst 2 of the top 5.

Not much can be really argued here as they were all starting AA players so they were considered the best in their position. So you pick someone like Lachie Neale and where does he come in our BnF in 2021? At best 6th, at worst probably 10-12.

You say 4th highest melbourne forward yet he is a top 10 goal kicker last year AND this year. hahaha. hilarious. but good on you for focussing on a BnF finish in one of the most dominant grand finals teams of the modern era.

Fritsch is a top 3 small forward in the league right now. The goal totals tell me this as well as his 6 goals in a granny. Meanwhile Rayner is still hacking it up getting 10 touches in the home and away season. lol

Mate when most of us want to dig as hole for ourselves we use a shovel. You are using a heavy duty excavator.

 

[rye]

thread just going to be bumped by danster from this point on everytime rayner has a down game

we've seen he can play decent enough this year. just needs to find consistency

didnt help in on the weekend he had relatively little mid minutes and was stuck on a hff

 

[Elixuh]

2021:
Gawn best ruckman (tick)
May best defender (tick)
Lever best intercept defender (tick)
Oliver and Petracca: Best midfielders in the comp (tick) *at worst 2 of the top 5.

Not much can be really argued here as they were all starting AA players so they were considered the best in their position. So you pick someone like Lachie Neale and where does he come in our BnF in 2021? At best 6th, at worst probably 10-12.

You say 4th highest melbourne forward yet he is a top 10 goal kicker last year AND this year. hahaha. hilarious. but good on you for focussing on a BnF finish in one of the most dominant grand finals teams of the modern era.

Fritsch is a top 3 small forward in the league right now. The goal totals tell me this as well as his 6 goals in a granny. Meanwhile Rayner is still hacking it up getting 10 touches in the home and away season. lol

Are you this deranged away from the computer?

 

[Sherrinator]

I prefer a guy with a bad haircut than a guy who looks like Tarzan but plays like Jane. 30th best in his draft and you take him at pick 1. lol

You sexist pig

 

[Meteoric Rise]

2021:
Gawn best ruckman (tick)
May best defender (tick)
Lever best intercept defender (tick)
Oliver and Petracca: Best midfielders in the comp (tick) *at worst 2 of the top 5.

Not much can be really argued here as they were all starting AA players so they were considered the best in their position. So you pick someone like Lachie Neale and where does he come in our BnF in 2021? At best 6th, at worst probably 10-12.

You say 4th highest melbourne forward yet he is a top 10 goal kicker last year AND this year. hahaha. hilarious. but good on you for focussing on a BnF finish in one of the most dominant grand finals teams of the modern era.

Fritsch is a top 3 small forward in the league right now. The goal totals tell me this as well as his 6 goals in a granny. Meanwhile Rayner is still hacking it up getting 10 touches in the home and away season. lol

Fritsch 9th worst pressure forward in the AFL apparently. You will be trading your pick 4 out for a 4th rounder if they keep revealing facts like this about him danster. So your pick 4 who is an uncontested beast and specialises in Joe the Goose goals not only regularly burns team-mates in better positions by not passing the ball to them, he burns his team by not bothering to give a f*ck when the opposition has the ball.

Pick 4

 

[danster168]

thread just going to be bumped by danster from this point on everytime rayner has a down game

we've seen he can play decent enough this year. just needs to find consistency

didnt help in on the weekend he had relatively little mid minutes and was stuck on a hff

every time he has a bad game? he plays 10 bad games for every 1 average-decent game. it gets bumped by Brisbane fans. He is just an average footy player thus far in his career. 14.8 possessions with the amount of midfield time he gets is terrible. He compares very evenly with Tom Sparrow and that's about where I see Rayner as a player.

Tom Sparrow and Cameron Rayner AFL Stats Comparison

 

[Meteoric Rise]

every time he has a bad game? he plays 10 bad games for every 1 average-decent game. it gets bumped by Brisbane fans. He is just an average footy player thus far in his career. 14.8 possessions with the amount of midfield time he gets is terrible. He compares very evenly with Tom Sparrow and that's about where I see Rayner as a player.

Tom Sparrow and Cameron Rayner AFL Stats Comparison

Now isn’t that interesting Dan. You (wrongly) have Sparrow and Rayner around a similar level. I say wrongly because Rayner nearly matches or betters Sparrow in just about every other area but smashes him for scoring impact and contested marks.

But this is your ratings and you rate Sparrow and Rayner around the same mark. Yet you rate Rayner worth pick 30, and Spargo worth pick 18. And so when we look at the Sparrow v Spargo comparison we should expect to see Spargo way ahead of him….

But dear oh dear Dan, Sparrow is comfortably ahead of Spargo in the battle of the Sparos. You are like a one man self-defeating argument.

 

[augie]

Now isn’t that interesting Dan. You (wrongly) have Sparrow and Rayner around a similar level. I say wrongly because Rayner nearly matches or betters Sparrow in just about every other area but smashes him for scoring impact and contested marks.

But this is your ratings and you rate Sparrow and Rayner around the same mark. Yet you rate Rayner worth pick 30, and Spargo worth pick 18. And so when we look at the Sparrow v Spargo comparison we should expect to see Spargo way ahead of him….

But dear oh dear Dan, Sparrow is comfortably ahead of Spargo in the battle of the Sparos. You are like a one man self-defeating argument.

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No bigger smashing than a player who takes a contested mark every 5 games smashing a player who takes one every 10 games. Kudos to the contested marking beast.

 

[danster168]

Meteoric Rise

Fritsch putting on a clinic tonight. Remember that time when you said you'd pick Rayner over him? lol.

59 goals last year, 43 goals and counting this year.

Meanwhile Rayner is still a fringe player lol.

Ultimately Rayner is still hovering around pick 30 in his draft.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Meteoric Rise

Fritsch putting on a clinic tonight. Remember that time when you said you'd pick Rayner over him? lol.

59 goals last year, 43 goals and counting this year.

Meanwhile Rayner is still a fringe player lol.

Ultimately Rayner is still hovering around pick 30 in his draft.

Oh dear oh dear oh dear dan.

Goals you say, goals?

You may wish to have a little look in your favourite place to judge Rayner by danster my dear little confederate.

And then tell us how many coaches votes the 9th worst pressure forward in the AFL and 7 contested mark season and joe the goose giant 25 year old Bayley Fritsch has so far this season …..he is however a clear leader in the uncontested chest mark of the year award, so many entries, he is really good at those.

And how did your "team first RFI” whale go in the tackles column tonight Dan, I looked but couldn’t seem to locate him there? But I guess he did have an equal game 9th high 5 score involvements.

After you have checked those few sobering things that should wipe that blank look right off your face Dan, then please inform us again what percentage of his time on field 22 year old Cameron Rayner spends in the midfield this season…..I really like it when you do that.

Pick 4, just . Spargo has more coaches votes than Fritsch. Rayner does as well.

Just for a little reminder below of how crucial coaches votes are to how you judge players dan, just in case on the off chance you had forgotten. My personal favourite is the 4th one from the top. “it’s pretty damn easy to poll coaches votes" you said. So easy that the man you are ejaculating over on a weekly basis, the proven gun as you say, the person you rate as pick 4 in the 2017 National Draft despite him being the 6th best MELBOURNE player from his natural draft year 2014, has exactly zero coaches votes in the first 18 games this season. Zip, nil, none.

Rayner hasn't polled 1 coaches vote all year. imo, it just shows how low the expectations are on Rayner. But I recognise he is showing improvement. For the record, Spargo has polled coaches votes in 2 games this season. Rayner, 0.

lol. but he's been named in the coaches votes twice compared to Rayners 0. Care to comment?

lol. no they don't. Which jets of the afl have not polled a single coaches vote all season?

ahaha, and why would the coaches be careless and clueless? They are the most privy to match day roles etc. and have a greater understanding of the game as anyone. The coaches votes have much more respect and credit than the Brownlow.

Like most of Melbourne's team, we're not as good as last season but until Rayner actually polls a vote let's pump the brakes. It's pretty damn easy to poll coaches votes as Spargo has shown. He's polled 0 yet apparently he's a good player?

no they can't. it's all relative to the game that's being played. if rayner ever features in the top half a dozen players then he'll get a coaches vote. simple.

hahahahaha, you got ahead of yourself. Rayner did nothing in the 2nd half but you thought you'd be smart and post after he had a better than average start. lol.
Another week of no coaches votes. massive lol.

haha, lol. at least confess that you got ahead of yourself? you posted just at the time that he was finding the ball. nek mennit, no influence on the game. Let me know when your own coach actually values him in his votes. 9 disposals in the 2nd half with PLENTY of CBA's. that's what you call average.

No idea why you're mentioning Frisch. 12 goals in his last 4.

yeah lets compare a pressure forward whose sole role is to chase and apply defensive pressure with a number 1 pick who is given every chance to justify his selection. raynor is a failed pick. Now its just a matter of limiting the damage.

Coaches votes are out. So apparently, despite playing so well, he missed out on Coaches votes again. the streak continues. Thats okay, he's a 14-18th best player in the team. But with so many CBA's, he should've got a coaches vote by now.

Dude, this is a Rayner thread. Like I said, Fritsch has proven that he's a gun. The argument was finished last season. If he's one trick is goals then so be it.

but don't give me this dribble that Rayner averages 15 touches and try to deceive me by not mentioning that he plays a hell of a lot in the midfield and gets prime opportunities to find the ball and still doesn't.

I also don't look at the media at all. I have my own opinions. Rayner hasn't had a single coaches vote all season long. And never EVER mention Rayner in the same sentence as those 2 melbourne greats ever again. Blasphemy of the highest order.

haha, rayner before Fritsch. that's a troll right there

Rayner before any of those 17 guys can't be taken seriously.

Go over to a neutral board and post your thoughts there. You may be in for quite the surprise. You're basing everything off potential.

Tim Kelly is an All-Australian in 2019 for heavens sake and you're saying you'd take Rayner before Tim Kelly? Why? Because he averages 15 possessions and hasn't had a single coaches vote all year?

 

[Dazb86]

How good is Ed Richards

20

Ed Richards

Age

26

Ht

188cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.4

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.4

4star

CL

0.7

3star

D

11.3

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

5.3

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

2.5

3star

CL

1.1

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

9.8

4star

HB

4.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.2

2star

 

[danster168]

Oh dear oh dear oh dear dan.

Goals you say, goals?

You may wish to have a little look in your favourite place to judge Rayner by danster my dear little confederate.

And then tell us how many coaches votes the 9th worst pressure forward in the AFL and 7 contested mark season and joe the goose giant 25 year old Bayley Fritsch has so far this season …..he is however a clear leader in the uncontested chest mark of the year award, so many entries, he is really good at those.

And how did your "team first RFI” whale go in the tackles column tonight Dan, I looked but couldn’t seem to locate him there? But I guess he did have an equal game 9th high 5 score involvements.

After you have checked those few sobering things that should wipe that blank look right off your face Dan, then please inform us again what percentage of his time on field 22 year old Cameron Rayner spends in the midfield this season…..I really like it when you do that.

Pick 4, just . Spargo has more coaches votes than Fritsch. Rayner does as well.

Just for a little reminder below of how crucial coaches votes are to how you judge players dan, just in case on the off chance you had forgotten. My personal favourite is the 4th one from the top. “it’s pretty damn easy to poll coaches votes" you said. So easy that the man you are ejaculating over on a weekly basis, the proven gun as you say, the person you rate as pick 4 in the 2017 National Draft despite him being the 6th best MELBOURNE player from his natural draft year 2014, has exactly zero coaches votes in the first 18 games this season. Zip, nil, none.

Lol. What are you actually saying?..that he didn't play well? Because he was one of the most dangerous forwards on the ground (again) and was named 3rd best in the match report. i suspect he'll be in the coaches votes. And you're saying he didn't play well because of some random stats you pull out haha. i'll take his overall game thanks! You could have the decency to acknowledge that Fritsch is far better than Rayner ever will be and cut your losses.

Also, out of all of the players that have kicked 40 goals or more this season, how many don't you rate? Also, how many players that have averaged 50 goals across 2 seasons don't you rate?

Dude, you're well and truly lost your credibility. Fritsch is one of the best forwards in the league. And is a tough match up. He'll be in the AA squad, minimum. Do you not think so? Put your name next to a statement.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Lol. What are you actually saying?..that he didn't play well? Because he was one of the most dangerous forwards on the ground (again) and was named 3rd best in the match report. i suspect he'll be in the coaches votes. And you're saying he didn't play well because of some random stats you pull out haha. i'll take his overall game thanks! You could have the decency to acknowledge that Fritsch is far better than Rayner ever will be and cut your losses.

Also, out of all of the players that have kicked 40 goals or more this season, how many don't you rate? Also, how many players that have averaged 50 goals across 2 seasons don't you rate?

Dude, you're well and truly lost your credibility. Fritsch is one of the best forwards in the league. And is a tough match up. He'll be in the AA squad, minimum. Do you not think so? Put your name next to a statement.

But danster, how many coaches votes does Fritsch have in the first 18 games of the season? This is not about me, and what I think of Fritsch. He is a decent player in his role and played well last night I don’t have an issue with that. But you have gone on ad nauseam about how easy coaches votes are to get and how important they are in judging players, so my post is about using YOUR measuring stick on YOUR pick 4. And by your measure, he must be worse than Rayner, as Rayner has coaches votes and Fritsch has none.

So somewhere along the line here dan, you were wrong about the coaches votes you posted about over and over, or you are wrong about Fritsch. You now need to explain your position on this, your disgraceful reputation hangs on this dan.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Fremantle v Melbourne​

10 Jack Viney

7

Jack Viney

Age

31

Ht

179cm

Wt

93kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.1

5star

K

9.4

4star

HB

12.6

5star

M

2.8

3star

T

5.7

5star

CL

5.0

5star

D

21.8

5star

K

10.3

4star

HB

11.5

5star

M

2.5

3star

T

4.5

5star

CL

5.0

5star

D

13.4

4star

K

8.6

4star

HB

4.8

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

3.4

5star

CL

3.6

5star

(MELB)
8 Christian Petracca

3

Christian Petracca

Age

30

Ht

187cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.4

5star

K

9.5

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

3.0

5star

CL

2.5

4star

D

24.4

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

14.0

5star

M

3.5

3star

T

3.6

4star

CL

3.4

4star

D

19.0

5star

K

7.8

3star

HB

11.2

5star

M

3.0

3star

T

3.8

5star

CL

2.0

4star

(MELB)
5 Angus Brayshaw

10

Angus Brayshaw

Age

30

Ht

188cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.7

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

8.6

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

4.3

5star

MG

233.5

4star

D

15.5

4star

K

7.7

3star

HB

7.8

4star

M

2.0

2star

T

3.2

4star

MG

233.5

4star

D

11.4

3star

K

8.2

4star

HB

3.2

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

5.6

5star

(MELB)
3 Steven May

1

Steven May

Age

34

Ht

193cm

Wt

101kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.7

4star

K

10.5

4star

HB

4.2

3star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.5

3star

MG

307.3

4star

D

15.5

4star

K

12.1

5star

HB

3.4

2star

M

3.4

3star

T

0.5

1star

MG

378.4

5star

D

12.4

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

3.6

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.8

4star

(MELB)
2 James Aish

Multiple players found. Use birthday to differentiate. eg [PLAYERCARD="23/11/1962"]Joe Smith[/PLAYERCARD]

(FRE)
1 David Mundy

16

David Mundy

Age

40

Ht

192cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.1

5star

K

11.2

4star

HB

11.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

4.3

5star

CL

5.1

5star

D

15.7

4star

K

6.7

3star

HB

9.0

4star

M

2.3

2star

T

2.7

4star

CL

3.7

5star

D

27.8

5star

K

15.4

5star

HB

12.4

5star

M

5.8

5star

T

6.2

5star

CL

7.2

5star

(FRE)
1 Bayley Fritsch

31

Bayley Fritsch

Age

29

Ht

188cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.6

4star

K

10.4

4star

HB

5.2

4star

M

5.5

5star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

9.5

2star

K

7.7

3star

HB

1.8

1star

M

5.0

5star

T

1.0

2star

G

1.3

5star

D

11.8

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.4

5star

(MELB)

Damn. Seems Dan was right after all. Bayley Fritsch

31

Bayley Fritsch

Age

29

Ht

188cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.6

4star

K

10.4

4star

HB

5.2

4star

M

5.5

5star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

9.5

2star

K

7.7

3star

HB

1.8

1star

M

5.0

5star

T

1.0

2star

G

1.3

5star

D

11.8

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.4

5star

just got his first Coaches Vote for the season in round 19. He is a superstar after all. Equal 6th BOG with a retiring fossil.

 

[Nunez]

9 score involvements today to go with 16 pressure acts. Was hugely influential in the win.

 

[La Dispute]

9 score involvements today to go with 16 pressure acts. Was hugely influential in the win.

There was at least 10 Lions players better than him today.

He was OK though. 16 disposals, no goals.

Probably gets a tick from the coaching team.

 

[Nunez]

There was at least 10 Lions players better than him today.

He was OK though. 16 disposals, no goals.

Probably gets a tick from the coaching team.

He wasn't in my top 5 but absolutely in my top 10. His ability to win contested ball and hit a clean disposal set up plenty of goals.

 

[rye]

one things for sure

we definitely could have done a lot worse with a top 3 pick from this draft

 

[Nunez]

one things for sure

we definitely could have done a lot worse with a top 3 pick from this draft

To quote Homer Simpson: DO'W!

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Wondering where danster168 is…..

Seems he is suspended. Must have been celebrating the rare 1 contested mark Bayley Fritsch

31

Bayley Fritsch

Age

29

Ht

188cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.6

4star

K

10.4

4star

HB

5.2

4star

M

5.5

5star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

9.5

2star

K

7.7

3star

HB

1.8

1star

M

5.0

5star

T

1.0

2star

G

1.3

5star

D

11.8

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.4

5star

game a little too vigorously. Well, double celebration really, Chuck Spargo’s zero contested possession game takes some doing. Hen’s teeth effort…..except it is his second time of reaching this particular summit this season.

Come back dan, we miss you.

 

[Elixuh]

I wonder what he is doing with all his spare time

 

[T2B_]

To quote Homer Simpson: DO'W!

Pay that, well done.

 

[Cubs2Lions]

I wonder what he is doing with all his spare time