Cameron Wood - About ....... time !!

[Jabso]

Both Fraser and Wood played Cox very well in ruck contests by just niggling him and hanging all over him at contests. Rather than trying to win the hitout themselves, just make sure Cox doesn't get clean hitouts.

 

[Just Kick It]

Interesting thing is if we rate him on his ruckwork only he didn't do a lot.

Don't tell me that someone actually brought up the skill that differentiates a ruckman from the rest of the players, being able to secure hit-outs. Surely the primary measurement of a ruckmans performance has to be hitouts, the rest is just icing on the cake.

For example, what's the point of having a wicket keeper in cricket that can't catch?

Whilst Woods work rate, endeavour and posession counts were all extremely pleasing and showed that he is heading in the right direction, he still got absolutely dominated in the hit-outs. His 9 hit outs were less than a third of Cox's 30.

However the real damning statistic on the pies performance in the ruck tonight was that we had 7 players record hit-outs. This shows that our players had little faith in our ruck combo of Fraser and Wood beating their opponent in a ruck dual.

All that being said, congrats to the bloke for showing that he does give a crap and that he is prepared to put in the required effort. I hope we see it again next week.

 

[DoubleO7]

It doesn't matter who won the actual ruck contests. Our midfielders roved Cox with brilliance, Pendlebury in particular.

 

[Shaunn]

Yes indeed it was one of cox's worst games in 5 years the commentators said, and Pendlebury is first in disposals for the season averaging 30.3 and Swan is 3 Disposals behind him .

 

[magpies42]

Hehe, he only took 5 years, thankfully 3 of those were in Brisbane.

Worthy of a 1st round pick?

You bet your arse he is.

HE BEAT DEAN COX.

so did fraser last year! whats your point?

 

[Subtemperate]

Whilst Woods work rate, endeavour and posession counts were all extremely pleasing and showed that he is heading in the right direction, he still got absolutely dominated in the hit-outs. His 9 hit outs were less than a third of Cox's 30.

Which in a nutshell, will show you why hitout stats are overrated. How did Cox domination help his side? Cox got 3 times the hitouts, and they are saying it was his worst game in 5 years....

 

[rose jam]

It the 3rd quarter I was like "woah, wtf, is that Cameron Wood? This mudda ****a is going smack down on their a$$. Dude, yo, there's a party in your pants and we're all invited"

 

[FIGJAM]

Surely the primary measurement of a ruckmans performance has to be hitouts, the rest is just icing on the cake.

Whilst Woods work rate, endeavour and posession counts were all extremely pleasing and showed that he is heading in the right direction, he still got absolutely dominated in the hit-outs. His 9 hit outs were less than a third of Cox's 30.

Watch the game again closely. He got 9 clear hitouts to advantage and contested many contests to a neutral result.

His primary role was a highlight, and taking strong grabs around the ground is also primary.

However the real damning statistic on the pies performance in the ruck tonight was that we had 7 players record hit-outs. This shows that our players had little faith in our ruck combo of Fraser and Wood beating their opponent in a ruck dual.

That's not what it says at all! We had 3 blokes who've rucked centre bounces (and only rucked 2 of them!), then a handful of guys who had the bounce fall their way and went third man up.

 

[rose jam]

anyone who thinks ruck hitouts mean anything uses dream team points to judge performances. Seriously, both ruckman are usually trying to hit the ball to the same spot anyway.

Collingwood played a different set-up at the bounces today with a player starting goal side (usually positions themselves 2 back, 1 on the side) and that player was getting the majoprity of the first touch at centre bounces right into Cox's hitting zone. It was really well coached.

 

[Bay Pie]

The guy has the ability and knows where to position himself quite well.

I think he just has to push himself and work a bit harder.

He did that last night, very well.

Fraser & Wood, I'd say, worked fantastically well as a tandem last night. Not one of Frasers best games but as a duo, great.

Another great test next week against Lade and Brogan

 

[ant22]

Don't tell me that someone actually brought up the skill that differentiates a ruckman from the rest of the players, being able to secure hit-outs. Surely the primary measurement of a ruckmans performance has to be hitouts, the rest is just icing on the cake.

For example, what's the point of having a wicket keeper in cricket that can't catch?

Whilst Woods work rate, endeavour and posession counts were all extremely pleasing and showed that he is heading in the right direction, he still got absolutely dominated in the hit-outs. His 9 hit outs were less than a third of Cox's 30.

However the real damning statistic on the pies performance in the ruck tonight was that we had 7 players record hit-outs. This shows that our players had little faith in our ruck combo of Fraser and Wood beating their opponent in a ruck dual.

All that being said, congrats to the bloke for showing that he does give a crap and that he is prepared to put in the required effort. I hope we see it again next week.

Mids make ruckwork look good in the modern game in my opinion. Sandi domintates every game he plays in terms of hit outs and yet over the last 2 years freo have been smashed in the clearances. Its only now that Haselby who is IMO in the top 5 clearance players in the comp at the moment has hit top form that freo have started winning clearances. You may see 3 or 4 in a whole game that can be accreditated to the ruckman in terms of genuinelly giving firsty use. Cox is so good because he drops back into the hole and takes marks, he gets 20 plus ps every game(except for last night) and can go forward and kick goals. He does it all. The most encouraging thing for me last night was seeing wood take some good strong marks and not be affraid to drop back into the hole. This needs to be the way he plays going forward

 

[ant22]

Wood is 22 and yes he is due but some ruckman take this long to start hitting there straps. Primus was drafted, delisted and re-drafted at the age of 21. Matt allen who became a very good ruckman in the 90s did not start playing decent footy until he was 22,23. Jolly took a while to get going. Simmonds was not much chop until he got to richmond. Sandi, cox etc etc all took a fair bit of time to develop. The list could go on but very few ruckman have much of an impact in there first 3 or 4 years.

 

[pants forever]

I have just seen the stats, but I doubt very much that Cox had 30 hit outs....And I can clearly remember Cam Wood getting his hand to the ball first in all three quarters. Obviously the hit outs aren't accurate.

On the effectiveness of ruckmen at ruck contests, I always believe the amount of hit outs a ruckmen gets is not an indication of their dominance. Last night, both Josh and Cam put more pressure on both Cox and Seaby at stoppages. I thought the competitiveness of both Wood and Fraser meant that the ruck hit outs were of little importance. Interesting clearance finished 40 to 37 in Collingwoods favor.

 

[James Bond 008]

Cameron wood thats the sh1t

Well done Woody keep that up and we will go places sunny boy
Great game mate, hopefull thats the first of many more to come.

 

[didaka]

Re: Cameron wood thats the sh1t

I think Cameron's biggest problem is that the footy world is impatient.

Fantastic last night.

 

[Stifler's mom]

Re: Cameron wood thats the sh1t

I agree Didaka. This bloke has all the physical tools and ability to become a very good ruck.

Hope this gives him the confidence to believe in himself and put in the hard work.

 

[Bay Pie]

I have just seen the stats, but I doubt very much that Cox had 30 hit outs....And I can clearly remember Cam Wood getting his hand to the ball first in all three quarters. Obviously the hit outs aren't accurate.

On the effectiveness of ruckmen at ruck contests, I always believe the amount of hit outs a ruckmen gets is not an indication of their dominance. Last night, both Josh and Cam put more pressure on both Cox and Seaby at stoppages. I thought the competitiveness of both Wood and Fraser meant that the ruck hit outs were of little importance. Interesting clearance finished 40 to 37 in Collingwoods favor.

Josh Fraser had 6 and has done well in this stat all year so far.

It's something we got smashed in, regularly last year but this year we have Pendles (same as Judd) & O'Bree in the top 10 in the league for clearances.

That is the stat that got us into 2 GFs'.

 

[DoubleO7]

Josh Fraser had 6 and has done well in this stat all year so far.

It's something we got smashed in, regularly last year but this year we have Pendles (same as Judd) & O'Bree in the top 10 in the league for clearances.

That is the stat that got us into 2 GFs'.

Pendlebury has won more clearances at a higher average per game.

 

[Coin_Toss]

Wood is 22 and yes he is due but some ruckman take this long to start hitting there straps. Primus was drafted, delisted and re-drafted at the age of 21. Matt allen who became a very good ruckman in the 90s did not start playing decent footy until he was 22,23. Jolly took a while to get going. Simmonds was not much chop until he got to richmond. Sandi, cox etc etc all took a fair bit of time to develop. The list could go on but very few ruckman have much of an impact in there first 3 or 4 years.

Great call.

Wood will develop into a pretty good ruckman. Last night was proof of that.

The two big boys (Fraser and Wood) monstered Cox and Seaby.

 

[SIDE BY SIDE]

Re: Cameron wood thats the sh1t

Its all for nothing if he doesn't come out and play well against port. The good thing is he played a lot of the game and fraser still did well, we dont need to run Josh into the ground to get the best out of him.

 

[Kirby]

It was clearly his best game for the club and shows that he has the ability to be a good player.

Let's hope that he can re-produce his form next week.

 

[Smoky]

Then the statisticians are morons. Watch the game again yourself.

The reason I checked the stats at 3 quarter time was because I couldnt remember Wood getting a clear tap for the game. I dare say the stats were right.

Wood definately deserves to keep his spot for his round the ground efforts and at least creating contests in the ruck... but it has been years since we've had a ruckman that can clearly tap to our mids advantage... I have not seen much from Wood that suggests that he is the solution to that problem. Fraser is a better ruckman but rarely when he wins a ruck contest does it clearly go to our mids advantage... more to their feet or 50/50 contests.

 

[Jabso]

The reason I checked the stats at 3 quarter time was because I couldnt remember Wood getting a clear tap for the game. I dare say the stats were right.

Wood definately deserves to keep his spot for his round the ground efforts and at least creating contests in the ruck... but it has been years since we've had a ruckman that can clearly tap to our mids advantage... I have not seen much from Wood that suggests that he is the solution to that problem. Fraser is a better ruckman but rarely when he wins a ruck contest does it clearly go to our mids advantage... more to their feet or 50/50 contests.

To me it looked as if both Wood and Fraser were instructed to negate Cox at ruck contests rather than try to win the taps themselves. It worked and the close attention really got to him.

The key to Wood really just is confidence. He didn't have a great game last week but he started to get the ball in the 2nd quarter last night and just grew from there.

 

[scruffydog]

I had a bizarre dream last night. I dreamt that Wood, who is one of the most pathetic players I've ever seen, actually had a blinder.

What an amazingly absurd dream.

 

[FIGJAM]

The reason I checked the stats at 3 quarter time was because I couldnt remember Wood getting a clear tap for the game. I dare say the stats were right.

Wood definately deserves to keep his spot for his round the ground efforts and at least creating contests in the ruck... but it has been years since we've had a ruckman that can clearly tap to our mids advantage... I have not seen much from Wood that suggests that he is the solution to that problem. Fraser is a better ruckman but rarely when he wins a ruck contest does it clearly go to our mids advantage... more to their feet or 50/50 contests.

Watch it again mate. I can recall many taps to advantage.

I guess part of the trouble is that Wood's taps to advantage aren't resulting in Mitchell/Sewell type clearances. That is partially due to our mids not expecting controlled taps from one of our ruckmen. Our mids often spilled them, so advantage destroyed.

I am watching the Dawks game now, and the other thing the ruck/mid combo needed is some structure. Sewell and Mitchell are both getting defensive side of their player and the ruck and getting the ruckman to drop it in the spot behind 2m behind the tap, then chk chk BOOM; clearance!

Right now, we don't have any of that, because our mids haven't had enough time with him (wasted a 1/3rd of the season rucking Brown/Bryan in support). I hope to see Swan, O'Bree, Pendlebury and Sidey start to get some synergy with Wood who controls his fair share of taps, and also throw in Beams and McCarthy when they come back.

Wacth the game again with a close eye on Wood's ruck contests, and you will see that the stats in this instance mean jack shit.