Prediction Carlton Consensus Best 22 (RESULTS ARE IN)

[Jeremias]

I don't think we'll see Gibbs spending significant time down back in 2017.

The club clearly sees him as a vital cog in our midfield and the changes we've made during the draft and trade periods won't change that.

We're also likely to see Adelaide re-engage with us at the end of the year, and we'll want for that to occur on the back of another good year in the midfield.

 

[Matty411]

I don't think we'll see Gibbs spending significant time down back in 2017.

The club clearly sees him as a vital cog in our midfield and the changes we've made during the draft and trade periods won't change that.

We're also likely to see Adelaide re-engage with us at the end of the year, and we'll want for that to occur on the back of another good year in the midfield.

Agree 100% J. Can't see us robbing ourselves of our 2nd best inside midfielder to play off the HBF, especially after so many years waiting for Gibba to transition to that role. Would much rather see us play Sheehan, Bucks or even March/Plow in that role. Hell maybe even Daisy could be useful, though his miskicks would kill our momentum more times than not.

 

[Soapy V]

If we're arguing about the make-up of our backing, the forward line thread should be a beauty

not arguing, discussing. major difference

 

[Soapy V]

I don't think we'll see Gibbs spending significant time down back in 2017.

There all midfielders now and with Cripps Curnow Curnow Cuningham Murphy SPS Palmer Fisher Polson Kerridge as centre square options, why not?

What I think we will see is lots of rotations and flexibility all over the ground

 

[BluesRule]

Well, that would be a surprise and I just can't see the benefit here.
If you're going to take any risks up front and if he does have his head in the right place, I'd throw Jaksch a protracted period there, to come good.

Isn't asking a 19 yo and a 20 yo to hold down the two key defensive posts, just a little too much, for now?
Weitering & Marchbank are both serious players and will have long futures at the club, but do we really want them to be fighting against the exceptionally strong key forwards in Hawkins, Lynch, Kennedy, Franklin etc etc week in, week out?

I don't know....maybe....but I just don't see it yet.

I think it will come down to match-ups a little.
Our first game is Richmond with Likely front 6 of:
Martin Griffiths Rioli
Lloyd Riewoldt Edwards

Dusty should be held by Doc (both can play midfield if required)
Griffiths will be held by Rowe? but could be decimated by a more attacking running tall like Marchbank if our team structures work?
Rioli and Simmo would be an interesting tussle, but I could see Simmo running away with the ball in hand on the intercept. Or would Sheehan or Buckley lock Rioli down better?

Weiters takes Reiwolt and hopefully makes him sulk all day.
Plowman on Lloyd should have an advantage for height.
Edwards is one of their best and Byrne could do a number on him if available and fit. If not Byrne though, is it Simmo, with Sheehan or Buckley on Rioli?

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

That frees up a spot for my favourite back-pocket player, Aaron the Aardvark.......

At least we know he's Aa quality.

 

[JustaBattler]

Plowman Marchbank Byrne
Docherty Weitering Sheehan

is what I'd like to see at some stage during the year.

Starting in round 1?

Plowman Rowe Marchbank
Docherty Weitering Simpson

is most likely in my book.

Marchbank is a lock to start - Plowman/Marchbank and Weitering are mobile talls in modern mould.

Guess: If Sheehan has a good preseason he will be played otherwise he wouldn't be on the list. Byrne will be played as soon as he is fit to run - probably late in year after a few games in VFL.

Pressure on Rowe to hold his position will increase (obviously) but same pressure will be on Plowman to provide more run and attack than he showed last year.

Docherty /Simpson are everyone's favourites because of their endeavour- but I think both have average at best kicking ability which is a real shame considering their other positives. Byrne is better than both as a runner and a kicker - so when Byrne is fit he will slot straight in - Simpson probably put onto a roving wing role which he was doing in second half of last year. Sheehan is beautiful kick and will go a long way to replacing Tuohy's ability IF he can get on the ground.

I think depth box is ticked down back when we consider McKreadie/GM/Jacksh/White/Thomas/Buckley.....

What a change from just 3 years ago....

SOS has put together what could be one of the best if not best defensive/rebound formations in AFL - give it a full year to develop and 2018 should see a top4 side combination emerge. In=juries aside I'd be surprised not to see all of Weitering/Marchbank/Byrne pushing for AA selection in a year or two.

Midfield? I guess that is next for consideration in the discussion. I think we already have a top8 midfield if Murphy stays on the park alongside Gibs/Cripps and E.Curnow - these will make it pretty easy for SPS/Pickett/Cuningham to get the ball in space and use their speed and smarts.

 

[Jeremias]

There all midfielders now and with Cripps Curnow Curnow Cuningham Murphy SPS Palmer Fisher Polson Kerridge as centre square options, why not?

I already told you why not - we're not moving a top 3 midfielder out of the midfield in arguably the most important year for him being there.

Gibbs may spend time back and forward on rotation but there is nothing surer than him spending the majority of his time through the middle of the ground.

It is fanciful to suggest that Charlie, Cuningham, Fisher or Polson in particular are going to push Bryce out of the midfield in the short term. He'll be there alongside Cripps, Curnow, Murphy, SPS etc. whilst giving opportunities to the younger players.

 

[Windhover]

Can't drop Rowe, can't play Marchbank in the 2s- we'll be looking very tall until Byrne comes back.

Isn't asking a 19 yo and a 20 yo to hold down the two key defensive posts, just a little too much, for now?
Weitering & Marchbank are both serious players and will have long futures at the club, but do we really want them to be fighting against the exceptionally strong key forwards in Hawkins, Lynch, Kennedy, Franklin etc etc week in, week out?

I don't know....maybe....but I just don't see it yet.

Agree with both these posts. Rowe is our best KPD to play all season on the strong key forwards that populate most lists. Continuity is important, particularly for the back 6, so selecting Rowe for FB on a week to week basis depending on match-ups is poor list development.

Agree with TerryW that we did not go for Marchbank to play for NBs.

Our best defence:

Marchbank, Rowe, Docherty
Simpson, Weitering, Byrne

Plowman to be on interchange.

In Byrne's absence it will depend on form and opponents but would really hope to see Sheehan have a bit of Irish luck ahead of Buckley. Otherwise we should see an increased rotation of midfielder types like E Curnow, Smedts, Daisy, Kerridge, Army and Gibbs going through.

 

[Magruder]

Rowe going forward makes most sense IF Weiterbot, Marchbank and Plowman are good to go. I don't think we'd play all four in D50.

Having said that, with McKay, CCurnow, Silvagni, Casboult and one of the rucks all fighting for spots in the forward line, it's difficult to judge who will play in the seconds for Rowe to be forward.

Bolt in the NBs with Rowe offering a Ruck option

 

[Magruder]

Agree with both these posts. Rowe is our best KPD to play all season on the strong key forwards that populate most lists. Continuity is important, particularly for the back 6, so selecting Rowe for FB on a week to week basis depending on match-ups is poor list development.

Agree with TerryW that we did not go for Marchbank to play for NBs.

Our best defence:

Marchbank, Rowe, Docherty
Simpson, Weitering, Byrne

Plowman to be on interchange.

In Byrne's absence it will depend on form and opponents but would really hope to see Sheehan have a bit of Irish luck ahead of Buckley. Otherwise we should see an increased rotation of midfielder types like E Curnow, Smedts, Daisy, Kerridge, Army and Gibbs going through.

You've convinced me - I've changed my vote.

On talent you'd have Plowman over Rowe, but perhaps not just yet

 

[Big Sim is Back]

Plowman Marchbank Simpson
Buckley Weitering Docherty

Would like to see Rowe as forward/ruck and Kreuzer or Phillips doing most of the rucking.

 

[ShanDog]

Agree with both these posts. Rowe is our best KPD to play all season on the strong key forwards that populate most lists. Continuity is important, particularly for the back 6, so selecting Rowe for FB on a week to week basis depending on match-ups is poor list development.

Agree with TerryW that we did not go for Marchbank to play for NBs.

Our best defence:

Marchbank, Rowe, Docherty
Simpson, Weitering, Byrne

Plowman to be on interchange.

In Byrne's absence it will depend on form and opponents but would really hope to see Sheehan have a bit of Irish luck ahead of Buckley. Otherwise we should see an increased rotation of midfielder types like E Curnow, Smedts, Daisy, Kerridge, Army and Gibbs going through.

Fair point, and something I hadn't really considered much is that Plowman has said for a long time he would like to play midfield. Perhaps that's one option the club will go with.

 

[ferrisb]

My back 6

Plowman / Marchbank / Docherty
Simpson / Weiters / Byrne

Spread

That makes it two talls, one third tall, two mid-sized and one small defender.

To Rowe or not to Rowe

I think Rowe needs to be in the team. But I don't want to kick out any of my 6. Plowman would be the 'weakest' of my 6, but I think he stays in the 6/22.

+1

IMO we will play at least 1 spare man in defense, so we could easily fit Rowe in there. Plus someone will be injured at any given time, so he's 7th in line but prob plays a lot in the first 6...

Too tall?

Does adding Rowe to my 6 make us too tall? Rowe and Marchbank would play as two talls and Weiters as a roaming 3rd tall/sweeper. Plowman as a medium-sizer and the others as 'running backs'. I think given how mobile and athletic Weitering and Marchbank are for their height, we wouldn't be as static as you would think playing 3 x 195cm+ players.

Byrne baby Byrne

My squad and others' assumes Byrne is fit. Until then Sheehan is probably plug and play (hamstrings willing). If both Irish boys are not fit, you would sub in a Buckley/Sumner/Smedts/other. These are less than ideal selections.

 

[slashin_velvet]

Surely the player voted 7th selection for the team gets a spot on the bench?

Have it so you pick the forward and back 6, and the 7ths get spots on the bench.

Then for mids you pick 6 players and up to 8th gets the last 2 posts on the bench.

 

[ferrisb]

Surely the player voted 7th selection for the team gets a spot on the bench?

Have it so you pick the forward and back 6, and the 7ths get spots on the bench.

Then for mids you pick 6 players and up to 8th gets the last 2 posts on the bench.

I would have thought you would do the backs, mid and fwd 6s, then it's open slather for the bench spots.

I like your idea though, it ensures some balance on the bench.

 

[Matty411]

I would have thought you would do the backs, mid and fwd 6s, then it's open slather for the bench spots.

I like your idea though, it ensures some balance on the bench.

Initially, my idea was to do top six for the starting spots then vote for four bench spots, but I like this idea much better as most likely will see a bench rotation of: 1 x mid, 1 x ruck/fwd, 1 x forward utility and 1 x back utility such e.g. Cuningham, Phillips, White and Plowman

EDIT: Have updated OP to reflect this.

1. Will vote for 6 best backs (starters), 7th player gets bench spot
2. Will vote for 6 starting mids (inc. ruck), 7th player gets bench spot
3. Will vote for 6 starting forwards, 7th player gets bench spot
4. Remaining interchange position (22nd spot) will be open slather depending on team mix, next three players make up emergencies

 

[Soapy V]

I already told you why not.

I apologise. I didn't realise I had been told.


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[SurreyBlue]

Byrne Rowe Marchbank
Plowman Weitering Docherty

Rowe's replacentn to be Macreade when ready.

 

[Matty411]

Byrne Rowe Marchbank
Plowman Weitering Docherty

Rowe's replacentn to be Macreade when ready.

Seems that way SB! Rowe to take a spot on the bench and rightful spot in the 22 for 2017 but feel by 2018 he will lose his spot. Come R1, I think Plow will start as that running HB role in a test, while Rowe will be FB on Griffiths.

 

[RudyBlue]

I would have thought you would do the backs, mid and fwd 6s, then it's open slather for the bench spots.

I like your idea though, it ensures some balance on the bench.

I can imagine the Doggies' poll having 6 'talls' spots and 16 midfield spots. The bottom 4 mids go on the bench.

 

[RudyBlue]

Rowe's replacentn to be Macreade when ready.

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[Aphrodite]

Poll results for Defenders:-

• Kade Simpson
  101 vote(s)
  93.5%

• Sam Docherty
  108 vote(s)
  100.0%

• Sam Rowe
  38 vote(s)
  35.2%

• Dylan Buckley
  4 vote(s)
  3.7%

• Kristian Jaksch
  1 vote(s)
  0.9%

• Lachie Plowman
  101 vote(s)
  93.5%

• Caleb Marchbank
  93 vote(s)
  86.1%

• Jacob Weitering
  106 vote(s)
  98.1%

• Harrison Macreadie
  1 vote(s)
  0.9%

• Tom Williamson
  0 vote(s)
  0.0%

• Ciaran Byrne
  83 vote(s)
  76.9%

• Simon White
  1 vote(s)
  0.9%

• Ciaran Sheehan
  7 vote(s)
  6.5%

• Jesse Glass-McCasker
  0 vote(s)
  0.0%

• Alex Silvagni
  1 vote(s)
  0.9%

 

[Arr0w]

Damn I missed the deadline. This is what I would like our backline to look like game 1

Simpson - Rowe - Plowman
Docherty - Weitering - Gibbs

Quality disposal, relative speed, balanced, intercept marking.

 

[TheCoach16]

I would have thought you would do the backs, mid and fwd 6s, then it's open slather for the bench spots.

I like your idea though, it ensures some balance on the bench.

I'd go a permanent back 6, that are guaranteed their spots unless their form drops away significantly...

Then four specialist forwards. Players who's job it is to kick and create goals. Genuine forwards...

Then ten mids. Or at least ten that have the ability to rotate through there. Obviously a couple of them will need to float through the forward line...

Last two spots reserved for the two players in the best form from the remainder...

Please tell that's 22, or I'll be so embarrassed!...