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I watched the Carlton v Richmond match last night to see what we are in for.

Here are my observations:

Carlton are Fevola mad. When under pressure, their standard play is to kick to a set position either at the top of the goalsquare or around the 50m arc directly in front. Richmond seemed to do OK at countering this. They always had extra players lurking in those spots to prevent a Fevola and Joel Bowden one-on-one. We must do the same. Milburn plays this role quite well. Whoever else is back there – usually Corey or Enright – needs to run to these positions as well. We also need to be aware of the long range on Fevola’s kicking. He leads right up outside the 50m arc because he can make the distance from 60m. Whoever plays on him – Scarlett most likely – needs to push him wide. Fev’s kicking was poor so don’t give him any easy shots.

Waite started in defence, lined up on Polak, which surprised me. He wasn’t doing well at all and it wasn’t until later in the match when he went forward that he had a positive influence on the game. I would expect him to start forward against us, unless we go with three talls again, in which case he’ll be forced into defence and he’ll then get Nathan Ablett. If he plays forward, he’s a dangerous type – very good above his head but also at ground level. A difficult match up, but I would go with Milburn.

Carlton have Ackland and Cloke in the ruck. They are C-grade ruckman who did only fairly against Pattison and Polak. We have two options. One is to play Ottens predominantly in the ruck who will dominate against those two. This would leave Mooney and Nathan as the key targets but would release Waite to play forward for Carlton. The second option is to play Blake predominantly in the ruck which would leave Ottens to play mostly forward. Blake would hold his own in ruck contests but could only hope to break even around the ground. Learning from last week though, three tall forward targets are perhaps too many. So it might be wise to start with Ottens in the ruck to see how a smaller structure goes. This will have the added benefit of creating a headache for Carlton when resting Ottens for 5-10 minutes each quarter at full forward.

Whitnall is woefully out of form. Whoever plays on him needs to run off him regularly. Make him a liability. Perhaps Egan can play this role.

Overall, Carlton probably only played 30 minutes of quality football during the match. They seem to be a burst team with a lot of burst players. When they were going well, they had a lot of runners both off half back and through the middle of the ground. They weren’t afraid to leave the contest to create loose players on the attacking side of the pack. They like to run the ball because their foot skills aren’t terribly good. Stevens is the barometer of their team. When Carlton are struggling he is nowhere to be seen but once the flow of play is with them he seems to be everywhere. I would be tempted to leave him alone to start with and back ourselves to starve him of supply. If he gets too much of it, Ling will go to him.

If Carlton get a run-on, slow the game down. They have the ability to kick 4 or 5 goals quickly. We are good in the contests so make it tight. Force some ball-ups. Get a couple of midfielders behind the ball. Put pressure on and they will cough it up.

Carlton will turn the ball over far more often than the Bulldogs and we need to capitalise on this. We need Wojcinski to do as he did last week, rebounding off half back. We need Chapman in the midfield for his pace and good ball use. Most of all, we need to move the ball quickly after a turnover. We need to run it because we seem to stop-start when we try to spot up targets. Make it a team rule – on a turnover, use the space in front of you, run into it, run in numbers and handball. If you take a mark, play on with a handball to someone RUNNING past (NOT standing still) or wheel around and kick long.

This will be an interesting test for Geelong. Carlton, to my mind, are not a finals side so if Geelong can’t stamp authority on this game, we are going to struggle throughout the season.
 
Great analysis catempire. I think this is a big test for Geelong. Although it only round 2, I think if we lose this one Bomber might be on the fasttrack to a sacking. I think we should start with Ottens in the ruck as he was dismissal against the Bulldogs playing foward.
 
Interesting summary.......but if I may

Carlton are Fevola mad. When under pressure, their standard play is to kick to a set position either at the top of the goalsquare or around the 50m arc directly in front. Richmond seemed to do OK at countering this.
No doubting we look for Fev more than any other team looks for their FF.
Be Warned though, we kicked 15 goals. Fev had 3. 3 Other players kicked 2 and we had 10 goal kickers. Push too many hard back to Fev and our loose players will capitalise.

Waite started in defence, lined up on Polak, which surprised me. He wasn’t doing well at all and it wasn’t until later in the match when he went forward that he had a positive influence on the game. I would expect him to start forward against us, unless we go with three talls again, in which case he’ll be forced into defence and he’ll then get Nathan Ablett. If he plays forward, he’s a dangerous type – very good above his head but also at ground level. A difficult match up, but I would go with Milburn.

Waite didn't have his best game in defence, but as you say, if you go tall he will start there, but probably on Mooney IMO.
Thornton on N. Ablett, and O'hAilpin on Ottens.

Carlton have Ackland and Cloke in the ruck. They are C-grade ruckman who did only fairly against Pattison and Polak. We have two options. One is to play Ottens predominantly in the ruck who will dominate against those two.

I haven't seen the teams but judging by your comments King isn't back.
To say they did fairly against Pattison/Polak is not accurate. Hit outs were 37 to 15.
The trend continues, however, that no-one in the opposition rates either, and won't accept that Cloke at least, has improved his ruck work greatly.
Yet to be tested against genuine rucks (in season - they did beat all of their opponents in Hille/Laycock, McIntosh/Hale/Moran, Campbell/Renouf, Woods/McDonald in thew NAB cup - some of whom are very good)

Overall, Carlton probably only played 30 minutes of quality football during the match. They seem to be a burst team with a lot of burst players. When they were going well, they had a lot of runners both off half back and through the middle of the ground. They weren’t afraid to leave the contest to create loose players on the attacking side of the pack. They like to run the ball because their foot skills aren’t terribly good. Stevens is the barometer of their team. When Carlton are struggling he is nowhere to be seen but once the flow of play is with them he seems to be everywhere. I would be tempted to leave him alone to start with and back ourselves to starve him of supply. If he gets too much of it, Ling will go to him.
I would argue we played 30 mins of poor footy. The second quarter was the only time we looked like loosing. Had we kicked straight the game would have been over at 3/4 time.
Stevens has been tearing it up WITH taggers and is the fittest he has been for his entire career. Please......PLEASE leave him alone. He will then have 6 votes from 2 matches. :thumbsu:

If Carlton get a run-on, slow the game down. They have the ability to kick 4 or 5 goals quickly. We are good in the contests so make it tight. Force some ball-ups. Get a couple of midfielders behind the ball. Put pressure on and they will cough it up.

Carlton will turn the ball over far more often than the Bulldogs and we need to capitalise on this. We need Wojcinski to do as he did last week, rebounding off half back. We need Chapman in the midfield for his pace and good ball use. Most of all, we need to move the ball quickly after a turnover. We need to run it because we seem to stop-start when we try to spot up targets. Make it a team rule – on a turnover, use the space in front of you, run into it, run in numbers and handball. If you take a mark, play on with a handball to someone RUNNING past (NOT standing still) or wheel around and kick long.

Lets just hope for your sake that if you slow it down, and put numbers behind the ball that its more effective than when the Tiges did it. This tactic cost them the game.

Agree that will will make more mistakes than the Dogs, and if you can capitalise on them (which is what the Tiges did in the second Q) then you may get on top of us. This is the big danger for us.

This will be an interesting test for Geelong. Carlton, to my mind, are not a finals side so if Geelong can’t stamp authority on this game, we are going to struggle throughout the season.
Agreed. We are aiming for 6-10 wins, and this would not have been one of them IMO.
Given form though, a young side on a roll may just have the momentum to upset you.
Good luck on Sat night. :thumbsu:
 

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Interesting stat I just discovered on pro-stats.com.au. Since 2000, Geelong and Carlton have played 9 times, with Geelong just shading Carlton 5-4, but Carlton's 4 wins have come at either Optus Oval or the MCG, whereas Geelong's wins have all been at Telstra Dome. Does this mean that since we're playing at TD, we're gonna win, or is that too simplistic a view?
 
Interesting stat I just discovered on pro-stats.com.au. Since 2000, Geelong and Carlton have played 9 times, with Geelong just shading Carlton 5-4, but Carlton's 4 wins have come at either Optus Oval or the MCG, whereas Geelong's wins have all been at Telstra Dome. Does this mean that since we're playing at TD, we're gonna win, or is that too simplistic a view?

A tad simplistic maybe but I hope its true ;)
 
Interesting stat I just discovered on pro-stats.com.au. Since 2000, Geelong and Carlton have played 9 times, with Geelong just shading Carlton 5-4, but Carlton's 4 wins have come at either Optus Oval or the MCG, whereas Geelong's wins have all been at Telstra Dome. Does this mean that since we're playing at TD, we're gonna win, or is that too simplistic a view?
We almost beat you there.

But Riccardi is a cheat :)
 
Thanks for your comments Bluebear.

I just called it as I saw it.

Richmond are probably a bottom 3 side. You won’t have it as easy against us as you did them.

Bluebear said:
No doubting we look for Fev more than any other team looks for their FF.
Be Warned though, we kicked 15 goals. Fev had 3. 3 Other players kicked 2 and we had 10 goal kickers. Push too many hard back to Fev and our loose players will capitalise.

We must cover a player that had the ball kicked to him on 22 occasions last week. He is your go-to man. Fevola will need to kick 5 to beat Geelong.

Bluebear said:
Waite didn't have his best game in defence, but as you say, if you go tall he will start there, but probably on Mooney IMO.
Thornton on N. Ablett, and O'hAilpin on Ottens.

I lined him up on Nathan for mobility. He plays very mobile for a KPP and Waite would match up well on him. I’m not sure Thornton is dynamic enough.

Bluebear said:
I haven't seen the teams but judging by your comments King isn't back.
To say they did fairly against Pattison/Polak is not accurate. Hit outs were 37 to 15.
The trend continues, however, that no-one in the opposition rates either, and won't accept that Cloke at least, has improved his ruck work greatly.
Yet to be tested against genuine rucks (in season - they did beat all of their opponents in Hille/Laycock, McIntosh/Hale/Moran, Campbell/Renouf, Woods/McDonald in thew NAB cup - some of whom are very good)

King isn’t back.

I called it as only “fairly” because of the opposition they were up against. Pattison is raw and Polak isn’t a true ruckman.

Cloke was delisted. There’s a reason for that. Let’s see how he goes against a genuine ruckman (Ottens) in an AFL match.

Bluebear said:
I would argue we played 30 mins of poor footy. The second quarter was the only time we looked like loosing. Had we kicked straight the game would have been over at 3/4 time.
Stevens has been tearing it up WITH taggers and is the fittest he has been for his entire career. Please......PLEASE leave him alone. He will then have 6 votes from 2 matches.

Again, I called it as I saw it. It was pretty much break even in the first quarter. Richmond dominated the second and up until about half way third. Carlton turned it around from then on.

Stevens was quiet, IMO, until Carlton turned it on (not coincidentally). He’s a front-runner, so my point is that if Geelong gets on top we need not worry about him.

Notice how even though he played a great game last encounter, it didn't do you much good?

Bluebear said:
Lets just hope for your sake that if you slow it down, and put numbers behind the ball that its more effective than when the Tiges did it. This tactic cost them the game.

Again, that was Richmond. You won’t have it so easy this week.

Bluebear said:
Given form though, a young side on a roll may just have the momentum to upset you.

I agree. Geelong will need to be on top of things. It’s a danger game.
 
Interesting stat I just discovered on pro-stats.com.au. Since 2000, Geelong and Carlton have played 9 times, with Geelong just shading Carlton 5-4, but Carlton's 4 wins have come at either Optus Oval or the MCG, whereas Geelong's wins have all been at Telstra Dome. Does this mean that since we're playing at TD, we're gonna win, or is that too simplistic a view?

The last Carlton win against us was that debacle at Optarse Oval early in 2004.

In the other 4 out of the past 5 we've won by an average of 58 points.

I'm not convinced Carlton are a 59 point better side than last time we met them.
 
The last Carlton win against us was that debacle at Optarse Oval early in 2004.

In the other 4 out of the past 5 we've won by an average of 58 points.

I'm not convinced Carlton are a 59 point better side than last time we met them.

It reallys depend on which Geelong shows up...I think our midfield is really onfire. If we can put enough pressure on your midfield then your forwards ie. Ottens etc.. will struggle. I'm tipping a close match. :)
 
The last Carlton win against us was that debacle at Optarse Oval early in 2004.

In the other 4 out of the past 5 we've won by an average of 58 points.

I'm not convinced Carlton are a 59 point better side than last time we met them.
Nah where only a 30 point better side the problem is your a 29 point worse one.

Also just to point out the obvious use looked very slow last week. is the because use are slow by feet or more to do with your game plan and do use think anyone will come into your team to ad a little flair such as Dj.
 
Nah where only a 30 point better side the problem is your a 29 point worse one.

Also just to point out the obvious use looked very slow last week. is the because use are slow by feet or more to do with your game plan and do use think anyone will come into your team to ad a little flair such as Dj.

Can we get a translator in here?
 
The last Carlton win against us was that debacle at Optarse Oval early in 2004.

In the other 4 out of the past 5 we've won by an average of 58 points.

I'm not convinced Carlton are a 59 point better side than last time we met them.

Wasn't having a crack at you CE, just thought I'd give the opposing view. It will be a good test for our young list.

I don't think the Tiges thought we were a 62 point better side than the ones that played them last, but 45 shots on goal to 20 is a pumping, and is better than 30 mins of good footy. :thumbsu:
 

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Wasn't having a crack at you CE, just thought I'd give the opposing view. It will be a good test for our young list.

I don't think the Tiges thought we were a 62 point better side than the ones that played them last, but 45 shots on goal to 20 is a pumping, and is better than 30 mins of good footy. :thumbsu:

Seventeen points is by no means "a pumping". Bad kicking is bad football. If you only deliver the same length of period of quality football against us, I'm confident we'll have your measure.
 
Seventeen points is by no means "a pumping". Bad kicking is bad football. If you only deliver the same length of period of quality football against us, I'm confident we'll have your measure.

And the cats were outstanding against the dogs ??? listening to the garbage you posted about the Carlton Ricmond game one would assume that Richmond won ...and the same garbage you are spouting about the Cats makes me think that they played outstanding football against the dogs but were just pipped at the post ..Fact ..Carlton thrashed Richmond ..it is only poor goal kicking that kept the Tigers in it .
fact 2 ..the Cats were absolutely garbage last week and looked as soft as butter ..if they serve that stuff up again this week they will lose yet again !
sorry for introducing you to reality ..feel free to go back to your rose coloured dreaming .
 
Seventeen points is by no means "a pumping". Bad kicking is bad football. If you only deliver the same length of period of quality football against us, I'm confident we'll have your measure.

If we have 45 scoring attempts to 20 against you it will be all over. Fev is usually one of the best kicks, and had an off night - unlikely to kick that badly at the TD. It also says that where the Tiges were pumped - while not on the scoreboard - was in the midfield, to allow us that much use of the football.

But please, carry on underrating us :thumbsu:
 
And the cats were outstanding against the dogs ??? listening to the garbage you posted about the Carlton Ricmond game one would assume that Richmond won ...and the same garbage you are spouting about the Cats makes me think that they played outstanding football against the dogs but were just pipped at the post ..Fact ..Carlton thrashed Richmond ..it is only poor goal kicking that kept the Tigers in it .
fact 2 ..the Cats were absolutely garbage last week and looked as soft as butter ..if they serve that stuff up again this week they will lose yet again !
sorry for introducing you to reality ..feel free to go back to your rose coloured dreaming .

Hardly champ. Careful not to bowl me over with your super convincing arguments there. I'm sorry, I mean "facts".

If we have 45 scoring attempts to 20 against you it will be all over. Fev is usually one of the best kicks, and had an off night - unlikely to kick that badly at the TD. It also says that where the Tiges were pumped - while not on the scoreboard - was in the midfield, to allow us that much use of the football.

But please, carry on underrating us :thumbsu:

Do you realise that I watched your match as a neutral observer?

I reiterate, I've called it how I saw it.
 
Hardly champ. Careful not to bowl me over with your super convincing arguments there. I'm sorry, I mean "facts".


Do you realise that I watched your match as a neutral observer?

I reiterate, I've called it how I saw it.

Sure, whether you are neutral or bias doesn't really matter. The scoreboard is all you need to look at.
The Tiges were lucky to be in that game, I know, they know it, everyone at the ground knew it.........and besides some oppositions fans who continue to delude themselves about how crap we are, everyone else knows it.

Not saying we are world beaters yet, but don't make the mistake of thinking that you are playing the same team you have for the past few year.
I'm not looking to troll or start a fight here, so I'll leave your board and discussion for now until something fresh arrives......I think we have covered this.;)
 

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geelong has made this our forte of late...not only bad delivery to our forwards but terrible kicking for goal by our forwards.
Agreed. Past three years at least.
 

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