So tell us this. Is Toumpas an outlier or a trend? If leadership is a kid's quality is he more likely to fail or succeed?
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List Mgmt. Carlton's 2018 Draft Thread (cont. in Part 2)
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thylacine60
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reckon that's close - I got to 16 or 17 players.........
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Everything should come into play.
Just because Toumpas sucked doesnt mean we should discount that quality.
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33 and a third and I am interested ...lets just put that on the record ........
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Lucky it's not 78. Can be difficult to find a turntable to cope.
12 x Top 10 & then if you add in other first rounders Cripps, Charlie, Garlett, Kennedy, Lang then we hit 17.
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Looks like I missed my derail opp..
And Docherty & Lobbe.
+ Cuningham later but still end of rnd1 (same for Lamb).
Top 10 = 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 10, Setterfield, 20, 22, 23, 33, 39
Others = 7, 9, 15, 16, 21, 27, 28, 30,
Forgot the Doc & didn't consider Lobbe because he was drafted so long ago.
Cuningham at Pick 23 doesn't really = Round 1 in my eyes & Lamb is currently not on our list (& most likely won't be after drafts are completed).
Lobbe = Kreuzer’s draft.
And if we add Hugh Goddard, same as Cuningham, still classed as 1st round (especially for Ch7).
I do not want him thin. I just want him fit and firing and a dangerous tank on field like his relative, Bryon was. He probably has the ability to be better than Byron.
What are you fossils on about ?
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Doesn’t mean all that much really ... Gorringe, Sumner, Jaksch and Rhys Palmer were all Top 10 picks ...
Great that SOS and his team draft players like Williamson and Fisher with lower picks, something we couldn’t do before.
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A bit of a nothing article by Jake Niall
ferrisb
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I think that's the point, Gappy.
We've had a bazillion high picks and it's got us nowhere.
No longer will we pin our hopes solely on a bunch of highly touted pimply kids to pull the club out of its spiral.
To be successful you need to be able to
- identify talent all the way through the draft (and the rookie draft)
- trade in missing pieces for decent value
- develop the talent to reach its potential
- cleverly manage the salary cap and list balance
- maximise fitness and health, minimising injuries
- coaching, etc etc
Still some unproven elements, but I see signs that we are working on a wholistic approach to building a successful list - so much more than ever before.
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Sounds like retaining pick 1 isn't our preferred option.
It also sounds like if GC have offered picks 3 & 6, they want something significant in return such as our future first.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...-as-few-as-three-players-20181112-p50fhm.html
Extract:
"The Blues have long been thought to have earmarked midfielder Sam Walsh as their first selection. That certainty drifted in recent weeks with dynamic South Australian forward Izak Rankine being touted as a serious option."
"A trade for pick one would be entertained only if Carlton could secure two top-10 picks, including one high selection, in the exchange. Port Adelaide, Gold Coast and GWS all have multiple early picks."
"Port have picks five and 10, which is believed to appeal to the Blues, but with several South Australians likely to go high in the draft, Port may be reluctant to barter. Gold Coast have picks two, three and six and would have to offer at least three and six, but it is believed the Suns will not pull that trigger."
It also sounds like if GC have offered picks 3 & 6, they want something significant in return such as our future first.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...-as-few-as-three-players-20181112-p50fhm.html
Extract:
"The Blues have long been thought to have earmarked midfielder Sam Walsh as their first selection. That certainty drifted in recent weeks with dynamic South Australian forward Izak Rankine being touted as a serious option."
"A trade for pick one would be entertained only if Carlton could secure two top-10 picks, including one high selection, in the exchange. Port Adelaide, Gold Coast and GWS all have multiple early picks."
"Port have picks five and 10, which is believed to appeal to the Blues, but with several South Australians likely to go high in the draft, Port may be reluctant to barter. Gold Coast have picks two, three and six and would have to offer at least three and six, but it is believed the Suns will not pull that trigger."
It wouldn't surprise should there be a bit of a push from inside for Rankine.
Not that there should be, but you'd imagine that the executive would like a player with a profile and one that may put bums on seats.
That's nothing against the other players but Rankine is the wildcard in this deck.
Pull the trigger at #1? Unlikely, but some may not be unhappy should SOS and co, go that way.
Sucks for you guys.
I had the veal....I'll be here all week...
How are your calves???
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This is the very reason West Coast won this year. Back line was dominant and McGovern sealed the deal.
Charlie Curnow will put bums on seats, especially if we improve our midfield.
He will and already does, but Rankine could only add to the dynamic of the forward line.
That's not the only reason to take him of course, but if he can replicate some of the stuff he's been doing in his past couple of years on the big stage, you'd pay to see him above any other player in this draft.
You can then understand why some may want him above a 'safe' player.
Two of Rankine, Rozee & Smith pls SOS.
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Starting to think we may see some convoluted multi-club trade at the top end.
Gold Coast send Picks 6 and 29 to St Kilda for Pick 4.
Gold Coast send Pick 4 to Adelaide for Picks 8 and 16.
Gold Coast trade Picks 3 and 8 to Carlton for Pick 1.
Gold Coast turn 3 and 6 into 1 and 16.
St Kilda shuffle back a few (unimportant) spots to get back into the second round.
Adelaide pay a slight premium but position themselves to get one of the big 2 SA boys (ahead of Port).
Carlton get their two top 10 picks, including one inside the top 3.
Does that get everyone what they want?
1 - GC (Walsh)
2 - GC (B. King)
3 - Car (Rankine)
4 - Ade (Lukosius)
5 - PA (Smith)
6 - StK (M. King)
7 - WB (Caldwell/Rozee)
8 - Car (Caldwell/Rozee)
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13 - Ade (Hately/RCD)
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16 - GC (Jones/Butters/Stocker)
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29 - StK (Bytel/Koschitzke?)
Gold Coast send Picks 6 and 29 to St Kilda for Pick 4.
Gold Coast send Pick 4 to Adelaide for Picks 8 and 16.
Gold Coast trade Picks 3 and 8 to Carlton for Pick 1.
Gold Coast turn 3 and 6 into 1 and 16.
St Kilda shuffle back a few (unimportant) spots to get back into the second round.
Adelaide pay a slight premium but position themselves to get one of the big 2 SA boys (ahead of Port).
Carlton get their two top 10 picks, including one inside the top 3.
Does that get everyone what they want?
1 - GC (Walsh)
2 - GC (B. King)
3 - Car (Rankine)
4 - Ade (Lukosius)
5 - PA (Smith)
6 - StK (M. King)
7 - WB (Caldwell/Rozee)
8 - Car (Caldwell/Rozee)
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13 - Ade (Hately/RCD)
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16 - GC (Jones/Butters/Stocker)
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29 - StK (Bytel/Koschitzke?)
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