List Mgmt. Carlton's 2019 Draft Thread

[ferrisb]

I reckon he goes before us FB. Soz. 9 clubs (we will drop one) arent passing on a kid who runs 2.97 for 20, 6 flat for 2km, kicks well both feet, has great awareness in traffic and a good footy brain....just because he’s a bit skinny. Not in this draft anyway. Last year sure. Not this year. Don’t see it. He doesn’t get past Freo I don’t think.

Do they have booze buses in Adelaide?

Asking for a friend...

 

[jooce8891]

still want kemp

 

[Coona Blues]

Do they have booze buses in Adelaide?

Asking for a friend...

Can we arrange a night out for both Dylan and Kysaiah? The SA based boys. Pretty much the dream combo for our needs. Stephens needs a little luck to get to us, Pickett a bloody miracle as it stands. Somebody arrange pick 20ish from somewhere please....lookin' at you SOS.

 

[Coona Blues]

still want kemp

Kemp on potential for sure. However virtually scratch 2020 and cross fingers beyond. Stephens fits the needs and is a safer bet.

 

[windows1]

Ok Murphster. You’ve won me over. Your boy Pickett has better endurance than I’d expected. He’s not gonna be there at 43 mate. Clubs value forward pockets much higher now. I’d say in the 20s he’s gone.

 

[murphster]

Ok Murphster. You’ve won me over. Your boy Pickett has better endurance than I’d expected. He’s not gonna be there at 43 mate. Clubs value forward pockets much higher now. I’d say in the 20s he’s gone.

I know that’s why we need to secure a pick in the 20s to improve our chances, although we saw Gryan Myers get out to 56 I think it was so you never know. Also I’m beginning to think that maybe Serong might just slide out to our pick at 9 which would be fantastic for us, just a gut feel.

 

[ferrisb]

I know that’s why we need to secure a pick in the 20s to improve our chances, although we saw Gryan Myers get out to 56 I think it was so you never know.

Pffft.

Spend a top 50 pick on a guy named Gryan?

'Sif, mate

 

[BigBreakfast]

As is my way, I posted most of my thoughts earlier in post #1054. Will reiterate some here and add a couple more thoughts. Will be lengthy.

Pre injury, I rated Kemp (along with Rowell) as the best prospect in the up coming draft. So much to like size, pace, skills and the ability to play virtually anywhere. Just projects as the epitome of the modern day footballer. Where his ACL leaves him in rankings will be a club by club thing. Would have no objection if we take the gamble and make him a Blue if he slides.

What we need most to add to our already spectacular group of youngsters is pace, skill and precision by foot. The epitome of this in the top end of the draft is undoubtedly Dylan Stephens. Currently slightly built, but performed admirably at SANFL level against mature bodies regardless. Surely has to be high on our wish list. Oh, and a Blues supporter FWIW. Two way runner, would immediately join Windows' "Oxygen brothers".

I have Kysaiah "Kossie" Pickett on my wish list. The diminutive forward has all of the attributes one looks for in a small forward. Speed, athleticism, skill and anticipation, yet he has a hard edge and want to adopt the team first approach. While doubting the chance of him reaching us with our current picks, I would support some imaginative pick swapping to get him to Ikon Park. I tend to not buy into the hype too readily attached to some indigenous youngsters with a bit of flair, but this kid stands up to any scrutiny in my book. Similarly the more highly rated Liam Henry, who is as much mid as forward, but is unfortunately tied to the Freo NGA, and won't be passed up.

Should we not have access to Stephens or Kemp, I see Deven Robertson as a failsafe high end midfielder. The Larke medallist at the U18 championship broke Walshy's disposal records, so gets plenty of it, particularly inside. A tackling machine, with the only knock being average disposal by foot. Plenty of highly effective inside mids have sub par disposal. I simply rate him a better prospect than other possible sliders like Ash and even possibly Sarong. For the record, I see Flanders as a very promising forward, just doesn't do it for me as a midfielder and accordingly don't rate him as highly as others.

It would seem that Luke Jackson is going to command some interest in the top 10. A star ruck at the lower level, perhaps marginally undersized, although already taller than Mumford and Ryder. Would not be distraught if we were to pick him, however I like DeKoning and we are said to have plenty of faith in his trajectory. Pittonet also promising and alleviates any urgent need to reach for a ruck at the top end, regardless of how well he projects. (I still believe we will have Henry Walsh on the radar next year, who will be slow burn), fitting better in to our list progression than an athlete deemed to be almost ready to go.

Your post asked for my personal likes, so I will continue from here with them......

Cooper Stephens is my big watch. First came to my attention as an underager, when someone mentioned that our recruiters were watching him closely. At that time didn't have the faintest who he was, so went looking and have watched since. The profiles will tell you he has a big body and plays inside, with good leadership and a penetrating kick. Broken leg early in the season, with no playing time late, but tested brilliantly at the combine. Is his natural athleticism and endurance at a high level, or does he want it that much to build up after a long term injury, or of course both.

Similarly Sam Philp came to my attention through the season. Overlooked for the Metro team, but just kept racking them up through the year, with the bulk of his possession at the coal face, doing the grunt work. Good size, and again tested brilliantly at the combine, particularly in the area of speed. Great attribute for an inside player, suggesting to me, plenty of scope to become an effective hybrid inside/outside type. Could be a reach and go in the second round or drift further on his current profile. Shapes as a great value pick.

Late first found is the likely spot for Trent Rivers, but I have a big watch on him. Just showed so much scope, inside, outside, skillful, aggressive, can play virtually anywhere other than KPP/ruck, and even then may be effective as an undersized 3rd tall type. Perhaps vies for the title of the player with the greatest "hidden" ceiling. Can see why Arrow is so keen.

My watch list has Elijah Taylor, x factor medium forward from the west and Tom's "little" brother Sam De Koning who will ultimately be a valuable asset on an AFL list in a few years. Still growing like his brother, so likely to reach 204cm(ish) so very tall KPD who could project to be a ruck down the track.. Brock Smith just projects as the consummate professional defender. Still slight, but at 188cm likely to play that jack of all trades defender. Lock down and some quality rebounding. Good value if he makes it to our current third pick. Darcy Casar small/medium utility, back forward and midfield credentials through his junior career, projects as a defender first to me. Flynn Perez missed the season with a dreaded ACL, but was projected as a high pick as a quality medium defender and may be worth a gamble. I have a little watch on Hugo Ralph-Smith as an athletic outside type as well.

Clearly small forward is a position of need, so I will highlight Jack Mahony as a small midfielder/forward with good numbers and great disposal. A couple of reports have him in the same discussion as Cody Weightman for class and potential. Under the radar, may be a great get if the preferred targets are unavailable with our second and third picks. (I am "concerned" that Sam Gray remains unsigned, personally a bit reluctant to pick up such a mature DFA on top of Eddie, draft please SOS). The last value small forward I will mention is Josh D'Intinasante. Despite consecutive B&F awards as a mid in his underage year and more time forward last season, he is largely unheralded. Just a genuine footballer seemingly devoid of wow factor, but gets the job done. Again if we miss out higher, I would advocate using a late pick.

Like my previous post, I would suggest Sam Fisher and Frank Anderson would not be out of place on our list, but are likely to be overlooked with our plethora of young talent suggesting no real need for mature depth midfield types. Again Kye Quirk, grandson of Carlton "legend" Bryan is my late/rookie "bolter". Played a handful of Northern Blues games last season, and to me immediately outplayed the likes of senior listed Schumacher and Cottrell (who I like). Hard at it mix of athleticism and skills, with an historic connection. That last rookie spot looks bloody attractive for him.

It would not be a popular opinion as most posters want to trade for mature players, but I would happily trade our 2020 first out for two picks in the 20-30 range in this draft. There is enough on offer in that range to grab two quality players, with Pickett IMO offering a great possibility as our frontline small forward for a decade or more. I firmly believe we have enough front line talent going forward, and would have greater concern with filling gaps than adding perceived elite trades.

Lengthy post, but time on my hands and answering a request. Those looking for content will read, the more casual posters may not.

Great research, Coona. Much appreciated.

 

[murphster]

Anyone know much about Cody Hurst, might be an interesting option late, was rated pretty highly before Sydney took him in the MSD. Anyone?

 

[murphster]

Pffft.

Spend a top 50 pick on a guy named Gryan?

'Sif, mate

Ah Ferris you cunny funt.

 

[bigm386]

I have no issues with our performance early in the draft. SOS and co seem to pick the right players.

But I really think we need to change our late national draft and rookie draft strategy. We have a habit of taking long term project players eg Cotterell and Finbar. Not saying either will not be good players in the long run. But I feel like we have a list of more like 35 to pick from every season with a handful of players nowhere near AFL ready.

I'd like us to use our late/rookie picks on players who can walk in and fill a spot in the 22 if required.

 

[skadoosh]

As is my way, I posted most of my thoughts earlier in post #1054. Will reiterate some here and add a couple more thoughts. Will be lengthy.

Pre injury, I rated Kemp (along with Rowell) as the best prospect in the up coming draft. So much to like size, pace, skills and the ability to play virtually anywhere. Just projects as the epitome of the modern day footballer. Where his ACL leaves him in rankings will be a club by club thing. Would have no objection if we take the gamble and make him a Blue if he slides.

What we need most to add to our already spectacular group of youngsters is pace, skill and precision by foot. The epitome of this in the top end of the draft is undoubtedly Dylan Stephens. Currently slightly built, but performed admirably at SANFL level against mature bodies regardless. Surely has to be high on our wish list. Oh, and a Blues supporter FWIW. Two way runner, would immediately join Windows' "Oxygen brothers".

I have Kysaiah "Kossie" Pickett on my wish list. The diminutive forward has all of the attributes one looks for in a small forward. Speed, athleticism, skill and anticipation, yet he has a hard edge and want to adopt the team first approach. While doubting the chance of him reaching us with our current picks, I would support some imaginative pick swapping to get him to Ikon Park. I tend to not buy into the hype too readily attached to some indigenous youngsters with a bit of flair, but this kid stands up to any scrutiny in my book. Similarly the more highly rated Liam Henry, who is as much mid as forward, but is unfortunately tied to the Freo NGA, and won't be passed up.

Should we not have access to Stephens or Kemp, I see Deven Robertson as a failsafe high end midfielder. The Larke medallist at the U18 championship broke Walshy's disposal records, so gets plenty of it, particularly inside. A tackling machine, with the only knock being average disposal by foot. Plenty of highly effective inside mids have sub par disposal. I simply rate him a better prospect than other possible sliders like Ash and even possibly Sarong. For the record, I see Flanders as a very promising forward, just doesn't do it for me as a midfielder and accordingly don't rate him as highly as others.

It would seem that Luke Jackson is going to command some interest in the top 10. A star ruck at the lower level, perhaps marginally undersized, although already taller than Mumford and Ryder. Would not be distraught if we were to pick him, however I like DeKoning and we are said to have plenty of faith in his trajectory. Pittonet also promising and alleviates any urgent need to reach for a ruck at the top end, regardless of how well he projects. (I still believe we will have Henry Walsh on the radar next year, who will be slow burn), fitting better in to our list progression than an athlete deemed to be almost ready to go.

Your post asked for my personal likes, so I will continue from here with them......

Cooper Stephens is my big watch. First came to my attention as an underager, when someone mentioned that our recruiters were watching him closely. At that time didn't have the faintest who he was, so went looking and have watched since. The profiles will tell you he has a big body and plays inside, with good leadership and a penetrating kick. Broken leg early in the season, with no playing time late, but tested brilliantly at the combine. Is his natural athleticism and endurance at a high level, or does he want it that much to build up after a long term injury, or of course both.

Similarly Sam Philp came to my attention through the season. Overlooked for the Metro team, but just kept racking them up through the year, with the bulk of his possession at the coal face, doing the grunt work. Good size, and again tested brilliantly at the combine, particularly in the area of speed. Great attribute for an inside player, suggesting to me, plenty of scope to become an effective hybrid inside/outside type. Could be a reach and go in the second round or drift further on his current profile. Shapes as a great value pick.

Late first found is the likely spot for Trent Rivers, but I have a big watch on him. Just showed so much scope, inside, outside, skillful, aggressive, can play virtually anywhere other than KPP/ruck, and even then may be effective as an undersized 3rd tall type. Perhaps vies for the title of the player with the greatest "hidden" ceiling. Can see why Arrow is so keen.

My watch list has Elijah Taylor, x factor medium forward from the west and Tom's "little" brother Sam De Koning who will ultimately be a valuable asset on an AFL list in a few years. Still growing like his brother, so likely to reach 204cm(ish) so very tall KPD who could project to be a ruck down the track.. Brock Smith just projects as the consummate professional defender. Still slight, but at 188cm likely to play that jack of all trades defender. Lock down and some quality rebounding. Good value if he makes it to our current third pick. Darcy Casar small/medium utility, back forward and midfield credentials through his junior career, projects as a defender first to me. Flynn Perez missed the season with a dreaded ACL, but was projected as a high pick as a quality medium defender and may be worth a gamble. I have a little watch on Hugo Ralph-Smith as an athletic outside type as well.

Clearly small forward is a position of need, so I will highlight Jack Mahony as a small midfielder/forward with good numbers and great disposal. A couple of reports have him in the same discussion as Cody Weightman for class and potential. Under the radar, may be a great get if the preferred targets are unavailable with our second and third picks. (I am "concerned" that Sam Gray remains unsigned, personally a bit reluctant to pick up such a mature DFA on top of Eddie, draft please SOS). The last value small forward I will mention is Josh D'Intinasante. Despite consecutive B&F awards as a mid in his underage year and more time forward last season, he is largely unheralded. Just a genuine footballer seemingly devoid of wow factor, but gets the job done. Again if we miss out higher, I would advocate using a late pick.

Like my previous post, I would suggest Sam Fisher and Frank Anderson would not be out of place on our list, but are likely to be overlooked with our plethora of young talent suggesting no real need for mature depth midfield types. Again Kye Quirk, grandson of Carlton "legend" Bryan is my late/rookie "bolter". Played a handful of Northern Blues games last season, and to me immediately outplayed the likes of senior listed Schumacher and Cottrell (who I like). Hard at it mix of athleticism and skills, with an historic connection. That last rookie spot looks bloody attractive for him.

It would not be a popular opinion as most posters want to trade for mature players, but I would happily trade our 2020 first out for two picks in the 20-30 range in this draft. There is enough on offer in that range to grab two quality players, with Pickett IMO offering a great possibility as our frontline small forward for a decade or more. I firmly believe we have enough front line talent going forward, and would have greater concern with filling gaps than adding perceived elite trades.

Lengthy post, but time on my hands and answering a request. Those looking for content will read, the more casual posters may not.

Don't post often these days. But adding my appreciation for your effort. Love this sort of post.

 

[ferrisb]

Don't post often these days. But adding my appreciation for your effort. Love this sort of post.

I post too often these days, but still love Coona Blues' post!

 

[skadoosh]

I post too often these days, but still love Coona Blues' post!

Yin and Yang. We balance the universe

 

[RoyalParade]

Pffft.

Spend a top 50 pick on a guy named Gryan?

'Sif, mate

We could get the 2019 version - ned Cahill- with a late pick this year

 

[JuddgementDay]

Just had a quick look https://www.theroar.com.au/afl/afl-phantom-draft/
...
I would love to have 15 & 20 rather than 9; we'll get two decent players from these two picks

 

[The Bighouse]

Pre injury, I rated Kemp (along with Rowell) as the best prospect in the up coming draft. So much to like size, pace, skills and the ability to play virtually anywhere. Just projects as the epitome of the modern day footballer. Where his ACL leaves him in rankings will be a club by club thing. Would have no objection if we take the gamble and make him a Blue if he slides.

What we need most to add to our already spectacular group of youngsters is pace, skill and precision by foot. The epitome of this in the top end of the draft is undoubtedly Dylan Stephens. Currently slightly built, but performed admirably at SANFL level against mature bodies regardless. Surely has to be high on our wish list. Oh, and a Blues supporter FWIW. Two way runner, would immediately join Windows' "Oxygen brothers".

I have Kysaiah "Kossie" Pickett on my wish list. The diminutive forward has all of the attributes one looks for in a small forward. Speed, athleticism, skill and anticipation, yet he has a hard edge and want to adopt the team first approach. While doubting the chance of him reaching us with our current picks, I would support some imaginative pick swapping to get him to Ikon Park. I tend to not buy into the hype too readily attached to some indigenous youngsters with a bit of flair, but this kid stands up to any scrutiny in my book. Similarly the more highly rated Liam Henry, who is as much mid as forward, but is unfortunately tied to the Freo NGA, and won't be passed up.

Should we not have access to Stephens or Kemp, I see Deven Robertson as a failsafe high end midfielder. The Larke medallist at the U18 championship broke Walshy's disposal records, so gets plenty of it, particularly inside. A tackling machine, with the only knock being average disposal by foot. Plenty of highly effective inside mids have sub par disposal. I simply rate him a better prospect than other possible sliders like Ash and even possibly Sarong. For the record, I see Flanders as a very promising forward, just doesn't do it for me as a midfielder and accordingly don't rate him as highly as others.

It would seem that Luke Jackson is going to command some interest in the top 10. A star ruck at the lower level, perhaps marginally undersized, although already taller than Mumford and Ryder. Would not be distraught if we were to pick him, however I like DeKoning and we are said to have plenty of faith in his trajectory. Pittonet also promising and alleviates any urgent need to reach for a ruck at the top end, regardless of how well he projects. (I still believe we will have Henry Walsh on the radar next year, who will be slow burn), fitting better in to our list progression than an athlete deemed to be almost ready to go.

Your post asked for my personal likes, so I will continue from here with them......

Cooper Stephens is my big watch. First came to my attention as an underager, when someone mentioned that our recruiters were watching him closely. At that time didn't have the faintest who he was, so went looking and have watched since. The profiles will tell you he has a big body and plays inside, with good leadership and a penetrating kick. Broken leg early in the season, with no playing time late, but tested brilliantly at the combine. Is his natural athleticism and endurance at a high level, or does he want it that much to build up after a long term injury, or of course both.

Similarly Sam Philp came to my attention through the season. Overlooked for the Metro team, but just kept racking them up through the year, with the bulk of his possession at the coal face, doing the grunt work. Good size, and again tested brilliantly at the combine, particularly in the area of speed. Great attribute for an inside player, suggesting to me, plenty of scope to become an effective hybrid inside/outside type. Could be a reach and go in the second round or drift further on his current profile. Shapes as a great value pick.

Late first found is the likely spot for Trent Rivers, but I have a big watch on him. Just showed so much scope, inside, outside, skillful, aggressive, can play virtually anywhere other than KPP/ruck, and even then may be effective as an undersized 3rd tall type. Perhaps vies for the title of the player with the greatest "hidden" ceiling. Can see why Arrow is so keen.

My watch list has Elijah Taylor, x factor medium forward from the west and Tom's "little" brother Sam De Koning who will ultimately be a valuable asset on an AFL list in a few years. Still growing like his brother, so likely to reach 204cm(ish) so very tall KPD who could project to be a ruck down the track.. Brock Smith just projects as the consummate professional defender. Still slight, but at 188cm likely to play that jack of all trades defender. Lock down and some quality rebounding. Good value if he makes it to our current third pick. Darcy Casar small/medium utility, back forward and midfield credentials through his junior career, projects as a defender first to me. Flynn Perez missed the season with a dreaded ACL, but was projected as a high pick as a quality medium defender and may be worth a gamble. I have a little watch on Hugo Ralph-Smith as an athletic outside type as well.

Clearly small forward is a position of need, so I will highlight Jack Mahony as a small midfielder/forward with good numbers and great disposal. A couple of reports have him in the same discussion as Cody Weightman for class and potential. Under the radar, may be a great get if the preferred targets are unavailable with our second and third picks. (I am "concerned" that Sam Gray remains unsigned, personally a bit reluctant to pick up such a mature DFA on top of Eddie, draft please SOS). The last value small forward I will mention is Josh D'Intinasante. Despite consecutive B&F awards as a mid in his underage year and more time forward last season, he is largely unheralded. Just a genuine footballer seemingly devoid of wow factor, but gets the job done. Again if we miss out higher, I would advocate using a late pick.

Like my previous post, I would suggest Sam Fisher and Frank Anderson would not be out of place on our list, but are likely to be overlooked with our plethora of young talent suggesting no real need for mature depth midfield types. Again Kye Quirk, grandson of Carlton "legend" Bryan is my late/rookie "bolter". Played a handful of Northern Blues games last season, and to me immediately outplayed the likes of senior listed Schumacher and Cottrell (who I like). Hard at it mix of athleticism and skills, with an historic connection. That last rookie spot looks bloody attractive for him.

It would not be a popular opinion as most posters want to trade for mature players, but I would happily trade our 2020 first out for two picks in the 20-30 range in this draft. There is enough on offer in that range to grab two quality players, with Pickett IMO offering a great possibility as our frontline small forward for a decade or more. I firmly believe we have enough front line talent going forward, and would have greater concern with filling gaps than adding perceived elite trades.

Lengthy post, but time on my hands and answering a request. Those looking for content will read, the more casual posters may not.

Great effort on the ^^^
You may have been through this somewhere else but what’s your thoughts on D. Williams?
Also, would there be enough quality around to swing our 2020 1st for BL’s #16 & 21 along with #9 for GC’s #15 & 20?
Kemp or Jackson if real sliders?
Or D.Williams, C.Stephens, SDK, K.Pickett (or another rated small forward) with Brock Smith @ #43?
Fair haul of forwards, mid, defenders but development paths to be tread.

 

[ABigOlDoofus]

Great effort on the ^^^
You may have been through this somewhere else but what’s your thoughts on D. Williams?
Also, would there be enough quality around to swing our 2020 1st for BL’s #16 & 21 along with #9 for GC’s #15 & 20?
Kemp or Jackson if real sliders?
Or D.Williams, C.Stephens, SDK, K.Pickett (or another rated small forward) with Brock Smith @ #43?
Fair haul of forwards, mid, defenders but development paths to be tread.

I personally wouldn't be willing to do both of those trades, since it basically robs us of any currency to bring in an established gun next year, which is still plan A obviously.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

I personally wouldn't be willing to do both of those trades, since it basically robs us of any currency to bring in an established gun next year, which is still plan A obviously.

Our 2021 picks say Hello

 

[Coona Blues]

Great effort on the ^^^
You may have been through this somewhere else but what’s your thoughts on D. Williams?
Also, would there be enough quality around to swing our 2020 1st for BL’s #16 & 21 along with #9 for GC’s #15 & 20?
Kemp or Jackson if real sliders?
Or D.Williams, C.Stephens, SDK, K.Pickett (or another rated small forward) with Brock Smith @ #43?
Fair haul of forwards, mid, defenders but development paths to be tread.

I am a keen observer with decent knowledge of the kids, by no means a draft expert in the true sense of the term. While I watch more footage than most, I rely more on regular reading of match reports across the season from AFL Draft Central, SANFL and WAFL match reports and stats, as well as random articles and the opinions and info tid bits of draft watchers and casual observers on BF D&T boards and the like.

I must admit to largely overlooking Williams. A "weapon" offensively, but underwhelming defensively. The only player with defensive questions I wanted during this off season was Eddie Betts, who brings so very much to the table, albeit for a short period on field. Two way running and good to great disposal are my biggest prerequisites when producing a wish list.

As said earlier, I would love one or two extra picks around the late first to middle second range, however would also love to keep 9 and have Stephens slide. Our recruiting team need to be seen to exhaust all avenues to improve the list, so will again target mature players next year. Personally, I would run with our developing players and fill perceived gaps through the draft rather than the trade for needs, given where we are at. Too much top end talent will soon create huge salary cap pressure. This year was the window for big ticket trades, some of our contracts are going to impact soon enough. I am assuming we had scope for heavy front ending this year and next, and have missed out this season. We may have the wherewithal to chase a big fish through free agency next year, but with the possible exception of revisiting Papley, I do not like the idea of expensive trades.

I do support the recruiting team limiting us to the chase of prime targets of Coniglio, Papley and Martin. I applaud them for not reverting to second and third tier targets or players requiring massive trade collateral such as Hill or Wines. Eddie and Pittonet were great additions for not much outlay and Newnes is a very handy player who will improve the list and competition for the best 22.

My somewhat improbable wish list would include a combination of Dylan Stephens, Cooper Stephens and Kysaiah Pickett. All would not be possible without trading out next year's first, so would most likely be an either/or situation depending if we keep or trade #9. I would bracket Smith, Mahony, Perez and Casar for our (3rd)4th pick hoping one slides that far. If our picks stay as is, D'Intinosante maybe for that last selection. Our rookie spot I see for Kye Quirk.

 

[Blue__Balls]

I have no issues with our performance early in the draft. SOS and co seem to pick the right players.

But I really think we need to change our late national draft and rookie draft strategy. We have a habit of taking long term project players eg Cotterell and Finbar. Not saying either will not be good players in the long run. But I feel like we have a list of more like 35 to pick from every season with a handful of players nowhere near AFL ready.

I'd like us to use our late/rookie picks on players who can walk in and fill a spot in the 22 if required.

Think you'll find every AFL club has 5-10 "project" or "developing" players who are nowhere near AFL ready. That's how development and list management works. Small core of players you never want to lose if you can help it, supported by a big group of solid role players who are expendable if necessary, with a small number of developing youngsters who may or may not progress to one of the other groups.

 

[bigm386]

Think you'll find every AFL club has 5-10 "project" or "developing" players who are nowhere near AFL ready. That's how development and list management works. Small core of players you never want to lose if you can help it, supported by a big group of solid role players who are expendable if necessary, with a small number of developing youngsters who may or may not progress to one of the other groups.

The difference for me is when we have had a gap of players 24-28 and a list of your bodies. Adding more projects is not smart.

 

[Blue__Balls]

The difference for me is when we have had a gap of players 24-28 and a list of your bodies. Adding more projects is not smart.

I don't think we're overdoing it in that department though.

TDK, BSOS, Macreadie as project talls.
Finbar, Cottrell as athletic projects.
Owies as a Cat B free hit.
Polson got lucky with his last extension.

Besides that lot, I think everyone else on the list as AFL-capable, even if they're not fully developed. And among this lot are a few who are probably not far off getting a run.

So if one or two of this group make the grade, and we cycle one or two others off the list next year, it's not unreasonable to expect the club to draft another one, perhaps two, to keep the cycle going. That's how the late picks work - bring someone in, give them a year or two to show some development, if they do they buy some more time and opportunity, and if they don't they make way for another outside chance.

 

[LemmingMaster]

I don't think we're overdoing it in that department though.

Finbar, Cottrell as athletic projects.

Sometimes I feel like clubs over think late round picks when a gift horse is looking at you. Worpel was an example for me, the kid was not a superstar but was a very solid player in his junior years and everyone is taking these project players while Hawks get a good solid player.

There are always these players that drift down the draft order and often I feel like the Cats always select these players and get a solid output from these options. Charlie Constable was another example.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Sometimes I feel like clubs over think late round picks when a gift horse is looking at you. Worpel was an example for me, the kid was not a superstar but was a very solid player in his junior years and everyone is taking these project players while Hawks get a good solid player.

There are always these players that drift down the draft order and often I feel like the Cats always select these players and get a solid output from these options. Charlie Constable was another example.

Constable - drafted at 36
Worpel - drafted at 45


O'Dwyer - drafted at 66
Cottrell - taken in the preseason SSP

Let's not compare these players, eh?