News Carlton's list is fine: Malthouse

[Sunshine Saint]

Ignore the 'Lost' keyboard warrior above Sunshine Saint (not a respected judge: I can find you a post where he did not know Hawthorn were successful in the 80's!) - with the likelihood of the top teams improving their lists we are both going to need plenty of luck

Thanks for that. One of the great things about BF is the wide diversity of knowledge and opinions. I think we all may need some luck in 2013.

 

[Sharks On A Plane]

This is what happens when Tom Bell mad.

 

[Dramoth]

This is what happens when Tom Bell mad.

I think that he may have put his foot down

 

[zeeCFC]

Had a look the other day at Patty Mac's game against the Saints. Actually played with a bit of mongrel and continued to show the positive free movement and good running that he did in the VFL. that touch of mongrel in his debut is what surprised me though, loved it!

He has a massive frame on him, huge shoulders and already has biggish arms, just needs to work on that core strength and I get the feeling we'll have something special on our hands. Very similar to Ben Reid.

 

[Silvagnis]

Had a look the other day at Patty Mac's game against the Saints. Actually played with a bit of mongrel and continued to show the positive free movement and good running that he did in the VFL. that touch of mongrel in his debut is what surprised me though, loved it!

He has a massive frame on him, huge shoulders and already has biggish arms, just needs to work on that core strength and I get the feeling we'll have something special on our hands. Very similar to Ben Reid.

Interesting that Rogers said we had three untried young players in the VFL who were leaders and extroverts. Two debuted against St Kilda.

I see a Sam Reid or Jarrad Waite style player if he's played forward. Paddy moves well for a big fella and has good hands.



Moves a little like Waite as he ran past for that receive from Buckley. Clean hands below his knees and good effort to squeeze in a goal from right on the goal line. Roved Mitchell's marking contest and shrugged off a tackler to goal. Pretty agile for a man who is a good three centimetres taller than Austin, Bower, Waite and Jamison.

 

[Moody Blue]

With all respect Carltons drafting stance has me more than puzzled. Throughout this year you were hit by injuries and the call from Carlton supporters, was that yes, the injury list was long, but that the club struggled for depth in replacing injured players.

We saw this year, both Collingwood and West Coast, also with long injury lists, that they were able to cover throughout the season and to play finals.

You have players that you don't necessarily want, that still have currency and can be traded for other players, or if you prefer, upgraded draft picks. But you choose to do neither.

Collingwood is running around, chasing any good player with a pulse, in order to try and build further depth to their list, trading players and giving themselves far, far better draft picks. Swans are trying to add a marque forward, Hawthorn recruiting for perceived gaps and yet Carlton are happy to sit on the sidelines.

It will be interesting to see if this approach pays dividends, or the cries of lack of depth ring out again next year from Carlton.

Go back and watch your only Grand Final win which i might add is still in Black and White! Worry about your own list and dysfunctional club and leave us to do what we have to do. Says a lot that you let Goddard leave to Essendon. You worry about who is going to replace Hayes and Riewoldt.

 

[BlueDW]

Go back and watch your only Grand Final win which i might add is still in Black and White! Worry about your own list and dysfunctional club and leave us to do what we have to do. Says a lot that you let Goddard leave to Essendon. You worry about who is going to replace Hayes and Riewoldt.

At least the Saints have been in a position to win grand finals lately, same couldnt be said for our club. Pathetic post.

I think his questions have merit, but hey, opinions other than the general concensus arent allowed on the Carlton board are they??? Particularly if they fly in the face of the thought that "Carltons list is fine"!!!

 

[KissStephanie]

So... for all you guys whinging that we arent being very active in the free agency market... thats because the coach appears to be more than happy with our list as it stands.

That's good for the Blues but in March on Sports Today, Malthouse said Carlton aren't good enough to make the top-4. He was then proven right when they finished tenth. Nothing has been added since but now in October he says the list is fine. That doesn't make sense.

 

[Jeremias]

KissStephanie is back?

Oh god.

 

[Blue since 72]

That's good for the Blues but in March on Sports Today, Malthouse said Carlton aren't good enough to make the top-4. He was then proven right when they finished tenth. Nothing has been added since but now in October he says the list is fine. That doesn't make sense.

That comment was only applicable until he became the coach.

 

[Sector 7G]

That's good for the Blues but in March on Sports Today, Malthouse said Carlton aren't good enough to make the top-4. He was then proven right when they finished tenth. Nothing has been added since but now in October he says the list is fine. That doesn't make sense.

He also said Sydney weren't a top 2 side.

 

[blueboy25]

He also said Sydney weren't a top 2 side.

and adelaide didn't deserve to be top 4

 

[mediumsizered]

That's good for the Blues but in March on Sports Today, Malthouse said Carlton aren't good enough to make the top-4. He was then proven right when they finished tenth. Nothing has been added since but now in October he says the list is fine. That doesn't make sense.

Malthouse never said the list was fine. He said he was happy with how the list was placed going into 2013. It may seem like semantics, but being happy with the list is a lot different to saying the list is fine.

 

[Blue Flame]

Malthouse never said the list was fine. He said he was happy with how the list was placed going into 2013. It may seem like semantics, but being happy with the list is a lot different to saying the list is fine.

It does seem like semantics, because it is.
And I like it.

 

[Dramoth]

That's good for the Blues but in March on Sports Today, Malthouse said Carlton aren't good enough to make the top-4. He was then proven right when they finished tenth. Nothing has been added since but now in October he says the list is fine. That doesn't make sense.

Didnt our side thrash you in the first game with a full strength side... and then back it up in the second game when we were devastated by injury by once again thumping your side?

We are basically the same side that missed out on a prelim final by a couple of points?

The same side that finished 5th last year... and should be good enough to climb back up into serious finals contention again next season.

But hey... why ever let things like 11/22 or half of our best starting 22 out injured at various points of the year and all of them being out for 1 game stand in the way of your puerile attempt at having a shot at Carlton.

 

[Navy Cream]

Didnt our side thrash you in the first game with a full strength side... and then back it up in the second game when we were devastated by injury by once again thumping your side?

We are basically the same side that missed out on a prelim final by a couple of points?

The same side that finished 5th last year... and should be good enough to climb back up into serious finals contention again next season.

But hey... why ever let things like 11/22 or half of our best starting 22 out injured at various points of the year and all of them being out for 1 game stand in the way of your puerile attempt at having a shot at Carlton.

SNAP!!!!! Go Dramoth go!!! Love ur work!!!

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Let me just throw this out there,

at the moment Carlton Football Club has no coach, and we don't have one for another 12 days.

Our incumbent coach however is phoning his responses in, during the biggest clearance rule change since the 10 year rule in 1973.

MM your silence is deafening.

 

[KnobHead]

That's pretty accurate after a few hits from the special herbs

 

[AndyLucimitis]

Out of all the players who have been traded, who would we really, really have wanted or made that much difference to our list:

- Goddard and Tippett - definitely yes but cost way too much !

- Rivers -reckon he would have been a nice pickup as a free agent - not sure what he cost in wages but would have strengthened our wobbly backline depth.

I reckon for the rest of the traded players that we are all crying over - really , would they have made much difference to what we already have ?

- Chaplin - 4 years and a dodgy knee

- Dawes - may have been Ok but at $500K a year ?

- McIntosh, Wellingham, Knights, Maloney ???

 

[esc0bar]

Out of all the players who have been traded, who would we really, really have wanted or made that much difference to our list:

- Goddard and Tippett - definitely yes but cost way too much !

- Rivers -reckon he would have been a nice pickup as a free agent - not sure what he cost in wages but would have strengthened our wobbly backline depth.

I reckon for the rest of the traded players that we are all crying over - really , would they have made much difference to what we already have ?

- Chaplin - 4 years and a dodgy knee

- Dawes - may have been Ok but at $500K a year ?

- McIntosh, Wellingham, Knights, Maloney ???

I understand what you are saying but usually if a club wants to fill a gap they will go out and fill that void by speaking to players and trying to entice them to the club... You guys needed a KPF and i feel Dawes or Lynch would have been good pick ups and they would have come cheap. Not sure why you didnt chase them tbh. Anyway i personally think that the coach needs a year to assess the list. Malthouse is not familar with any of the players work ethics, personalities and internal weaknesses. He is a smart coach. He will spend a year or two assessing your list and working a gameplan to suit it. Expect more boundary line coaching and a somewhat boring gamestyle. While it may be boring it will win you games. Look forward to following you guys next season!

 

[KissStephanie]

Didnt our side thrash you in the first game with a full strength side... and then back it up in the second game when we were devastated by injury by once again thumping your side?

Yep, and Carlton were very good in those two games as Richmond were when they thrashed both Hawthorn and Sydney. Teams have to be switched on all the time otherwise they will get beaten by teams that only ocassionally do it.

We are basically the same side that missed out on a prelim final by a couple of points? The same side that finished 5th last year... and should be good enough to climb back up into serious finals contention again next season.

Most footy club insiders though claim that a team must improve just to maintain their position, yet you're talking about Carlton from two years ago.

But hey... why ever let things like 11/22 or half of our best starting 22 out injured at various points of the year and all of them being out for 1 game stand in the way of your puerile attempt at having a shot at Carlton.

I wasn't having a shot at Carlton. I was commenting on something Malthouse said back in March. When Carlton were at full strength, he didn't think they were capable of top-4. He was then proven correct.

Of course injuries effected Carlton and they will be better with those players in the team more often, but depth is important in gauging the health of a list. Collingwood had a tougher fixture this year, five long term injuries, many shorter term as well, and played more first year players, yet won 16 home and away matches.

Malthouse has probably reevaluated the list as the new coach, but his flip from the comments he made in March still doesn't make sense to me. I was expecting Carlton to be heavily involved in trading and free agency so I was surprised to hear him say that he's happy with the list.

I then remembered a comment from him on Grand Final day when Matthew Lloyd said that Quentin Lynch would be perfect for Carlton. Malthouse's response was they couldn't afford him and he will go to Collingwood or Melbourne. That shocked me because Lynch isn't being paid too much. So, is Malthouse really happy with the list, or is it just that Carlton can't afford to get involved. If so, then where is all the money going???

It seems possible that Malthouse stating that he's happy with the list may in reality be that they just couldnt afford to be active over the past couple of weeks. I hope for Carlton's sake that Malthouse really is happy with the list because there would be nothing worse than having a coach who has some reservations as his comments in March suggested.

 

[Dramoth]

Yep, and Carlton were very good in those two games as Richmond were when they thrashed both Hawthorn and Sydney. Teams have to be switched on all the time otherwise they will get beaten by teams that only ocassionally do it.Most footy club insiders though claim that a team must improve just to maintain their position, yet you're talking about Carlton from two years ago.I wasn't having a shot at Carlton. I was commenting on something Malthouse said back in March. When Carlton were at full strength, he didn't think they were capable of top-4. He was then proven correct.

Of course injuries effected Carlton and they will be better with those players in the team more often, but depth is important in gauging the health of a list. Collingwood had a tougher fixture this year, five long term injuries, many shorter term as well, and played more first year players, yet won 16 home and away matches.

Malthouse has probably reevaluated the list as the new coach, but his flip from the comments he made in March still doesn't make sense to me. I was expecting Carlton to be heavily involved in trading and free agency so I was surprised to hear him say that he's happy with the list.

I then remembered a comment from him on Grand Final day when Matthew Lloyd said that Quentin Lynch would be perfect for Carlton. Malthouse's response was they couldn't afford him and he will go to Collingwood or Melbourne. That shocked me because Lynch isn't being paid too much. So, is Malthouse really happy with the list, or is it just that Carlton can't afford to get involved. If so, then where is all the money going???

It seems possible that Malthouse stating that he's happy with the list may in reality be that they just couldnt afford to be active over the past couple of weeks. I hope for Carlton's sake that Malthouse really is happy with the list because there would be nothing worse than having a coach who has some reservations as his comments in March suggested.

Back in March, MM was making media noise to placate the non-Carlton people... you know everyone else out there. Also March was before the start of the season and he was looking at the pre-season injury list that was affecting us already. Mick hadnt been paying much attention to the rest of the list really.

We could afford it, we cleared the money for Cloke, but we only made a half-hearted attempt at trying to get him to the club. What we are hamstrung by is the few bottom of the list players that were handed 2 year contracts last year that we would have been moving on this year. We had a couple of revelations when the injury toll mounted by the time we got to Footscray last season when we had to play rookies and first year players in that match.

We used a grand total of 41 players last season... how many did Collingwood use?

I think that we would have liked to have been more involved with free agency and the trading period, but when other clubs started throwing 4 year contracts and paying over the top salaries for players who were not worth that, I think that we decided to sit it out.

Lynch, would have been a good second tall/Waite backup if we could have gotten him on a cheap 2 year contract. But you guys probably paid well over the top for him but he was still a cheaper more reliable option than Dawes who made FIGJAM piss himself when he dropped that regulation chest mark.

Also, it isnt 2 years ago when we missed out on the prelim... it's just over 12 months in fact.

 

[btemplar88]

Rattens list is fine:Malthouse

 

[goreds]

Let me just throw this out there,

at the moment Carlton Football Club has no coach, and we don't have one for another 12 days.

Our incumbent coach however is phoning his responses in, during the biggest clearance rule change since the 10 year rule in 1973.

MM your silence is deafening.

I for one love the Mick is no where to be seen nor heard at the moment and that we didn't do trades for trades sake...

Trust me when I say, Mick will be front and square from the 1st of November and everyone has a fresh chance to prove themselves. As I said earlier, the que has been in the rack since the Cloke decision and nothing really was on the table after that.

The only player that would have improved our 'best 22' was Goddard but not for $700k, the rest are list cloggers...

 

[818295]

Despite what the players have done in the past Mick is going to sort out who's gonna play his way or hit the highway. This fresh chance will suit some players ( probably most initially who will want to do the right thing) and not others. He's giving everyone a chance to prove themselves. Next year he'll get busy.