Review Cats squash Giants by 53

[CatToTheFuture]

Preuss had a very good game, was dominant in the centre square. The Giants were not able to capitalise fortunately. Was won in the coaches box

I don't agree that preuss had a very good game. He got hands to taps but they didn't have much effect

 

[Gunf]

Is that the pick they turned into McKay?

Not sure what they did with the pick as i don't care that much about them. Was more stating it for the fact people keep posting things that are wrong like the fact we gave away a first rounder and that was the trade when it wasn't it was a pick swap which ended up being incredibly good for Geelong.

 

[Gunf]

Preuss had a very good game, was dominant in the centre square. The Giants were not able to capitalise fortunately. Was won in the coaches box

Pruess was really good in the first quarter and a half but eventually Blics just ran him down. Yes Preuss won Hit Outs but did he or GWS take advantage of that nope they got demolished and a lot of that was Blics work running off them and making them look like lazy asses.

 

[Seeds]

Absolutely. I kept waiting for the part where Blitz would run out of energy and start being ineffective but he just made preuss look even worse as the game wore on. Blitz was great at ground level and gws were a player down through the middle with Blitz turning their Ruck into a liability

Preuss beat him in the ruck. What game were you watching.

blicavs did well around the ground in general play. Ruckman dont play on each other around the ground.

 

[Seeds]

Pruess was really good in the first quarter and a half but eventually Blics just ran him down. Yes Preuss won Hit Outs but did he or GWS take advantage of that nope they got demolished and a lot of that was Blics work running of them and making them look like lazy asses.

Yes they did take advantage of preuss hit outs because they won the clearances. It was the only area of the game they won. Hitouts and clearances.

 

[CHAWKTS]

The guy that's been really impressing me lately is Brad Close, fast, clever, willing tackler, and can contest overhead for his size.
Not much I don't like about him in the forward structure!

What do you think about possibility over time of Close becoming a midfield option? Seems to me like he could be a good link player with those characteristics you outline? Robbing forward line but seems like he could be additive to midfield over time?

 

[Seeds]

While I agree we shouldn't have brought in Higgins, that "We were done" argument is complete BS.

We had just played off in a Grand Final against a side in the midst of a dynasty and had lead at half time. No one saw Melbourne coming, and the Lions and Port where (and still are) considered home and away specialists who couldn't get it done in finals.

The Cats during the 2020 off season were clearly of the belief that Richmond was all that stood in the way of a premiership, and that with a few changes in personell and the Tigers hunger relenting, that we'd be a better side than they would be in 2021 and a premiership would await.

They were proven correct....they just didn't see Melbourne coming. They were hardly alone in that. Even the most optimistic Dees supporters would have had them finishing in the 4th-6th range in 2021 after what they'd seen in 2019 and 2020.

not only were we done in 2021 were done in 2019. 2020 was a complete abberation due to shorter matches, less games and constant travel. All 3 of which benefit teams with mature players. Plus we had an awful lot of luck with injuries that season to boot.

it wasnt just melbourne that beat us at the end of last year. We werent even close to port and port was thumped by the doggies. We were slow and not up to the pace all finals series. The only reason we didnt straight sets is we lucked out playing gws who had a third of their team missing. But we looked awful in that game too.

 

[Gunf]

Yes they did take advantage of preuss hit outs because they won the clearances. It was the only area of the game they won. Hitouts and clearances.

2 types of Clearances in AFL pointless and clean how many of GWS clearances were of the clean type? The score and my eyes suggest not many at all.

A hit out to an opponent or to a contest is not effective and shouldn't count the only hit outs that should count are hit outs to advantage which are unfortunately harder to find stats for.

A clearances that land in the oppositions lap is pointless and shouldn't count.
A clearances that goes to a 50/50 contest is acceptable but in most cases in our game VS GWS those 50/50 went our way making those pointless clearances as well.

Edit: technically 3 types of clearances. Clean, pointless, and 50/50 either way my point stands.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Preuss beat him in the ruck. What game were you watching.

blicavs did well around the ground in general play. Ruckman dont play on each other around the ground.

The game where Blitz got 10 coaches votes and 8 clearances. Textbook game for hit outs being uncorrelated with wins.

After half time Preuss was a paperweight in a fully digital business. Able to do the thing he can do with no real outcomes.

 

[Kitcat]

The game where Blitz got 10 coaches votes and 8 clearances. Textbook game for hit outs being uncorrelated with wins.

After half time Preuss was a paperweight in a fully digital business. Able to do the thing he can do with no real outcomes.

Also, the effort Blics put in and the commitment to the hard ball must have been inspiring for the team and worth a few goals in itself.

 

[Heckler]

You say that Narkle gets labelled lazy for not chasing a faster opponent - sorry but that's laughable:

• Narkle isn't slow himself, as often shown when we're in an offensive position and we see the speed he has to offer in an attacking position
• Narkle gets labelled lazy for being selective when he applies himself during matches, and this was even called out by Brad Johnson during Saturday's clash with GWS. It's not something only noticed by "armchair experts", but by those who've had involvement with the club over a number of years & are now calling it out

Narkle's first half on Saturday was lazy & he was an easy omission at that stage; his second half was a much improved effort and may have bought him a second week in the seniors depending on player availablity, but if he is omitted there's no one to blamed but himself


I would also question the description of Narkle as a "gifted player which is rare and often frustrating" - yes he has a skill set that not all on our list have, but we need to remember that he dropped to pick 60 in his draft year, which would suggest that if he's such a "gifted player" there's still some underlying concerns which should be factored in with clubs deciding to repeatedly pass on him. The other thing to take into in regards to his draft position - from 35 players drafted at pick 60, they have played an average of 37 matches, and Narkle is currently on 32 matches - so he's actually tracking on average for what's expected when a player is taken at such time of the draft

We both agree Narkle has skill set not all players have; and it is under utilized
I believe every player wants to succeed and tries hard to do so.
You assume his failure to get involved in the game was due to being lazy
Ollie failed to get involved the entire game last week... Was he also lazy?
Can you provide a logical reason for any player to not want to perform well?
You, like many, want Narkle to run harder..... I want him to run smarter.
You, like many, assume he has a bad attitude... I believe he lacks experience and confidence.
You, like many, have given up on him... I believe he needs additional coaching and mentoring.

I'm sure everyone here wants Narkle to succeed and the comments made come from frustration.
It is how the comments are expressed that reveal who has the bad attitude.

 

[cats_09]

We both agree Narkle has skill set not all players have; and it is under utilized
I believe every player wants to succeed and tries hard to do so.
You assume his failure to get involved in the game was due to being lazy
Ollie failed to get involved the entire game last week... Was he also lazy?
Can you provide a logical reason for any player to not want to perform well?
You, like many, want Narkle to run harder..... I want him to run smarter.
You, like many, assume he has a bad attitude... I believe he lacks experience and confidence.
You, like many, have given up on him... I believe he needs additional coaching and mentoring.

I'm sure everyone here wants Narkle to succeed and the comments made come from frustration.
It is how the comments are expressed that reveal who has the bad attitude.

A nice unfounded assumption with that bolded mark - you may want to be careful when making such statements

I don't know anyone who doesn't want to see Narkle succeed & become that best 22 player we've seen glimpses of - but he's now into his sixth season on an AFL list, and his time will be running out if he doesn't turn things around soon. He has the skills to make it, but it's up to him if those things change or not



As for Dempsey - what sort of ****ing comparison is that? Are you serious comparing a kid taken in the rookie draft last year, one who's come from a non-football background who would have been the longest shot to even make his debut this year, and being quiet in his second senior match to that of a player who's been on the list for 6 years? If Dempsey is still have 3 disposal games when he's been on the list for 6 years, come back and ask this question again but for now it's a joke it was even raised

 

[iameviljez]

We both agree Narkle has skill set not all players have; and it is under utilized
I believe every player wants to succeed and tries hard to do so.
You assume his failure to get involved in the game was due to being lazy
Ollie failed to get involved the entire game last week... Was he also lazy?
Can you provide a logical reason for any player to not want to perform well?
You, like many, want Narkle to run harder..... I want him to run smarter.
You, like many, assume he has a bad attitude... I believe he lacks experience and confidence.
You, like many, have given up on him... I believe he needs additional coaching and mentoring.

I'm sure everyone here wants Narkle to succeed and the comments made come from frustration.
It is how the comments are expressed that reveal who has the bad attitude.

Chasing and tackling is a basic expectation of a player in his mid twenties.

 

[cats_09]

Is that the pick they turned into McKay?

Not wanting to turn this into a draft rehash, but the short answer is no

During the 2016 trade period, Carlton on-traded our 2017 first round pick to GWS:
Carlton out: pick 45 & 58, Geelong's 2017 first round pick
GWS out: Caleb Marchbank, Jarrod Pickett & 2017 second round pick (GWS)


Carlton then used that pick in another trade:
Carlton out: GWS 2017 second round pick
Hawthorn out: picks 48, 66 & 70

The players Carlton selected with those picks: Harrison Macreadie & Pat Kerr both delisted, and Tom Williams who's still on their list

 

[Finknottle]

Not only the team but also the system. The Richmond side of 2017-20 played a style that allowed footballers with minimal talent to have an influence on games with their pressure and tackling. As you say, in a bottom placed side where repeat inside 50 entries are minimal and there is less focus on role players, these footballers would be viewed as exactly what they are: Good, ordinary players.

We saw it ourselves at our club. Shannon Byrnes being a vintage example..but even a player like Ryan Gamble who looked like he had more ability than he actually did simply because he played in a superb side. The issue for these guys is unless they play in a first-class side or are given a very specific role (as we've seen with Ross Lyon coached teams over the journey) they fall out of the AFL system pretty quickly.

It's good seeing Shannon Byrnes and James Kelly back at the club.

 

[BORIS332]

I don't agree that preuss had a very good game. He got hands to taps but they didn't have much effect

I don't think the hit out to advantage stat is available anywhere, but he attended 45 ruck contests and won 31 of them - that's pretty good going. He also had two goal assists and six inside 50s. I think Blicavs was better, but Preuss was good.

 

[BORIS332]

What do you think about possibility over time of Close becoming a midfield option? Seems to me like he could be a good link player with those characteristics you outline? Robbing forward line but seems like he could be additive to midfield over time?

Probably ends up a Shane Edwards type. Predominantly high half forward, stints in the middle as an impact player.

 

[BORIS332]

We both agree Narkle has skill set not all players have; and it is under utilized
I believe every player wants to succeed and tries hard to do so.
You assume his failure to get involved in the game was due to being lazy
Ollie failed to get involved the entire game last week... Was he also lazy?
Can you provide a logical reason for any player to not want to perform well?
You, like many, want Narkle to run harder..... I want him to run smarter.
You, like many, assume he has a bad attitude... I believe he lacks experience and confidence.
You, like many, have given up on him... I believe he needs additional coaching and mentoring.

I'm sure everyone here wants Narkle to succeed and the comments made come from frustration.
It is how the comments are expressed that reveal who has the bad attitude.

I agree that I don't think it's laziness, I think his downfall is concentration. Sometimes he just switches off, like he did on the weekend when Brad Johnson gave him a little bake from the commentary box for just standing still and watching his opponent pick up disposals at will.

 

[catempire]

I don't think the hit out to advantage stat is available anywhere, but he attended 45 ruck contests and won 31 of them - that's pretty good going. He also had two goal assists and six inside 50s. I think Blicavs was better, but Preuss was good.

12 Hitouts to advantage. Blicavs 5 (of 21).

 

[Finknottle]

Chasing and tackling is a basic expectation of a player in his mid twenties.

Good point. I want Narkle to succeed because our midfield can benefit from his quick thinking and clean ball handling. Selwood, Parfitt and DF just aren't as clean.

 

[BORIS332]

12 Hitouts to advantage. Blicavs 5 (of 21).

So Preuss went at 39% (12/31) and Blicavs 24% (5/21). Blicavs attended 70 ruck contests for the day, only had five hit outs to advantage and we somehow only lost clearances by one.

 

[Seeds]

So Preuss went at 39% (12/31) and Blicavs 24% (5/21). Blicavs attended 70 ruck contests for the day, only had five hit outs to advantage and we somehow only lost clearances by one.

And somehow everyone thinks blicavs was best on ground even though he comfortably lost the ruck. The only area we lost.

 

[Gunf]

And somehow everyone thinks blicavs was best on ground even though he comfortably lost the ruck. The only area we lost.

He was easily best on ground coach's know it fans know it even the media knows it but i guess everyone is wrong but you.

 

[David the Cat]

What do you think about possibility over time of Close becoming a midfield option? Seems to me like he could be a good link player with those characteristics you outline? Robbing forward line but seems like he could be additive to midfield over time?

He's already there....if you watch him, he's all over the ground...playing a defensive role before launching into attack.

He's a special..

 

[catempire]

So Preuss went at 39% (12/31) and Blicavs 24% (5/21). Blicavs attended 70 ruck contests for the day, only had five hit outs to advantage and we somehow only lost clearances by one.

What made Blicavs’ game strong was his follow up from the ruck contests. He was involved in the clearances after contesting the ruck. It more than nullified Preuss’s first hands to the ball.